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Google - More Guilty Than The Pirate Bay for Piracy of Illegal Material

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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And yet no one is trying to shut Google or YouTube down. Why is this?

On Google the search engine you can find all manner of illegal sites from porn (pirated) to how to make bombs and anything in between. Google which owns YouTube is responsible for actually HOSTING the billions of illegal songs on YouTube. This is in contrast to The Pirate Bay which people want to take down yet they do not host any illegal copies of anything.

What say you? Hypocrisy? Double Standard? No one is screaming or even making a small fuss over this.

Sure if someone complains enough about a certain video they will take it down but it can be argued that is just a pacifier to allow them to continue to get away with allowing illegal material on YouTube. If they were serious, they would police themselves and not allow or take down illegal material within 24 hours.

Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame was one of the defendants in the law suit against The Pirate Bay (he sided with the music industry) and yet.. Smashing Pumpkins music and videos are all over YouTube - Billy knows this.. Billy Corgan has his own YouTube channel.

My point is, something stinks in OZ and I'll bet it's all about money - not money form the pretend lost revenue of pirated songs, but who has the clout and the image you wanna be associated with. How can we expect anyone not to be involved with illegal piracy when the big companies can get away with immunity?




posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Sure if someone complains enough about a certain video they will take it down but it can be argued that is just a pacifier to allow them to continue to get away with allowing illegal material on YouTube. If they were serious, they would police themselves and not allow or take down illegal material within 24 hours.


Well first of all there isn't complaining involved. When you make a claim with few pushes of a button the video gets flagged immediately. That's how the process works. Video gets flagged, the uploader of the video of is notified and they can then counter-claim.
Also to police a site the size of YT themselves is impossible. They do have automatic systems in place to detect copyrighted material.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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That's what I meant by complaining enough - hitting the button to flag the video.

Too big to police? That's rather convenient After the fact don't you think? Google has the money and resources they could have done it as soon as they took over YouTube. All they would have had to do is change their policy and stick to it. So you saying it's o.k. to do anything illegal if you make an unstoppable runaway train to do it?

I do not believe they have software to automatically detect copyrighted material - there is No Way any algorithm can know whats copyrighted or not from copies of video and audio..



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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Google isn't responsible for content hosted on other sites found via a search. And YouTube pulls copyrighted materials if they are flagged, but a majority of the content falls under fair use or is uploaded by the content owner's. All music video's attached to a VEVO account are uploaded by the artists or their labels so it's not pirated. Song's with lyrics added are considered used under fair use. Anything else needs to be flagged by the copyright holder to be removed but most don't bother especially older video's that play on basic cable. Also some materials copyrights have expired and are allowed to be freely shared such as older classic movies, an television shows.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:27 AM
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There are metadata tags embedded in copyrighted materials that the software flags to prevent uploads. Its called DRM, Digital Rights Management. It's embedded in all current video and audio discs as well as games and software since 2008 or so.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
Google isn't responsible for content hosted on other sites found via a search. And YouTube pulls copyrighted materials if they are flagged, but a majority of the content falls under fair use or is uploaded by the content owner's. All music video's attached to a VEVO account are uploaded by the artists or their labels so it's not pirated. Song's with lyrics added are considered used under fair use. Anything else needs to be flagged by the copyright holder to be removed but most don't bother especially older video's that play on basic cable. Also some materials copyrights have expired and are allowed to be freely shared such as older classic movies, an television shows.


Yeah I know all that and am not concerned with it. I'm talking about the new stuff.. say less than 10 years old or even 5 years old that you KNOW are still copy protected. These billions of songs are uploaded by regular people.. full albums even and there are tons that never get taken down that have been on youtube for years.

I know it may not be practical to "clean" youtube but my point is no one is making a fuss about it at all and i feel that is very odd.. especially since they are actually hosting the illegal material.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
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There are metadata tags embedded in copyrighted materials that the software flags to prevent uploads. Its called DRM, Digital Rights Management. It's embedded in all current video and audio discs as well as games and software since 2008 or so.


You know that's a pacifier for the public right.. you know it doesn't work right? You do know all those games, video's and music CD's still get copied and uploaded as easy as pie don't you? If that really worked, there would not be a problem with piracy today. Ripping software for audio and video easily circumvents any DRM in the data. You rip a copy then that clean copy gets uploaded. No one is going to be silly enough to try to directly upload a video or CD right to youtube.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:39 AM
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"Google's YouTube is celebrating its 8-year birthday, and at the same time they reveal some interesting numbers. 'Today, more than 100 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute. That's more than four days of video uploaded each minute!


Seems easy enough to monitor. 1400 minutes in a day x 100 hours of media = 140,000 hours per day of media.

