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Originally posted by aceamoeba
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Some friendly advice, If you want the kind of security the USPS provides, then by all means, support the USPS!
I'm taking your advice and I'm going to stop posting for a little bit.
Obama stated congress was briefed on this program, have any memebers of congress disputed this?
A recent briefing by senior intelligence officials on surveillance programs failed to attract even half of the Senate, showing the lack of enthusiasm in Congress for learning about classified security programs.
Many senators claimed they were never briefed on the NSA’s surveillance programs when the British newspaper The Guardian caused a media firestorm by reporting their existence earlier this month.
“I’m pretty good about attending meetings; I don’t remember being briefed,” Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) told reporters on June 6, when the public learned the extent of the NSA’s collection of telephone metadata.
He voted for the Patriot Act, but said he did not intend to grant blanket authority to collect millions of phone records.
Read more: thehill.com...
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
Did Obama say all of Congress was briefed?
If they're allowed to remain on the current path much longer, the Presidential Office will be dead and their task of executing the Presidential Office will be complete!
He has to break the law for us to consider impeachment?
Is that a law?
If the president decided to sleep all day and play video games and do absolutely nothing else, you're saying we can't bring up impeachment because he isn't breaking any laws?
What? I'd like to duct tape the both of you together and ship you out of this country to any random location. This of course is only my personal opinion
Did Obama say all of Congress was briefed
Answering a reporter's questions after his speech on healthcare in San Jose, California, the president sought to downplay both the scope of the reported surveillance programs and their secrecy, saying Congress not only knew about them, but overwhelmingly approved both programs.
"These are programs that have been authorized by broad bipartisan majorities repeatedly since 2006," Obama said, adding, "your duly elected representatives have been consistently informed on exactly what we're doing."
He continued: "This program, by the way, is fully overseen not just by Congress, but by the FISA Court," and noted, "every member of Congress has been briefed on this program."
Listen to the full 15 minutes' worth of remarks here.
but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Ghost375
Oh I get it, ethics shouldn't apply to a messiah! If you or I lied on the job we would get canned. Besides the point that Obama should be the primary advocate for every American by upholding our constitution. He swore an oath on that one. So no matter what he feels is right or wrong, he broke his sole oath of office and can be impeached.
So if you attempt to say that it doesn't count, may I ask why they have that big inauguration whoop te do over him reciting his oath?
Originally posted by talklikeapirat
I think you want legislators to know exactly what kind of programs and policies they approve. How can they do what they've been elected to do, if they don't know. This is what Checks and Balances is all about. Full accountability requires full knowledge.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Bilk22
Err.. Not to be a stickler...but your note just hit me in that odd way some things do. Clinton could have said he was a choir boy who retained his virginity and Chelsea was a product of emmaculate conception if he'd wanted to. That wouldn't have gotten him anything but hate from the public. Nothing criminal for that stage of it. He did lie under oath and that's what zapped him. Lying when the truth would serve them better. The hallmark of a career politician.
President Clinton was impeached by the House, but acquitted by vote of the Senate. The House approved two articles of impeachment against the President stemming from the President’s response to a sexual harassment civil lawsuit and to a subsequent grand jury investigation instigated by an Independent Counsel. The first article charged the President with committing perjury in testifying before the grand jury about his sexual relationship with a White House intern and his efforts to cover it up;808 the second article charged the President with obstruction of justice relating both to the civil lawsuit and to the grand jury proceedings.
They can lie like a cheap rug, as long as it's not during an official proceeding as I understand it.
Originally posted by sean
Obama giving approval on T.V. to allow violations of 4th amendment to commence with his data mining operation. If that isn't impeachable offense I don't know what is. All hail dictator Obama.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by elouina
This whole issue carries the stink of rot. Decay of the American soul. Our appointed public servants swore to uphold the Constitution and Rights held within it.
They have abused the rights they swore to uphold. Any and every politician who knows/knew of the abuses and failed to stop or defend those rights deserves nothing put a pink slip and a size 13 up their collective asses to kick them out of office.
This is disgusting. I am disgusted. Republicans and democrats who abused our rights deserve nothing but absolute scorn!