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14-year-old at the center of "NRA T-Shirt Controversy" now facing possibility of 1 year in jail

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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Well, I see your point and it's a very valid one too. Students don't have the right to just wear any old thing they want ...and NOT be questioned or challenged for it. They certainly don't have the right to wear politically inflammatory messaging if it does, in fact, inflame their classmates. Hence..the disruptive influence clause which was in place way back when I was in school too.

Where I have the problem isn't that the school took issue, although in general, they really DO need to get over the fact guns are an ingrained part of culture in this country ... It's that such a thing could ever become a police issue on any level. Suspension? Sure.. It happened back then as well as now and it should when kids break any of the known rules and then don't follow without a hassle....but criminal record?

It just seems arrest is the answer for everything beyond the slightest of verbal reprimands while the stigma of criminal records (which getting this far gave him, juvie hall or not at this point) are tacked on without a concern for how a kid has that to live with.




posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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S&F I see nothing wrong with wearing this T-shirt to school. The kid has every right to wear it to school.

I'm glad they're turning this into an "issue" to throw a spotlight on how the schools are promoting Anti-Gun
BRAINWASHING.

I can't believe the moronic school officials & police are turning this into a criminal matter and trying to turn a 14 year old into a criminal. There is nothing offensive about this T-shirt. Those "offended" have their left-wing agenda to destroy the NRA and our right to bear arms.

If something like this doesn't wake people up to just how far down the road we are to becoming a Police State, there is no hope for them.

The people who want this kid destroyed for wearing an NRA T-shirt are probably the same ones who think it's great the IRS targeted Tea-Party groups. Like that directive didn't come from the Obuma White House.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by WilsonWilson
reply to post by sidshady
 


I dont understand how wearing a t-shirt is a threat to anybodies safety?

Oh you silly silly freedom loving American. (
) Here... let me help with your re-education before your invitation to a camp for the purpose arrives like a notice from publishers clearinghouse.



This boy was clearly a wrench in the works of the great machine. That couldn't be tolerated. On any level.


Great find, Wrabbit. Believe it or not that's the first time I've seen that. Talk about naked political manipulation
Holder makes me want to hurl.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by abeverage
 


Well, I see your point and it's a very valid one too. Students don't have the right to just wear any old thing they want ...and NOT be questioned or challenged for it. They certainly don't have the right to wear politically inflammatory messaging if it does, in fact, inflame their classmates. Hence..the disruptive influence clause which was in place way back when I was in school too.

Where I have the problem isn't that the school took issue, although in general, they really DO need to get over the fact guns are an ingrained part of culture in this country ... It's that such a thing could ever become a police issue on any level. Suspension? Sure.. It happened back then as well as now and it should when kids break any of the known rules and then don't follow without a hassle....but criminal record?

It just seems arrest is the answer for everything beyond the slightest of verbal reprimands while the stigma of criminal records (which getting this far gave him, juvie hall or not at this point) are tacked on without a concern for how a kid has that to live with.


"They certainly don't have the right to wear politically inflammatory messaging if it does, in fact, inflame their classmates."

This NRA T-shirt is not inflammatory to me. I see nothing wrong with it and the kid has every right to wear it.

I can only hope it inflames his classmates enough so they can see what's being done to them.

Holder (and his ilk) would find this "politically inflammatory" because it interferes with his political anti-gun brainwashing program.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by abeverage
 


Well, I see your point and it's a very valid one too. Students don't have the right to just wear any old thing they want ...and NOT be questioned or challenged for it. They certainly don't have the right to wear politically inflammatory messaging if it does, in fact, inflame their classmates. Hence..the disruptive influence clause which was in place way back when I was in school too.

Where I have the problem isn't that the school took issue, although in general, they really DO need to get over the fact guns are an ingrained part of culture in this country ... It's that such a thing could ever become a police issue on any level. Suspension? Sure.. It happened back then as well as now and it should when kids break any of the known rules and then don't follow without a hassle....but criminal record?

It just seems arrest is the answer for everything beyond the slightest of verbal reprimands while the stigma of criminal records (which getting this far gave him, juvie hall or not at this point) are tacked on without a concern for how a kid has that to live with.


The sad thing of this is the media as usual making this a circus. He will need to have his juvenile record sealed or expunged and give him a clean slate.

And here is where I get angry...As a 14 year old his parents should have been called BEFORE the resource officer placed him into Custody! Avoiding his record.

THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM! HERE IS THE VIOLATION. The shirt is the red-herring.

