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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by markosity1973
The biggest problem with GMO foods is that we simply don't know either way whether they cause harm or not.
Can you explain why there is any reason to think that GMO foods might cause harm?
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by otie1
I dunno.
maybe Ben and Nancy are, like me, sick to death of the rampant stupidity of the anti-gmo crowd?
I have yet to see even one single watertight and repeatable experiment showing the horrors. believe me, I look. but not only are the arguments neither watertight nor repeatable, they typically have logic gaps so wide you could drive a truck through.
but, what makes it even sadder, is that there are real genuine arguments to be made against this technology. why is this argument so heavily steeped in propaganda? if you are one of those whom are foaming at the mouth on this issue, then I unequivocally assure you that you are part of a mass of lemmings.
tell me again: who are the sheeple? the shills?
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by otie1
I dunno.
The authors of Séralini et al. provided a limited amount of relevant additional information in their answer to critics published in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology.
although you will definitely get flagged for being off topic you make a great point. And it doesn't have to be specifically to this one person, it is the MO of the pro gmo side.
Originally posted by Bilky
reply to post by Phage
The evidence keeps coming but all you do is question it every time as if you are some kind of genius, a blind one at that. When it is eventually undeniable you will fade away. Or maybe you are ignorant enough to just keep arguing.
Another health concern related to GMOs rests on the possibility that genes might be transferred elsewhere. The nightmare scenario would be an antibiotic-resistance gene getting inadvertently passed to pathogenic bacteria in a person’s stomach. Much of the work that's been done indicates that the rate of horizontal gene transfer from plants to animals and bacteria is probably very low. But, admittedly, there's a real gap in our understanding of how genes may or may not be transferred from GM crops -- or other crops, for that matter -- into the cells of the gut and the bacteria that live in the digestive tract.
Chinese researchers have found small pieces of rice ribonucleic acid (RNA) in the blood and organs of humans who eat rice. The Nanjing University-based team showed that this genetic material will bind to receptors in human liver cells and influence the uptake of cholesterol from the blood. The type of RNA in question is called microRNA (abbreviated to miRNA) due to its small size. MiRNAs have been studied extensively since their discovery ten years ago, and have been implicated as players in several human diseases including cancer, Alzheimer's, and diabetes. They usually function by turning down or shutting down certain genes. The Chinese research provides the first in vivo example of ingested plant miRNA surviving digestion and influencing human cell function in this way.
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by markosity1973
horizontal gene transfer is fairly common. the human genome is chock-full of LINE elements and others which did not originate in primates. the problem is that, considering the mechanisms of genomic housekeeping and transcription, the probability of a viable (let alone toxic) transcriptional product is practically unthinkable.
but what you've said here hints at, IMO, one of the few legitimate biological concerns that shoud really be looked at. the focus of molecular biology for decades has been transcription products (proteins). but the fringes of the science have been discovering the profound effect of nucleotide oligomers as transcription factors (epigenetics).
it seems plausible to me that foreign nonsense non-coding sequences of DNA or RNA diffusing through the body (after miraculously remaining intact through the gut) could cause disruptions in genetic regulation as transcription factors. its a long shot, but its worth considering.
Originally posted by tgidkp
ironically, I just responded quite at length to someone who had the ability to be thoughtful and courteous. you'll note that this person was not you.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by Philippines
Stomach inflammation? No more detail than that? I take it we are actually talking about the organ, the stomach? Surely there must be some reason for the inflammation which can be tested for by running a metric ton of blood examinations, and testing chunks of the stomach, lining, and all exits and entries in and out of the stomach too? There must be more to whats happening to these pigs which would explain the inflammation.
It is unacceptable that more has not been done to find out what precise medical cause the inflammation has.