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I Converted A Catholic To Atheism

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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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" We both know that you don't have a belief in God, so I reckon that's just another one of your "snide comments". Well done!"

it's still true and you know it.




posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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I thought that's what the Bible was?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by piequal3because14
reply to post by Serdgiam
 



So, if satan made the decision to truly repent and ask for forgiveness from your god, he would not receive it?
I am not saying a devil would actually do this, but if he did, you are saying he would be turned away?
I guess the truth might hurt.
Not before the souls he have in his possesion.
But some souls we be left forever in the possesion of the Devil.
And I know which one.....even if not that many will be left there in a distant future.
Because those left there will never ask for forgiveness.


Satan (as you seem to believe exists) is of Gods creation and is allowed to exist; unless you have a thought that Satan is greater and created God instead JUST FOR US HUMANS (in humor and JEST) to argue about and keep us busy, rather Machiavellian do you not think?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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Why is he allowed to exist?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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Double post.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 


Why is he allowed to exist?


Satan? Because whatever that 'thing' out there that purports to have created ALL must have created it as well. I see Satan---lets give it another moniker--Evil Intent (NO) only the name the human gives the negative force, which is vital to transform change. It does not matter if its a happy hat dance outcome or a sad movie tears and hankerchief needed outcome. ITS ALL ABOUT CHANGE. The negative seems throughout history to be the more forceful in creating positive outcome. Good question. I think its a matter of perfecting something, Intent perhaps, the purity factor of it and we are not close to understanding the power that could potencially hold.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 08:52 PM
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I don't see how that answers my question.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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I don't see how that answers my question.


Naturally because you are looking for an answer that fits or furthers your ideology (agenda). This one clearly does NOT is not one you will endorse. You cannot believe in a Satan without believing in its creator--God. So, What is your question without reference to either? I know how to phrase it; can you?
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Don't pretend you know what kind of answer I'm looking for. You know nothing other than what I allow you to know about my thoughts and concerns. I don't have to believe in either to question the logic of your beliefs. Now please answer my question: why is he allowed to continue to exist?
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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I don't have to believe in either to question the logic of your beliefs. Now please answer my question: why is he allowed to continue to exist?


I answered that 4 posts above, there has to be a reason for the ankle tracking bracelet it wears, its relegated (confined) to the territory of earth and can not go beyond this terraforma, allowed of course to further the positive by testing it with the negative.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
He did indulge in Druidic and general wiccan practices as well, educating himself in both ends of the field.


Imagine “Wild Times” (Hi Wild, *Waves*) sneaking off to an Evangelical church for tea, biscuits and prayer study, 2 times a week, while simultaneously missing her regular slide show presentations, at the local Witches Tavern lol …would you still say she was truly a Wiccan believer, through and through…I don’t think so!

Real Catholic believers would not be doing Druidic, Wiccan practices, on the side lol and if he was really practicing those 2 things together, then his belief in Catholicism, couldn’t have been that strong to begin with.

This doesn’t quite add up, and it doesn’t look like he had a genuine belief to me…It’s looks more like he was confused about his beliefs, and was searching…etc; nothing wrong with that of course, but that would make him more of an agnostic, than anything else.


And another thing which doesn’t quite add up, is that Mr Cooper doesn’t appear to know too much about Catholicism, as has been pointed out by Charles in this post

This is all pretty bizarre, considering that I asked him this straightforward question below…



Originally posted by Jeocroft
It’s seems to me that based on the above, that your religious beliefs weren’t that solid to begin with… would that be a fair assessment to make…?

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And to be fair, he (Mr Cooper) could have at least mentioned the fact, that he took part in Druidic and Wiccan practices, along side his Catholic ones…etc, which in turn would have just helped to confirm my initial suspicions, in that his beliefs in Catholicism, were not that GROUNDED to begin with. But instead, Mr Cooper decides to only reply to my question above, with the basic response of “no”… (below)



Originally posted by anthonycooper
No


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His response should have looked something more like this…

“Yes” that would be a fair statement, because I’ve been researching into Wicca and Druidism for quite some time now (“Years” perhaps) and partaking in their practices, all DURING!!! lol my belief in Catholicism…”

And to finish off, he’d probably say something like this…

“And after all my searching and researching, it was my good buddy AfterInfinity, who was solely LOL responsible, for tearing me away lol from Catholicism, and converting me to atheism, and I’ve come down here, to this thread, to bear witness to that fact.”

Yeah, Right!!! lol

Looks like my initial assessment was correct.


- JC



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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Your answer doesn't make any sense because you seem to be speaking in riddles. Maybe if you speak plainly you be able to communicate easier



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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The best, and most well known, non-religious study of the Church abuse scandal is the one done by the John Jay College of Law. Among other things, it points out that 81% of the cases were male-male, and only 19% were male-female.

Further, 77.4% of the victims alleged that their first abuse was at age 11 or older. So, it wasn't pedophilia, we're looking at homosexual activities with post-pubescent males. (Both taken from tables in Chapter 4.3)
www.jjay.cuny.edu..



That's a fine line that you're walking there Charles. One has to wonder why these priests chose children to have their "homosexual" relations with and not with consenting adults.

