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I Converted A Catholic To Atheism

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:38 PM
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Sorry, try the link again, there are a lot of pictures plus testimony. Copy and paste the link.

caccioppoli.com...;%20Close%20Encounters%20of%20the%20special%20kind%20with%20Padre%20Pio%20in%20the%20hallway,% 20backyard,%20downtown.html

If not, I'll share a shorter link. There have been over a 100 books written about St. Pio.




posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:38 PM
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I guess the new pope replacing the throne has made you forget the past thousand or so years? You have selective memory apparently and quickly forget things that go against your presuppositions.

Remember the Crusades and Inquisitions? Those were carried out and approved by the Catholic church.

Remember all those gay people and conquests Rome had? That's where your god decided to set up shop.

Remember all those pagan, false gods Rome worshiped for thousands of years? Your god allowed them to spread throughout most of Europe all the while denying his name.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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You said your wife was Catholic and are mum about yourself.
Padre Pio by his intercession while He was alive, still here brought about sight to a person that had NO pupils. Padre Pio himself, bore the wounds of Christ for fifty years. His wounds never became infected, science tested, documented over and over. God gives some holy people the stigmata to help strengthen belief and remind the world of Jesus' suffering for all of mankind.


My wife? I'm not married.

Great! Name the no pupil guy so we can check it out, or is this another one of those where the healer said he healed someone and you believe it?

Oh this just gets more insane by the minute: Pio


t is claimed that no more than Anecdotal evidence supports Pio’s alleged mystical abilities. Some of his bilocations are consistent with hallucinations and the supposed odor of sanctity was purported to be Eau de Cologne. He was never watched continually to ensure that chemicals like carbolic acid or iodine were not used to prevent wounds from healing, as has been claimed. Pio over many years wore fingerless gloves which concealed his wounds or prevented him having to tend to the wounds. Near his death Pio avoided covering his hands and there was no sign of injury.[



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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This thread makes me laugh sooo hard... I dont have a religious belief, I' no atheist, agnostic or whatever other words people come up with in their boring lives to identify them.

I am ME.

I try to be kind to people, I try to help to anyone I possibly can, I try to listen to opinions and get their point of view. I do not force my opinion down on anyone, I try to act reasonable, I look at things from all sides possible and try to live a normal life on this planet we call Earth.

If there is some guy up there(and thats an IF) and I wont worship him my whole life yet I am a normal positive guy trying my best to live a nice fair peaceful life, and I meet him "upstairs" and he is not happy about me not worshipping him all my life (and/or believe in him) and he sends me to the place people call "hell" so be it. He doesnt deserve my presence then

Why in the world should anyone be worshipped? For what? Wouldnt it be the same as dictators/leaders wanting people to worship them? That would make the guy just the same as many humans are: A guy in need of POWER.

Do you TRULY believe thats how it is? Just think about it for a minute



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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Read some of these testimonies to Padre Pio's intercession, from all over the world. Brief accounts of Pio's
help. It is fascinating to read. All the many an varied problems. Will give you hope and a devotion to St. Pio.

padrepiodevotions.org...



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Why not? I know the word has been stigmatized, but it's the best word I can use to describe what I believe.



Because that word is already taken! lol I'm heading out for a quick birthday cake. I'm going to light it and inhale it deeply. Of course, some people call it a cigarette, but hey, I can call things what I want just like you.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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"Well, I guess that's alright. I suppose I'm an atheist then. I do believe in all of that mysticism stuff, but I can't reconcile myself with a deity." So there you have it. He's decided to delete all of his religious videos and asked me to send him some of my research materials so that he can explore at leisure. This morning, he declared: "I feel like a new man! A gnostic atheist!" I questioned him on the gnostic part, and he voiced his opinion that it can be proven that there is no god. While I hesitate at the use of the word 'proven', I am proud of his new-found confidence and self-esteem.



Actually you are mistaken. You aren't an Atheist. You are closer to a Spiritualist. An Atheist doesn't believe in any of that mysticism stuff at all.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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I can not prove there is a God...

However, if he or she shows up. I wonder how fast some of you would be on your knees.

It isn't a good idea to fall on your knees just because a god shows up. Not all gods are worthy. The worthy ones don't expect or desire such behavior.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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This is why I don't respond to you, Ben.

My name IS NOT Ben, and I don't, really, care whether you respond to me, or not. That is ENTIRELY up to you!


Because there is yet a rational explanation of what created the big bang, it is 100% irrefutable proof that there is yet a rational explanation - that's all!

I agree!