140,000 / 8 hour work day = 17,500 employees

17,500 employees x average salary of ~$27,000 = $472,500,000

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:40 AM
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They get the same pass the big banks get.
Too big to fail, too big to know everything that goes on so therefore cannot be held accountable.
Sure, they can accept Billions in drug money, sell bogus contracts, fail to execute contract - it doesn't matter and they will get away with it.
A kind of corporate club with limited membership, unlimited access to power, zero accountability.
Yet they expect every single one of us to obey every single law they flaunt continually.
Yep, you got it just about right there Phoenix.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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I love pirate bay. I love youtube, I love the google.
But in all honesty, I am rooting for and will always root for, "The Pirate Bay", my saving grace. hehe



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 02:02 AM
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One reason no one makes a big stink is because YT doesn't host it for download, it's intended to stream so people assume the content isn't being respread far and wide, even tho there are ways to download from YT but the quality is less than stellar. The Pirate Bay is just as untouchable as YT is tho cuz they are hosted in a country that doesn't recognize US copyright laws. That's the other thing with YT is uploaders aren't all in countries that recognize our copyright laws which makes it tricky to enforce. Some stuff isn't available in some countries due to that, but it's still available in others. This whole piracy stuff is pretty much a huge fustercluck and honestly I couldn't care less of those rich Hollyweird bastards lose a few bucks here or there. They make disgusting amounts of money as it is. It's not like they're gonna go bankrupt cuz I didn't buy their movies or cd's. Hell if I didn't pirate them I wouldn't buy em anyways, I never go to the theaters so they really aren't losing any money from me anyways cuz I had no intentions of giving it to them to begin with. If I download something and it's actually good I end up buying it to add to my collection, so they should look at it as free advertising. Kind of try before you buy.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Too big to police? That's rather convenient After the fact don't you think? Google has the money and resources they could have done it as soon as they took over YouTube. All they would have had to do is change their policy and stick to it.


By the time they took over the site it was already huge. And a rather nice chunck of that was copyrighted material. No changes in policies would've worked. The only thing that would've worked was to wipe the whole site clean. And even then it would be ok for a few hours, perhaps a day.



So you saying it's o.k. to do anything illegal if you make an unstoppable runaway train to do it?


And where exactly did I say that?



I do not believe they have software to automatically detect copyrighted material - there is No Way any algorithm can know whats copyrighted or not from copies of video and audio..


It's not a matter of faith, it's a fact. If you have trouble gasping that then feel free to try it out yourself. It's by no means full proof but it's a bitch.

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Youtube is a service provider. You make it sound like they upload copyrighted material by themselves. Same goes for every other service provider. If I were to upload copyrighted material on ATS would ATS be to blame? No. If I mail a bootleg cd does the post office commit a crime by delivering it? No.
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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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YouTube, Google AND Facebook were all funded 100 percent by a firm called In-Q-Tel.

Look it up. Well, you're all too lazy, it is a CIA FRONT. No question about it.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
Google isn't responsible for content hosted on other sites found via a search. And YouTube pulls copyrighted materials if they are flagged, but a majority of the content falls under fair use or is uploaded by the content owner's. All music video's attached to a VEVO account are uploaded by the artists or their labels so it's not pirated. Song's with lyrics added are considered used under fair use. Anything else needs to be flagged by the copyright holder to be removed but most don't bother especially older video's that play on basic cable. Also some materials copyrights have expired and are allowed to be freely shared such as older classic movies, an television shows.


Why aren't they an accessory after the fact? The person accessing the material wouldn't have had that ability without Google.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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Yes they would. There are plenty of other search engines. Google isn't unique they just happen to be the most popular. AOL has been around a lot longer than Google, there's also Bing, duck-duck-go and a whole slew of smaller search engines around. Some even get far more and better results than Google does. So don't go acting like Google is the only key to the internet.
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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:29 AM
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I don't use google - but they're linked into Bing and msm and dogpile and anyother search engine you use - I hate facebook, but they are too....

CIA is just looking at everything on the internet.

# those people. Steal everything you can.

I'm looking at the NSA suit - hoping to get some money- haha - out of it.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
reply to post by Bilk22
 


Yes they would. There are plenty of other search engines. Google isn't unique they just happen to be the most popular. AOL has been around a lot longer than Google, there's also Bing, duck-duck-go and a whole slew of smaller search engines around. Some even get far more and better results than Google does. So don't go acting like Google is the only key to the internet.
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If they are an accessory to the crime, then they helped. You understand that?

PS Accessory after the fact was the wrong term. Google is an accessory. They are the conduit to the illegal material.



posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Bilk22
They are the conduit to the illegal material.


So is your ISP. Every ISP in the world. Every electricty company. Every computer maker. etc. So yeah no...



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