He does not "most likely" deserve the juvenile record. And the Shirt and it's content are being used to generate publicity by the NRA and gun rights.

Schools used to take of these problems with discipline with parental consent but lawsuits etc...and here we are.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

First of all to punish an eighth grader for wearing an NRA shirt is nothing more than a free speech issue and is not legal.

I think there are many facts missing in this article.

First off, Schools enact dress codes all the time...and they don't say what the shirt actually said(They briefly show it). I feel like if the kid had on a pro-abortion shirt, most of you guys would be demanding he took it off too.
It's school, there are certain shirts that shouldn't be allowed, stuff like swear words, drug stuff...
Without knowing what the shirt actually said, how can you make an informed opinion on this topic?
Without knowing what the kid said and how he acted, how can you make an informed opinion on this topic?


Second, I know for sure the kid isn't being charged for the shirt, the charges are for something else, obstruction of justice, which sounds like he did do based on the few facts available.



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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Second, I know for sure the kid isn't being charged for the shirt, the charges are for something else, obstruction of justice, which sounds like he did do based on the few facts available.


Why is it even getting to that point. A lot worst things go on in schools that do not send a kid to jail.

Someone is a position of authority is doing a poor job.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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You miss my point as being more general than you take it. Any shirt, with any messaging, of any kind that becomes a REAL distraction and not just some politically offended school official's opinion of what may be, is a valid thing for them to challenge.

I don't see how the NRA shirt pictured is offensive either. If other students weren't making a fuss to the level of distraction, a word shouldn't have been spoken. Or, lets be fair like other causes often say as an argument, and if he can't wear that one for it's politics? No one ...liberal or conservative...can wear any T-shirt that shows anything political or topical. Period.

That last part is just silly, but I sure have heard it enough when pushing other things during past periods when the political wind blew the other way. I figure the honest judgement of distraction is a fair one though and suspension if a kid can't understand that, for whatever the message is.
(Just not police for the love of common sense)



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by AuranVector
 


You miss my point as being more general than you take it. Any shirt, with any messaging, of any kind that becomes a REAL distraction and not just some politically offended school official's opinion of what may be, is a valid thing for them to challenge.

I don't see how the NRA shirt pictured is offensive either. If other students weren't making a fuss to the level of distraction, a word shouldn't have been spoken. Or, lets be fair like other causes often say as an argument, and if he can't wear that one for it's politics? No one ...liberal or conservative...can wear any T-shirt that shows anything political or topical. Period.

That last part is just silly, but I sure have heard it enough when pushing other things during past periods when the political wind blew the other way. I figure the honest judgement of distraction is a fair one though and suspension if a kid can't understand that, for whatever the message is.
(Just not police for the love of common sense)


If the shirt had shown some pornographic act, nasty racial epithets, or a hated political figure within a gunsight, then the teacher would be right in demanding that the shirt be turned inside out.

If the kid refused, the parents would be called and the kid sent home.

But the reason, the teacher objected to this shirt is because of the teacher's political bent (why else?).

The reason the kid refused was also for political reasons and he was within his rights. Which is why I support what this kid did.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by roadgravel


No, I think the whole problem is that the men of this country are not being men. They are being chidish little boys. Throwing fits about what they can't wear, say, hang out, sect. But never, ever, ever, ever, acting on it. Yet, they are the fighters, the defenders, the protectors of the constitution and freedom, yet they never act. Only talk, write and whine.



Actually talking about it and possibly helping someone understand that it maybe a 1st amendment issue is doing something.

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Agreed
i just told someone i know that the kid was arrested for wearing a NRA shirt to school and that person said it HAD to be a 1st amendment issue.

so bravo



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by vonclod "welcome to the police state where anyone can be arrested for whatever reason they make up"



pretty much.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:04 PM
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If this kid does end up getting prosecuted, wouldn't that set a precedence that school rules and dress codes are law?

School rules are not law and unless a law was broken, the police had no business getting involved, let alone the courts.

I say good for this kid, we need more like him in the world



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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I love how whenever this happens, there's always at least one person who blames the victim.

Every
Single
Time



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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Nothing new here and not even the most egregious error by our public school officials in recent times. Here's a really great movie dealing with topics like this, aptly titled The War On Kids. Enjoy. Or not, I didn't, I got pretty riled up.

It doesn't want to em,bed, so here's the link.

www.youtube.com...