By the same token, the following is only "100% irrefutable proof" of your arrogance, and nothing more:

Gods were invented because early man couldn't come up with a rational explanation for such things as volcanoes. But, now that we know better, it would be ignorant to still believe in gods.



In no way does it prove the existence of a god or even hint to one.

I never said it did! It certainly doesn't disprove God's existence, or even hint in that direction, either!


It's like saying that because no one has yet to come up with a cure for cancer, then this proves that a god is causing it.

No, it's not! It's more like YOU saying: "Because no one has yet to come up with a cure for cancer", it's impossible to cure cancer.


There's just no logical connection.

There sure as Hell wasn't one in your example!


Once again, the only proof for the existence of a god is the appearance of a god.

I'm more interested in reading your "logical connection" between not having a belief regarding God, and the claim that God doesn't exist.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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By the same token, the following is only "100% irrefutable proof" of your arrogance, and nothing more: Gods were invented because early man couldn't come up with a rational explanation for such things as volcanoes. But, now that we know better, it would be ignorant to still believe in gods.


Are you saying that this ISN'T how gods were invented?




It certainly doesn't disprove God's existence


That is not a valid argument. Period. And, I'm done.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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So I guess pantheists don't believe in a God?



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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So I guess pantheists don't believe in a God?


No no, I was J/k. You can call the universe god. But you must admit that 99% of the god topics here are based on the biblical god, so it can get confusing when someone injects another god into the chat.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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" What supports your assertion that such a "being" does not exist?"

the law of entropy.

" Well... I don't see any reason for a group that claims to have no belief regarding God, to be "anti-theist"."

the virtues and pursuits and perceptions that results from belief in such a deity. There's your reason. Or mine rather. I'm on my phone so I can't elaborate right now.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj
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You said your wife was Catholic and are mum about yourself.
Padre Pio by his intercession while He was alive, still here brought about sight to a person that had NO pupils. Padre Pio himself, bore the wounds of Christ for fifty years. His wounds never became infected, science tested, documented over and over. God gives some holy people the stigmata to help strengthen belief and remind the world of Jesus' suffering for all of mankind.


My wife? I'm not married.

Great! Name the no pupil guy so we can check it out, or is this another one of those where the healer said he healed someone and you believe it?

Oh this just gets more insane by the minute: Pio


t is claimed that no more than Anecdotal evidence supports Pio’s alleged mystical abilities. Some of his bilocations are consistent with hallucinations and the supposed odor of sanctity was purported to be Eau de Cologne. He was never watched continually to ensure that chemicals like carbolic acid or iodine were not used to prevent wounds from healing, as has been claimed. Pio over many years wore fingerless gloves which concealed his wounds or prevented him having to tend to the wounds. Near his death Pio avoided covering his hands and there was no sign of injury.[


Never been married? Not what you shared previously. You were baptized as an infant, Roman Catholic?
You have yet to reply to the second question....hmmmm.

jigger, I answer your question to show proof by ONE man, God exists and you respond with A single atheist's comment to say no. But what of the evidence, science tested reports over the years? All those doctors and scientists were wrong?

And on the miracles of Padre Pio. All these people are liars? There are a thousand testimonies. Pio answers
prayers still, that he is now in Heaven.

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Gemma Di Giorgi, born on Christmas day in 1939, was blind, born without pupils. In 1947 she was brought to padre Pio. In the hallway Padre Pio touched her eyes and she started seeing normally.

Still without pupils. Padre Pio told her mom: "Don't worry, the child sees, and you know it."

"I had no pupils in my eyes," said Gemma in 1971, several years after Padre Pio's death. “I had no sight at all. Today I still see normally. As you can seen I have no pupils."

Maria Pompilio testified that one evening her brother was praying when he began to doze off. Someone slapped him on the cheek and the hand seemed the one of Padre Pio.

The day after, he asked Padre Pio if he had slapped him. "That's what happens when you doze off while you are praying."

A man decided to stop smoking and to offer it as a penance for Padre Pio. Every night he would stop by an image of Padre Pio and show an unopened packet

of cigarettes, and say: Father, here is one. Next night: Here are two. And so on.

When he met Padre Pio: Father, are 81 days since I stopped. "I know, and you made me count the packets every night."

Joseph from San Giovanni Rotondo decided to get married on September 12 and went to Padre Pio to tell him the news.

Padre Pio: "No, you will get married on September 8." Back at home the mom told him:

Son, you can't married the 12th because your cousin has chosen that date for her wedding. We might have to chose the 8th."

Joseph than told his mom of the conversation with Padre Pio.



