I bring this to stimulate some thought and a new way of looking at this whole NSA issue. The story I cite here is from a magazine called "Ramparts"
which was published in August of 1972.
From the story. . . . .
Far less widely known than the CIA, whose Director Richard Helms will occasionally grant public interviews, NSA silently provides an estimated 80
percent of all valid U.S. intelligence. So secret, so sensitive is the NSA mission and so highly indoctrinated are its personnel, that the Agency,
twenty years after its creation, remains virtually unknown to those employees outside the intelligence community. The few times its men have been
involved in international incidents, NSA's name has been kept out of the papers.
Nevertheless, the first American killed in Vietnam, near what became the main NSA base at Phu Bai, was an NSA operative. And the fact that Phu Bai
remains the most heavily guarded of all U.S. bases suggests that an NSA man may well be the last.
and regarding who the gentleman this interviews is for status and background:
Our informant served as a senior NSA analyst in the Istanbul listening post for over two years. He was a participant in the deadly international
fencing match that goes on daily with the Soviet Union, plotting their air and ground forces and penetrating their defenses. He watched the Six Day
War unfold and learned of the intentions of the major powers -- Israel, the Soviet Union, the United States, France, Egypt -- by reading their
military and diplomatic radio traffic, all of it duly intercepted, de-coded and translated by NSA on the spot.
This isn't a real quick read. It's a piece of reference material as much as anything and a real indicator of how far back this approach and mindset
goes. What has changed is the technology for scale it can be performed at, but the job and intent has been chugging away for over 40 years to this
From the Interview. . . . Remember, this was 1972, not 2012.
Q. So far we've been talking about various kinds of sophisticated electronic intelligence gathering. What about tapping of ground
A. I'm not sure on the extent of this, but I know that the NSA mission in the Moscow embassy has done some tapping there. Of course all trans-Atlantic
and trans-Pacific telephone calls to or from the U.S. are tapped.
Every conversation, personal, commercial, whatever, is automatically intercepted and recorded on tapes. Most of them no one ever
listens to, and after being held available for a few weeks, are erased. They'll run a random sort through all the tapes, listening to a certain number
to determine if there is anything in them of interest to our government worth holding on to and transcribing. Also, certain telephone conversations
are routinely listened to as soon as possible. These will be the ones that are made by people doing an inordinate amount of calling overseas, or are
otherwise tapped for special interest.
Now, it so happens that I just saw maps of what this Question & Answer are talking about, and the modern set up for it. Just within the last day, as a
matter of fact. I couldn't imagine at the time what they'd be useful for, but now I find a perfect use for them in giving context of how extensive and
thorough the coverage is. Then, and now.
Those still carry most of the communication load for the daily things, of course. I'm thinking it's a very safe bet that they never let up on their
efforts and intrusions to communications on those lines but have simply been building on that and refining it for four decades
Privacy died before a good % of us were born.
The Technology has opened entirely new scales to work with for them and made possible the intelligence world's dream of everything
day. However, I believe it's critical to put the above information in perspective to current
Simply firing a few people won't change anything, because this isn't the work of a few people. It's not the brain child of Bush or
were around to sign off on the variants as new generations of Orwell's warped vision of a future surveillance state have come to pass, and they
need to account for that
. It's not their cause/effect though. It's SYSTEMIC
.and at the very CORE of some of these Agencies.
What has changed has simply been the level of technology, taking the capabilities to such levels that even their OWN
people just can't really
take the results anymore, as we've started to see.
I hope no one settles for just a few Department heads or little people. Maybe a resignation or two. If so, absolutely nothing will have changed and
everything we want to see end will just go quiet for a long as necessary, then operate at a deeper level afterward, so as not to get notice like this
Anyway.... My find just seemed like a good thing to share in the sense of a discussion point to open new directions of thought for how deep the
changes need to be here. The Rabbit Hole goes half way to China, IMO.
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