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this is very interesting
Originally posted by Bybyots
Okay, to get the whole machine working, we need to introduce the 5 phases in to either the Creation Cycle, The Destruction Cycle or The Control Cycle. All three go clockwise with the elements stationed evenly at points around the circumference of an imaginary circle.Try to keep in mind that we have an extra layer of complexity operating with the Yin and Yang aspects of the elements; each has a Yin and a Yang; yin earth, yang earth, and so on.
In the Creation, promotion, generating or mother cycle we have:
Wood fuels Fire
Fire develops Earth (potash)
Earth fosters Metal
Metal enriches Water
Water develops Wood
In the Destruction, overwhelming, controlling or father cycle we have an interesting chain of events.
Wood infiltrates Earth (roots)
Earth restricts Water
Water kills Fire
Fire incinerates Metal
Metal chops Wood
With the Destruction cycle we need to be aware of a fine point so as not to get confused. Notice as we go in our circle that the elements all skip one place this time. For instance, in the promotion cycle we see that they come in sequential order but not so here. That's because it is a grandparent relationship, as we shall see, and grandparent elements "control" the outcome for their grandchildren.
Those are the two basic cycles that we can put the phases through, and then there is one more that is not as commonly seen, but has a more direct bearing on fortune telling (Tzu Ping, Feng Shui) when it comes to family dynamics and fine tuning other applications for the system, like medicine and boxing.
This was taught to me as the 'Control' cycle and you will see right away how it works; it's the same as the D cycle only with familial associations:
Water is the parent of Wood (yin or yang), the grandparent of Fire and is child of Metal.
Earth is the parent of Metal, the grandparent (controller) of Water and the child of Fire.
Each element's own element is called a sibling.
It's that simple. I hope now that the grandparent-controller relationship reflected in the D cycle is clear now. So, now we can get a rudimentary idea of how the elements and their correspondances influence, support, control, destroy and promote one another.
Now, that we have all of that together, let's look at some of the ways that this system may be applied in some of the traditional Chinese cultural arts I mentioned above. I am going to generalize broadly upon how this is done. I need to be sure that you know I am not meaning to represent myself as any kind of authority on Traditional Chinese Medicine. I offer this whole thread merely as an introduction and simplification of the subject in order that we may have fun with it and learn about another culture.
As you can see, each element has a unique familial relationship with each of the other elements including its own kind, for 5 relationships in all. For instance:
Metal's parent is Earth
Metal's sibling is Metal
Metal's child is Water
Metal's grandchild is Wood (controls/destroys) Wood
Metal's grandparent is Fire (controlled/destrroyed by)
For the case of astrology and Feng Shui, a person's birth chart, face and palms provide a snap-shot of what the elements were doing at the time of a person's birth. Using the system described above, the Feng Shui expert will look to see how everything is situated elementally so that weaknesses/deficiencies or strengths/excesseses can be revealed.
Here's why: The 5 familial relationships described above can be thought of as Ying/Yang differentials of the 'energies' of Giving (parent), Recieving/Taking (child), Supporting (self/sibling), Controlling (grandparent) and Being Controlled (grandchild).
If there are excesses or deficiencies in any of these elemental energies they can be balanced. Excesses and or deficiencies in any of the elements are treated, basically, in two ways; there is what you could think of as 'the main plan' and the plan to support 'the main plan'.
In the case of deficiency or Weakness: In this case, the main plan is to pump up the parent and sibling elements to get them good and strong. As a back up, we give a nudge to the grandparent element so that the parent element is in a better position to support the child and a modicum of control is added.
In the case of Excess: Here, the main plan is Control, so the grandparent element is encouraged and promoted. As a backup plan of support, the child element is added to take from the over-excited element and deplete its excess
Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by Bybyots
I don't think 9 cannons is Xing yi .
Most instructors teach other forms . Just my experience .
Cannons forms and cannon fist, is shaolin I believe .
My sifu used to teach us long fist style ,and the 12 animals forms. Not Xing yi at all .
Most Xing yi forms are based on the five elements.
That being said,its entirely possible there is such a form in Xing yi ,and I don't know it .
It is based on an element movement ? Do you recall the names at all ?
Pi chin ,pung chin etc.
Actually, I have a hereditary disease called AIP, I have the liver that is scared like a bunny. As soon as I eat the wrong food it shuts down. When I am working it works great, as long as I am doing something to heat it. I have a normal body temp of 97.0.
This is a tough call for us driven moderns and not easy to explain or believe without a lot of searching.
Do nothing and everything is done
"See the small and develop clear vision;
Practice yielding and develop strength;
Use the outer light to return to the inner light
and save yourself from harm." —Lao Tsu