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Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main draw for Muslim men?

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 04:43 PM

Originally posted by nagabonar
oh no not another muslim beating thread. I left GLP cause of this.

You left a site because of a single thread?

Freedom of speech my friend, everyones is entitled to an opinion if you don't like then don't read.

Why is not OK for people to question religion but it s perfectly fine for people to stop me in the street and tell me I'm I am a lost soul and force religious leaflets in my face?

If it fine for them to judge us then it's fine for us to judge them...

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 05:07 PM
reply to post by Maccaron.Shakaron

If I click your link, will my computer explode?

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 05:34 PM
So does Allah or Muhammad provide Viagra to all those poor souls who can't get it up because of all the sex? Or as a member under Allah’s rule, are you endowed with the stamina of a bunny rabbit for all time?

Mmmmm curious…

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
People don't want to put forth the effort to understand the reasoning behind historical texts and therefore approach them from a modern perspective. Ignorance abounds.
I am a Christian, and if you want to curse me, my G-d, burn the Christian bible, etc… Than have at it! It is what some of us call “free will”! It’s what’s within my heart that matters most! It is your free will to do so, and I’m not going to go out and kill you, or make threats to kill you if you decide to do such things!

But hey, let’s be real here! If I want to build a Christian church a couple miles out of Mecca, THAT WON’T BE A PROBLEM. Right? If I want to build a Christian church in a predominately Muslim community, there won’t be any retaliation. Right? IF MOST MUSLUMS ARE SO PEACFULL, than why are these options not a possibility?

I’m sure some are wondering why the bitterness? This is why…

I had a female friend back in the 80’s who got beat up all the time because her Muslim Father found out she was doing normal 16 y/o girly kind of stuff outside of the home. Her Father found out she was putting makeup on when she was in the school bus on the way to school. Her father whipped her with a belt so many times that she had strap marks from her middle back down to her feet! She always kept hush hush about it because she was scared for her life! There were a couple times that he was turned in for the physical and psychological abuse, but the father found other ways to physically abuse her. Ways that didn’t leave marks. At the end of the day, they were able to get her into a foster home. She would have been killed otherwise. They had to move her into a couple different foster homes because the family found out where she was staying.

Open your eye’s people; it is the so called “friendly” Muslims demonstrating hate in the streets when someone sketches out a cartoon of Mohammed. I have NEVER seen Muslims out in the streets rallying together to demonstrate their love for this great country! And for those that say that it is only a small majority that are wackos…? Go ahead and burn the Koran, talk down Muhammad, etc..! I’m sorry people! I’m just not feeling the love! Are there really that many people out there that are so blind to the truth?

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 06:19 PM
If you can find a person who believes that you get him to worship anything.

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 06:30 PM

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FlyersFan


If there are mostly women in hell, wouldn't that mean that those 70 virgins per man would have to be men too? If not then there are WAY more women than men in heaven, at least a 70:1 ratio.

I don't think they'd be too happy if they found out those virgins are actually guys.

On the other hand the guy in hell has all the women and the beer, as well as the western clothes and late night partys no wonder it's hot down there.

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 06:32 PM
reply to post by Agent75

Oh yes, and an afterlife of nothing but sex doesn't sound very good to me.

No it doesn't, not when those 72 virgins are perpetual, which means after you're done having your fun they are magically virgin again, and you have to retrain them the next day. Repetative punishment is a theme of Hell. Moral of the story is they think theyre going to heaven, but when they get there they soon realize they went to hell.
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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Maccaron.Shakaron
You people really like to take the beliefs of terrorists and show them to be the beliefs of real Muslims don't you? Well sorry to burst your hateful little bubble but that entire belief has no basis in the Holy Quran and is only based on Hadiths that cant be proven to be authentic and a mistranslation of the Quran.

Does the Quran really promise 72 virgins?

Well, I can't speak for the others, but my belief in the "72 virgins thing" did not come from any hatred or any desire to take the lies of terrorists and show them to be the beliefs of true Muslims or whatever you said. It was, in my case, a simple mistake. Of course, I would properly research it before going as far as openly criticising anyone for it or making a thread about it, and I would explain that these beliefs are not found in the quran, if that was what I found to be true.

I'm actually glad this person made this thread, or else I would never have read your post and would never have discovered a new possible truth that I will research after I'm done here. Thanks to both of you. You and the op. You've made quite a good team today, one asking questions and the other answering them. You should really get together and do this again sometime.

