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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Byrd
Baked clay does break down over thousands of years (otherwise we'd have a lot more cuneiform tablets)
Yet we have those very same 5,000 year old clay tablets [Whether fired or not ] still around don't we?
Plastic will be around for thousands of years but will a hand held device still function say after the batteries that power them explode or rupture and or corrode?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Byrd
I wanted to thank you for showing me Su Song's clock tower. I never knew about that and it is utterly amazing!
China's history has quickly become one of my favorite topics in recent times, Korea, Japan, and others like Siam as well. Always find something new and mind blowing.edit on 15-6-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)edit on 15-6-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)
It is a copy of the night notebook of a Sumerian astronomer as he records the events in the sky before dawn on the 29 June 3123 BC (Julian calendar). Half the tablet records planet positions and cloud cover, the same as any other night, but the other half of the tablet records an object large enough for its shape to be noted even though it is still in space. The astronomers made an accurate note of its trajectory relative to the stars, which to an error better than one degree is consistent with an impact at Köfels.
Originally posted by oldmeatwad
to quote Kip . . . . Like anyone can actually know that Napoleon
This dock may have been destroyed many times and the oldest of ancient knowledge may truly be lost.
This of course is all meaningless if we ourselves are fabricating this slice of the quantum veil
Originally posted by Hanslune
There is no evidence that we 'reset' world wide advanced technological civilization every 26,000 years (but it is a beloved fringe meme) there is however an immense amount of evidence that we did't. You might want to look at ice cores, sediment cores and particularly archaeological site with long stratigraphic records some going back over a stretch of 350,000 years there is no sign of the 'reset civilization' and lots of signs of mans slow development to cultures then civilizations.
Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Hanslune
I have seen the pink granite obelisks and some of the details in those hieroglyphs are minute. According to archeologists granite was cut with copper saws shaped by beating chunks out of it with stone balls/hammers and then lapped to smooth the surface. Obviously you cant use that method to carve hieroglyphs?
Originally posted by Hadrian
The premise implied may be that a qualification for determining the achievement level of technological advancement may be the durability of that technology or the durability of the communication of that technology. I'm not sure this has inherently or traditionally been an accepted criteria.
One of the often cited pitfalls of the speed of our technology has been the lamentable disposable nature of it. For example, it seems there will be soon significantly fewer paper books in the world than ten years ago. Floppy disks, 8-tracks and other types of storage mechanism have come and gone, replaced and sometimes forgotten.
However, if one of the actual intentions of the information was its ability to remain viable over extended periods of time, I have confidence that we can currently meet that challenge better than it has ever been met before. Again, I'm not so sure that has been routinely a goal in our age. Of course, there are indications this is changing in various areas like experts are exploring how to convey the hazards of nuclear waste for indefinite periods.
But for me, there's no question that the level of the knowledge that we currently possess and have access to is incontrovertibly far, far more advanced than at any other time. Any available evidence I'm aware of does not indicate otherwise.
It's probably a very good thing, in general, that we are pondering methods of storing that knowledge and technology so that it isn't lost and so that resets aren't so wholly complete do-overs. Preservation of advancement may turn out to be the great challenge of civilization - perhaps more so than accumulation of knowledge or the advancement itself. Because ultimately, it's going to boil down to man vs. nature and we know who always wins that contest.
"The 'Mysteries' are, in the last analysis, the true source of revelation...There are planetary energies and forces which men as yet cannot and do not control; they know nothing of them and yet upon them the life of the planet is dependent; they are also closely related to the despised psychic powers...these powers...will prove of enormous usefulness in the sciences which the Mysteries will reveal." (The Teachings of the Christ, Alice Bailey, Lucis Trust)"
"These ancient Mysteries were originally given to humanity by the Hierarchy and contain the entire clue to the evolutionary process, hidden in numbers, in ritual, in words and in symbology; these veil the secret of man's origin and destiny, picturing to him, in rite and ritual, the long, long path which he must tread, back into the light. They provide also (when rightly interpreted and correctly represented) the teaching which humanity needs in order to pass from darkness to Light, from the unreal to the Real and from death to Immortality."
(The Reappearance of the Christ. p.121/22)
"He [newage christ] will also revive these Mysteries in other ways...The true Mysteries will also reveal themselves through science...The Mysteries contain, within their formulas and teachings, the key to the science which will unlock the mystery of Electricity - the greatest spiritual science and area of divine knowledge in the world, the fringes of which have only just been touched...Only when the Hierarchy is present visibly on Earth and the Mysteries [...] given openly to the world, will the true secret and nature of Electrical Phenomena be revealed..
There is one aspect of initiation which is apt to be overlooked. Every initiation is a process of energy transmission from a higher center of energy to a lower; every INITIATION CHARGES THE INITIATE WITH ELECTRICAL FORCE, and this charging and re-charging is related to what H.P.B. calls "the mystery of electricity." These transmissions of energy enhance the magnetic-attractive force of the INITIATE, and at the same time are eliminative in their effects. In this fact lies a great planetary truth and the key to the science of planetary redemption. When the spiritual and the  electrical charging of the three major centers on the planet - Shamballa, the Hierarchy and Humanity - has reached a high stage of receptive efficiency, a certain cosmic Avatar will "become conscious of the vibratory quality of the little point of light within the solar sphere" and will then "turn His gaze and send His force unto that point of light, and cosmic evil will be driven out and find no more a place on Earth."
Two more initiations remain to be considered, but so high is their potency and so mysterious their working that I find myself unable to deal with them in any way....www.ngsm.org...
Originally posted by grandmakdw
If a global catastrophe happens, our culture will be lost entirely and far future generations will believe civilization began when humans crawl out of the catastrophe which created a new stone age. We have done nothing concrete (pun intended) except for the Georgia guidestone to pass on any of our civilization or accomplishments. Even the seed vault will just be a mystery anomaly just as the pyramids are today.
The underground shelters for the elite will leave a group of people with practically zero skills to care for themselves and who are selfish and have the notion that others will always serve them and do the dirty work needed to survive. They will quickly implode.
Consider the vast majority of humans today have zero skills to survive a catastrophe. No farming skills, no animal husbandry skills, no spinning or weaving skills, no skills to build a solid shelter, no means to obtain the information lost to survive. All our survival skills are relegated to the few, and the few who have these skills will become fewer.
Our "advanced" civilization will become a legend like Atlantis.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Yep you can cut granite with SAND that is driven or directed by a copper or bronze saw - you can even use wood but it tends to wear out real quick - yep and work was done with diorite hammers. Sure you can you just do it with small hammers, sand and lots of elbow grease.
Again if you really, firmly believe its impossible offer up that prize - what do you have to lose?
Why don't you get a piece of granite and try rubbing it with sand for a few hours ( I have) let us know what happens? Yep it might take many months or even years but it works, try it and report back.
Astrology, however, has at least three important advantages over all other arts of prediction - the divine nature of stars, the universality of celestial phenomena and the fact that these phenomena could be forecasted.