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Originally posted by flexy123
Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
reply to post by flexy123
I would disagree with the common perspective that "animals" are lesser than humans. Humans ARE animals. A unique animal, like all other animals.
I would disagree that suicides are "wasted lives". Any lessons already learned, are retained. You dont magically lose knowledge for some essentially arbitrary reason. Knowledge gained is knowledge gained.
I was also HEAVILY against the idea that animals are "lesser" souls, but it's probably just a matter of using the wrong terms. I don't *think* there are "lesser" or "better" souls. And of course I don't see (most ) animals lesser than humans, for sure not. But it sounded plausible to me to read that animals, although they HAVE a soul, cannot (like we can)...yes."shape-shift" their soul and appear in any form they wish for other souls. This, in some way, made sense to me. The important thing is that the soul, the "true spirit" of the animal "survives" in the same way as we do, just with less advanced "abilities".
As for the suicide, yes I was thinking about whether to use the phrase "wasted", but didn't find a better word for it. You are sure right saying that any lessons so far will be learned, and of course they will stay and the suicide will not erase those lessons. But it's my understanding that suicides (and actually ALL violent murders) are actions which I understand were not planned as part of the life lesson. Means, the lesson was prematurely aborted respective the hardships in life became too much that this was seen as the only solution while the soul might have probably chosen this very particular life with the firm intention to master the hardship, not to halt the life and basically capitulating from the challenge.
Originally posted by 1questioner
reply to post by flexy123
My personal experiences and my research have led me to generally the same conclusions as you. I’ve been thinking about creating a thread like this, so I’m glad you created it first.
I’m sure many ATS members will find your (my) conclusions difficult to accept, but every year science gets closer to realizing that consciousness survives death. For those members who wish to research the subject, I recommend they read of the work of reincarnation and near death experiences at the University of Virginia School Of Medicine:
The work of Dr. Brian Weiss:
do they touch on the life review in that 12 part, link ???