It's kind of sad that the op didn't clarify, and then you had to make it all about hate and some strange, obscure desire to, what was it you said...oh yeah, take the words of terrorists and show them to be the beliefs f true Muslims. What a strange desire... Is that, in your opinion, like a hobby to some people? Or something the Freemasons do in private Bilderberger meetings? Would it go something like this?: "Alright ladies and gentleman, and our order of business for today will be, Taking The Words of Terrorists and Showing Them to Be The. Beliefs of True Moslems, Steve will be giving the PowerPoint presentation today." Is thst what you envision when you make statements like that or ask rhetorical questions like that? Just curious.

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 09:26 PM
I'm a new member, but have lurked here a bit and have come to really appreciate the dialog that occurs here; open, respectful and a willingness to entertain the opposite POV.

I decided to make my first post in reply to this thread, mainly because I believe that the OP is lacking a fundamental understanding of the people in the Middle East; the majority of muslims, save the uber-rich oil sheiks, politicians, imams and those that live in Westernized nations (Egypt, Saudi Arabia ect.), are literally living in the 15th century.

During my time deployed to the Middle East, interacting with regular muslims, I began to realize that these people are not 'stupid' in the sense that they do not understand subjects such as basic math, but are ignorant of the world around them due to the isolation of their countries because of the PTB. I liken their mentality to that of the people in North Korea:

(NatGeo piece on North Korea for those interested)

IMO the reason that we are dealing with the growth of militant islam is due to the stranglehold that militant islam has over the region and the complete lack of non-theistic based education.

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 10:32 PM

The laws in the Quran are actually designed to protect women. You are just basing your opinion from how the media portrays Islam.
reply to post by Ghost375

Having them walk around in burqas in public, stoning them if they look at another man, killing their daughters if they feel they've dishonored their family. Those are facts of the Muslim religion, not something the media just made up. If that's called protecting women and treating them with respect, I don't think any non-Muslim women would want any part of it.

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 10:34 PM

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Greatest I am

Compare it to the biblical religions (sorry Islam is not one), Soddom and Gomorah were destroyed after the inhabitants whom were sexually immoral demanded sex with the angels the lord had sent and he was wroth with the deviant culture there and the unrepentant people.

Jesus said "There is no difference between a man and a woman, in the resurrection you shall have a 'new body' a celestial (Spiritual/Energy/Angelic) body like the angels and you shall neither be given nor taken in marriage for the past things (Sex/Fornication) shall be no more and you will be like the angels.

Angels - son's of god (the gender is irrelevant)

I'm not sure about that.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

We are the sons of God, what he says is correct

posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 11:18 PM
Islam, as with all religions, is a phallocentric system of control concocted by men in a time where there was no easier way to control the masses than through an ethereal threat. So it's little wonder Islam's carrot is sex / 72 virgins / 28 pearly boys- it panders to the vices of man.

It's these very distinctive human fingerprints smeared all over religion that render the concept null and void, and in fact, ludicrously hypocritical in its propositions.

Only abject morons worship gods. /facts

Quoting scripture to prove scripture is like excusing a paedophile when they justify their actions.
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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:34 AM
reply to post by Greatest I am

Is suggesting mojo sex with many virgins in paradise, in order to get men to believe in a religion any shallower than claiming there is an afterlife so that people who fear mortality will cling to a religion? Seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Why not create a thread about Christianity being shallow because it caters to people hoping against hope for an afterlife? Oh yeah, this is ATS, which is overrun with Islam-bashing threads, many of which are created by Christians who haven't the sense to look critically at their own religion, but rather just get all bigoty towards some religion from another culture.

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:21 AM
reply to post by MrInquisitive

I think the problem is, many pillar heads of Muslim countries maintain there power by the sword and often quite unjustly. You cannot honestly tell me that Sharia Law is just?

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:28 AM
I say if your gonna believe in fairy tales why not believe the most appealing one?

From my understanding of the christian heaven Ill take the 72 virgins anyday

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 04:42 AM

Originally posted by smyleegrl
And what does the Muslim afterlife promise for faithful women? Another life of servitude, subjugation, and the pleasantries of being a concubine for all eternity?

I'd rather there be nothing, or reincarnate as a slug, myself.

My female muslim friend once told me that its very hard for women to get into heaven, apparently half of them end up in hell for something or other. Hey, at least they wouldn't have to share a bloke for eternity

In answer to th OP, now that i think about it it does seem very shallow - But that cant really be the only incentive to be a good muslim now, can it?

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 05:02 AM
72 virgins is not even mentioned in the Quran. Only very ignorant muslims believe in that #.

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 06:25 AM
reply to post by Sonny2

Yep yep, its all mistranslated and was really a raisins.. ? just to think a little more about this dilemma ..

Its all about marketing, when had a Paradise, which is peaceful and serene. Islam had to make religion more appealing to their males.

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