On July 1930, 24 years old Giuseppina Marchetti had her right arm and shoulder badly crashed in an accident. Several doctors couldn't help.

She went to Padre Pio with her father. Padre Pio told her: "You will recover." Back home, on September 17 father and daughter smelled an intense perfume

of daffodils and roses lasting 15 minutes. She felt healed. An x-ray was perfectly normal.

Professor Enrico Medi reports that he was driving the narrow road to San Giovanni, thinking that was his daughter's birthday and she was blowing the candles at that time.

He missed a narrow bend of the road, and was about to crash in an incoming car. But the cars stopped few inches from each other.

That afternoon Padre Pio seeing him said: "You blow the candles, and I drive the car."

Padre Pio told a policeman who was on duty near him: "Go home to your parents. In a week you are going to die."

"But I'm perfectly healthy." "You will be even better in a week."

He went on leave, and once home he told his parents what Padre Pio had said. A week later he suddenly had a heart attack and died.

A blind man begged Padre Pio to restore his sight “even if only in one eye,” “Only in one eye?” Some weeks later:

“So, you are seeing normally again?” “Yes, from this eye here, not from the other.”

“Ah! Only from one eye? Let that be a lesson to you. Never put limitations on God. Always ask for the big grace!”

In May 1925 a mom give



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:44 PM
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" That's kinda it and some of the problems with it. It's about surrendering to Jesus and having faith that his path for you will fulfill your spiritual needs in the after."

I think it's healthier to have faith in yourself first. That's what this is all about. Self-empowerment. Being able to do and be exactly what makes you happy using your creative power. You are 100 percent accountable to yourself for both what you want and what you do. You have the power to seize your dreams and every hope you can imagine. That. is the gift I have tried to give my friend in awakening him to the perspective that I see so clearly.

And I will tell you right now that he is not one bit sorry for it. He is in fact profusely thankful. Whatever you have to say, you can make neither of us regret this change in his life. We both intend to seize our futures in the manner that I have just described above.
edit on 15-6-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:44 PM
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You converted a Catholic to atheism, huh?

That must've been easy.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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Are you saying that this ISN'T how gods were invented?

Nope! I said the only thing your comment PROVED was your arrogance. Do you really feel that it PROVES "how gods were invented"? I certainly don't!


That is not a valid argument.

It was just as valid as your argument! Using your "logic", the two dogs sitting here don't exist because you can't taste, smell, see, hear, or touch them.


I'm done.

I won't say that I'm surprised.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj



Always the naysayer.... You deny everything of faith and you use to be Catholic. Your dear wife, you are certainly her cross jigger. I have posted time and time again links to the Protestant and Catholic daily messages from Heaven. God speaks to every generation, that's a long time. Believe prophecy. The messages from Heaven could fill a city library. I'll be glad to post a couple of links again.
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Always the blind man. All you have is empty words quoted from other brainwashed people. I don't have any religious fanatics in my family.

Do me a favor (or rather, do yourself a favor) and come up with the name of ONE man that had an amputated arm healed by god. JUST ONE out of millions! What? God works miracles everyday, doesn't he? What absurd excuse will you come up with for this? The one surefire way to prove that your god exists; one day a man has no hand, the next day he does. Of all the miracles proclaimed and yet not THIS one. WHY WHY WHY?

Answer, because your god isn't real. He doesn't exist. He's a fairy tale, Colbe. There's no magic, no miracles, no God's divine plan, no God's will, no angels, no demons. Nothing!



jigger says no to God. The testimonies of thousands people helped by Pio, physically and spiritually are all lies. Someone is wrong, guess who?

Here is your "surfire" answer jigger and you still replied, with another atheist's denial. You have no integrity.

~ ~ ~

Gemma Di Giorgi, born on Christmas day in 1939, was blind, born without pupils. In 1947 she was brought to padre Pio. In the hallway Padre Pio touched her eyes and she started seeing normally.

Still without pupils. Padre Pio told her mom: "Don't worry, the child sees, and you know it."
"I had no pupils in my eyes," said Gemma in 1971, several years after Padre Pio's death. “I had no sight at all. Today I still see normally. As you can seen I have no pupils."



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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He has absolutely no complaints regarding this thread. He is looking at this from rather a different a seat than all of you are sitting in.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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You seem to take a lot of things at face value. I guess that's a byproduct of being religious though.

Care to give a source for what you quoted? I'd be interested in looking into those claims.

If someone doesn't have pupils then I fail to see how it's physically possible for them to see. What was the point of god giving us pupils if we didn't really need them?




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