Post pubescence means after puberty. An 11 year old is only beginning puberty. Puberty typically ends at between 15 - 17 years of age for boys. The molestation and rape of these children isn't about sexual urges or the expression of love though, it's about control. Taking advantage of children who are not experienced with their own sexuality and who can't legally consent to sex is child abuse and not a "homosexual" trait.


Just to be service-y: the word for abuse of post-pubescent boys is Ephebophilia (from ephebos, the Greek word for an adolescent boy).

Also, I think it's absolutely preposterous to claim that the abuse of pre- and post-pubescent children by Catholic clergy has anything to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality: these abusers have a serious mental illness that causes (or at least predisposes them to) their unconscionable behavior. No healthy person - gay or straight - wants to abuse children. Period.

Finally, Bill Donohue and the Catholic League's agenda here is clearly to turn the force and momentum of outrage at the abuse scandal into outrage at gay people, their allies and the liberal culture at large that accepts their existence.


Best New Catholic Church Defense: It's Not Pedophilia If the Boys Were Post-Pubescent


See, if the kids were post-pubescent—12 or 13, according to Bill—then it's not pedophilia anymore, it is homosexuality. And that means it's not the fault of the church, it is the fault of Gays.



MELBOURNE, June 6 (UPI) -- The Catholic Church in Victoria, Australia, revised upward the number of children it says were sexually abused by clergy and staff from 620 to at least 849. In its original submission to the Victoria child abuse inquiry, the church said it had paid compensation to 620 victims, the Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported Thursday. Further analysis of church documents revealed at least 849 were abused since the 1950s

Those found guilty include 114 brothers, 98 priests, 42 lay people, nine nuns, two seminarians and two listed as unknown.

Read more: www.upi.com...



O'Grady was a priest at St. Anne's from 1971 through 1978. He also served at parishes in Stockton, Turlock, Hughson and San Andreas before being arrested in San Andreas in 1993. He spent seven years at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione after pleading guilty to four counts of sexual abuse with children under 14 in Calaveras County while he a priest in San Andreas.

He was paroled from Mule Creek in 2000 and deported to his native Ireland. In late 2010, O'Grady was arrested on charges of possessing thousands of photos of child pornography. He was sentenced to three years in an Irish prison after pleading guilty to three counts of possessing child pornography.
www.huffingtonpost.com...


N.J. Catholics Outraged Over Archbishop's Defense Of Accused Priest's Access To Children

German priest admits 280 counts of child abuse


THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The head of a Dutch inquiry into child abuse in the Catholic church school system says yearly complaints are up 100-fold since allegations emerged of worldwide abuse.
www.huffingtonpost.com...


Spanish priest arrested over '21,000 child porn images'


Why do you do this windword? Defend the vile act of sodomy and attack the Church? You do not have
testimony of priests accused and mind you not all accused are guilty. I have posted explanation from a psychologist who helped priests, he the scandal was homosexual not pedophile.

You do not believe in the spiritual power of the priesthood but Satan does.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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Dear boymonkey74,


I better warn you Colbe thinks that the Catholic child abuse scandel is the fault of homosexuals.

So do I.

The best, and most well known, non-religious study of the Church abuse scandal is the one done by the John Jay College of Law. Among other things, it points out that 81% of the cases were male-male, and only 19% were male-female.

Further, 77.4% of the victims alleged that their first abuse was at age 11 or older. So, it wasn't pedophilia, we're looking at homosexual activities with post-pubescent males. (Both taken from tables in Chapter 4.3)
www.jjay.cuny.edu...

I hope you enjoy having false ideas erased as much as I do.

With respect,
Charles1952


Bumping up this post....



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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What sort of answer are you looking for? What do you want me to say to you? You clearly aren't satisfied with what I've given you so far, so why are you still here?



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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I would advise you save your energy. Your message would be better served elsewhere. If you wish to continue your blathering here, it will only be an exercise in futility.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Please stop bumping posts that do not contribute to the thread.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 


Don't pretend you know what kind of answer I'm looking for. You know nothing other than what I allow you to know about my thoughts and concerns. I don't have to believe in either to question the logic of your beliefs. Now please answer my question: why is he allowed to continue to exist?
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I had no idea I am/was in the presence of God, speaking to 'none other' its own grandiose selfdome in all of its glory. No wonder you are disliked in some quarters by/of the human imagination. I know nothing other than that I am told, or allowed to believe regarding my own inferior existance. You created me as imperfect. You do not have to believe or question my logic, I can only have faith in your wisdom, (sorely lacking, but mine is worse). Why are you allowed to continue, because of apathy and Frankenstein as a metaphor for you did not accomplish the intended. Get rid of the Prime Creator, and no more MONSTERS made of human body parts (that being our bloody HISTORY to exist) will ever be re-animated.
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posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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I'm trying to get you to have a serious intellectual conversation with me but apparently you're only interested in riddles and mockery. I'm done playing this game with you.



posted on Jun, 21 2013 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 


Your answer doesn't make any sense because you seem to be speaking in riddles. Maybe if you speak plainly you be able to communicate easier


Riddles hold answers that are exponencial, as in can be answered (by the individual) personally revelent to them. If you cannot grasp this concept, DECEPTICON is on its way tonight to pay you a visit, and teach you the arts of betrayal. (It looks like a dinosaur).



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