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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

14-year-old at the center of "NRA T-Shirt Controversy" now facing possibility of 1 year in jail


www.wowktv.com

Suspended and arrested after refusing to change his NRA shirt. Today, 14-year-old Jared Marcum appeared before a judge and was officially charged with obstructing an officer.


A $500 fine and up to a year in jail, that's the penalty that Jared could face, now that a judge has allowed the prosecution to move forward with it's obstructing an officer charge against him.


"Me, I'm more of a fighter and so is Jared and eventually we're going to get through this," Jared's father Allen Lardieri
(visit the link for the full news article)



This is why no one who is a member of the Democratic Party, or any other leftist Party should be allowed to work near or around children or young adults. By nature of their belief system, leftists are abusive, totalitarian, psychopaths. If someone disagrees with them, or even tries to resist them, leftists will lie and do everything in their power to destroy the person who dared to oppose them.

Look at all the instances of false hate attacks committed by leftists, and the sheer intolerance of leftists in places of education and power. These people simply have no business being around children.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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When I first read about this story it reminded me of this incident in California:

www.foxnews.com...

So I also felt that the end result was worth posting too:

www.washingtonpost.com...

In essence the California State Federal Judge ruled that no, you have 1st Amendment protection for wearing a shirt 364 days out of the year except on 6 May you'd better prostrate yourself before the alter of the 'American Melting Pot'. It is worth noting that this didn't go any farther in the court system, which I found surprising.

Defending the educator, the faculty and the LEO smacks of acquiescence to the ever encroaching march of lefties, hiding behind the notion that they were 'offended' rather than sitting down at the grown-ups table and having an adult conversation. I remember my days of high school, wearing sleeveless shirts, shirts with guns, shirts with imagery that I'm sure people could theoretically be offended at. I even sported a few shirts with the Army seal on it.
However much like the California case, here an opportunity was presented which was lost; the possibility for the instructor and the student to actually have engaging dialogue over each others perceived rights/opinions on the subject of the freedom of expression, the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms and maybe even learn something from each other.

Instead this became a circus.
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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheSpanishArcher
Nothing new here and not even the most egregious error by our public school officials in recent times. Here's a really great movie dealing with topics like this, aptly titled The War On Kids. Enjoy. Or not, I didn't, I got pretty riled up.

It doesn't want to em,bed, so here's the link.

www.youtube.com...



Thank you, TheSpanishArcher, for posting the link. I had never heard of this documentary, "The War on Kids" -- had no idea things had gotten this bad in the public schools. (I do not have any kids.) I just watched the first 14 minute segment, the info is just incredible.

I will watch the rest of it later, but I can understand why this would anger you. If these stories are true ( and I believe they are), our public schools are destroying our kids.

None of this bodes well for the future of our country or this planet.

"Good" kids are brainwashed into obedient corporate slaves who never question "higher management."

We are turning our kids into criminals for the privatized Prison Industrial Complex. This is a horror story unfolding which illustrates how evil TPTB really are.

Every American citizen should watch this.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Lipton
When I first read about this story it reminded me of this incident in California:

www.foxnews.com...

So I also felt that the end result was worth posting too:

www.washingtonpost.com...

In essence the California State Federal Judge ruled that no, you have 1st Amendment protection for wearing a shirt 364 days out of the year except on 6 May you'd better prostrate yourself before the alter of the 'American Melting Pot'. It is worth noting that this didn't go any farther in the court system, which I found surprising.

Defending the educator, the faculty and the LEO smacks of acquiescence to the ever encroaching march of lefties, hiding behind the notion that they were 'offended' rather than sitting down at the grown-ups table and having an adult conversation....



I wondered what happened to this case. The judge was (is?) a member of the very Liberal, politically correct 9th District federal court. What a traitor.

Fox News just announced the other day that by 2043 (30 years from now), Whites will be a Minority in the US.
Already the majority of Americans under the age of five yrs are Non-White.

I wanted to do a thread on that topic -- because it means profound changes in this country that go beyond race.
None of this is good.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 06:45 PM
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If that is how it all went, then all my previous posts stand for my opinion, before writing the note the reply here is referring to. If you'd noticed, what I'd written in allowing for the general disruption regardless of shirt content was in finding some common ground of agreement with Abeverage. Which that certainly is for being a fair point.

In so far as that goes, it comes entirely down to whether a disruption had happened before the faculty made an issue or after the kid got singled out. I believe that alone determines good or bad on saying something about the shirt.

The police part, I'm getting the impression we almost all agree was just absurdly out of line.

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