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One, did you get the impression that he wanted to talk about anything other than "Why Atheism is a better choice than Catholicism?" I understand there were sub-questions and alternate phrasings, but was that the root, the sum, of what he wanted to discuss?
Two, you mentioned that the ideas he planted might some day take root. This may be a result of some blindness on my part, but what were the positive ideas beyond "Atheism is better than Catholicism because . . .?"
I've tried, and I hope have succeeded in treating him well, but if you noticed a failing on my part, please mention it so I can avoid it in the future.
Congratulations and goodbye. I'm heading out, because I don't feel like I care to watch this bullcrap go on anymore. You've all been a huge disappointment. This chance for you to show decorum and intelligence has turned into a poo-throwing contest the likes of which would have terrified King King. I'm ashamed to have witnessed it.
I'm doing my best to get this thread deleted because I would prefer to forget about this ugly side of some members I used to respect so much. Turns out, the respect was never mutual.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Read what I wrote again, I said “kept deliberately out of our view, by the OP”
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
As in, physically restrained or psychologically manipulated. Read MY post again.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You're the fool for not being specific. This is all a game to you.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Read my post again, and quote the part where I decided for him. Quote me where I said that. Or are you putting words in my mouth AGAIN?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If he's not posting, it's because you are not important to him.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Two golden nuggets in a barrel of cow pies still equals a barrel of cow pies. I put the very useful and good quality barrel there and stood by as others dumped load after load after load of cow pies into it, and you drop a few coins in and consider yourself good? That's a pitiful effort.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
All you did was ask questions and trade jibes and accusations.
No, the experience was not worthwhile to him. I talk to him, I discuss this thread with him, I know what he has to say. He's not very satisfied at all.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You want a reason he hasn't responded? I just gave it to you. It's just not worthwhile. I convinced him to give it a try and he did. And decided he didn't like it. Maybe you should have pulled together a more sincere welcoming committee for him. As it is, he no longer feels welcome. And that just takes all the fun right out of it, don't it?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Congratulations and goodbye. I'm heading out, because I don't feel like I care to watch this bullcrap go on anymore. You've all been a huge disappointment. This chance for you to show decorum and intelligence has turned into a poo-throwing contest the likes of which would have terrified King King. I'm ashamed to have witnessed it.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by wildtimes
Dear wildtimes,
As AfterInfinity has left us, may I turn to you as a relatively neutral observer?
I have two questions. One, did you get the impression that he wanted to talk about anything other than "Why Atheism is a better choice than Catholicism?" I understand there were sub-questions and alternate phrasings, but was that the root, the sum, of what he wanted to discuss?
Two, you mentioned that the ideas he planted might some day take root. This may be a result of some blindness on my part, but what were the positive ideas beyond "Atheism is better than Catholicism because . . .?"
I've tried, and I hope have succeeded in treating him well, but if you noticed a failing on my part, please mention it so I can avoid it in the future With respect,Charles1952
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by AfterInfinity
Congratulations and goodbye. I'm heading out, because I don't feel like I care to watch this bullcrap go on anymore. You've all been a huge disappointment. This chance for you to show decorum and intelligence has turned into a poo-throwing contest the likes of which would have terrified King King. I'm ashamed to have witnessed it.
WOW! Way to appreciated the guests and contributors to your little ego party of a thread! Atheists also "reap what they sow" it a universal law!
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by charles1952
Dear charles,
thank you for the correspondence.
One, did you get the impression that he wanted to talk about anything other than "Why Atheism is a better choice than Catholicism?" I understand there were sub-questions and alternate phrasings, but was that the root, the sum, of what he wanted to discuss?
In my opinion? No, not really. AfterInfinity has a tenet that he adheres to in MANY threads and posts. He is angry at how religion has made "God" into a tyrannical despot in the eyes and worldviews of MANY - I don't know his details, but I do believe his heart is in the right place. His reasons for making the thread appear to be that he
A) wanted to offer an example of how suggesting that someone struggling with their "belief system", using reason and common sense and open-minded review, can help a person escape from a (for them) suffocating and disheartening worldview.
and
B) wanted to point out that atheists are just as able to function in the world and have self-confidence, morals, a good heart, and a worthwhile life, WITHOUT having to adhere to a 'faith' in something that can not be proven.
Two, you mentioned that the ideas he planted might some day take root. This may be a result of some blindness on my part, but what were the positive ideas beyond "Atheism is better than Catholicism because . . .?"
It is my opinion that religion is not required for "good living", and I believe he shares that opinion. For HIM, atheism is better than [religion] because it has the effect of freeing the mind from "fear" imposed by "priests" based on conjecture and a selective interpretation of the Bible.
For some people, this does not happen. Many people find hope, comfort, and focus in religion. Not all people do, however. And I think his point is/was that those who do adhere to a "structured and packaged" faith BUT do so out of "fear", "obligation", or "indoctrination" are compliant for the wrong reasons. They do not find religion to be "uplifting".
For my part, I don't think religion is required for good living. And when it instills - into some people - fear, self-loathing, worthlessness, and certain "doom" unless they follow strict set of "rules" of ritual and conduct, it is counter-productive to self-acceptance, and an unrestrained freedom to approach the world in their own unique way.
I've tried, and I hope have succeeded in treating him well, but if you noticed a failing on my part, please mention it so I can avoid it in the future.
I think you did fine, charles. You are a fair and approachable member. AfterInfinity seems, to me, to be a more intense and passionate character, and he wants to get his point across.
The bottom line is that religion doesn't work for everyone. And it's important for us each to allow everyone else to find their own way. There is no "absolute right way" and "absolute wrong way" to look at the mysteries of life. We each need to feel we have room to breathe, time to consider, and the privilege of changing tack when we feel it would be appropriate to do so for OUR OWN BEST INTERESTS.
This may sound "self-indulgent" to some, but for those of us who felt stifled, misunderstood, judged without reason, and forever inadequate, and were instructed to recite that we were "not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs from under [God's] table", and needed to be "forgiven" for things we left undone (what things, please?) or things we did (what things, please?), it can be damaging to self-esteem and ability to contribute to society with confidence and happy participation.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Well, technically nothing is "worthless", but some things are worth more than others.
Your replies are pretty snooty and arrogant 95% of the time. Arrogance isn't a very good quality to have, just so you know.
I give what I get. And I got a lot of it in this thread.edit on 28-6-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
I started the thread out saying what you did for your "friend" was good, then I started seeing through what you were saying and decided that you were lying about your story.
I based my decision on how you were replying to questions, which included deflections, half-truths, and insults in my opinion.
All I can say is how much I love you, wildtimes, AfterInfinity, and everybody who was drawn to this thread because, somehow, they saw the significance of the conflict between the world where our will is done, and the world where God's will is done.
You never know what might come of your actions. It is almost never what you think it is going to be, but each one of our little contributions to the world changes it forever.