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Washington Post - Classified Docs Reveal Obama Upcoming Africa trip cost up to 100 Million $$

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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

The president and first lady had also planned to take a Tanzanian safari as part of the trip, which would have required the president’s special counterassault team to carry sniper rifles with high-caliber rounds that could neutralize cheetahs, lions or other animals if they became a threat, according to the planning document.


I appreciate the president may need more security than your average person, but really special counter assault team, with high-caliber rounds to deal with animals.......isn't that over kill?




edit on 14-6-2013 by christafinias because: Typo




posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
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my anaolgy is absolutely fine because he's running this country, which is like a coporation, and he's laying off workers while taking lavish vacations on the company dime.

but he's laying off employees and spending needed money on his wife and kids and that is wrong, no matter how you look at it.


Talk to Boiner and McConnell about the public sector layoffs. No one that knows anything about the economic mess we're in honestly believes that the bizarre European-style austerity strategy that the Congressional GOP has forced on us (through filibusters and other arcane legislative tactics) is NOT the main reason why public sector workers are being laid off. Only people getting paid to blame Obama are blaming him for that.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by christafinias

Originally posted by FlyersFan

The president and first lady had also planned to take a Tanzanian safari as part of the trip, which would have required the president’s special counterassault team to carry sniper rifles with high-caliber rounds that could neutralize cheetahs, lions or other animals if they became a threat, according to the planning document.


I appreciate the president may need more security than your average person nut really special counterassault team, with high-caliber rounds to deal with animals.......isn't that over kill?


The Secret Service specializes in overkill. Since Kennedy, that's what they do best and most.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:25 PM
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Osama would pay any amount of some one else's money to take the family to his home Kenya... Have you seen how bad some areas of africa are? There are more than a few countries in Africa, you can't go anywhere with out armed guards if you are wearing shoes, let alone the president of the USA.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by hamburgerler

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Indigo5
..FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.

The FLOTUS and kiddos are going on the trip because it's a family vacation disguised as an official visit. Goodwill ambassadors or whatever. There is no way that Obama is going to reimburse the US Government 60-100 million to pay for this boondoggle, nor the family vacation to Germany and Ireland that are also this month.


Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS is a purely diplomatic mission to Africa; as the HuffPost says: to raise AIDS awareness.

Lovely.
Spending 60-100 million of our tax money just to supposedly raise 'AIDS awareness in Africa?
1 - My tax money is better spent HERE in the USA.
2 - Everyone already is aware of AIDS. It's been around for 40 years.
3 - It's a family vacation with a flimsy cover story.


That is what you want to believe

You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


Not to mention that it's being prepped for bio-fuel production on a massive scale. That's significant.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by hamburgerler

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Indigo5
..FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.

The FLOTUS and kiddos are going on the trip because it's a family vacation disguised as an official visit. Goodwill ambassadors or whatever. There is no way that Obama is going to reimburse the US Government 60-100 million to pay for this boondoggle, nor the family vacation to Germany and Ireland that are also this month.


Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS is a purely diplomatic mission to Africa; as the HuffPost says: to raise AIDS awareness.

Lovely.
Spending 60-100 million of our tax money just to supposedly raise 'AIDS awareness in Africa?
1 - My tax money is better spent HERE in the USA.
2 - Everyone already is aware of AIDS. It's been around for 40 years.
3 - It's a family vacation with a flimsy cover story.


That is what you want to believe

You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


Not to mention that it's being prepped for bio-fuel production on a massive scale. That's significant.


Can't say that because that doesn't make Obama sound like a Commie scumbag.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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I find this trip suspious because of what he needs to take on this trip...

I just pray that the sink hole in Lousiana doesn't blow this country wide open while he's on vacation....

I'm concerned that this will blow while the Obama's are on vacation in Africa...we're put on a state of emergency. The elections are canceled and obama stays President. All in the meantime our country is destroyed by this disaster and we're left for dead. And those that survive will have to decide to follow orders or be sent off to some camp to be gassed...In other words prepare for the worst and hope for the best...stay safe.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by hamburgerler

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by hamburgerler

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Indigo5
..FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.

The FLOTUS and kiddos are going on the trip because it's a family vacation disguised as an official visit. Goodwill ambassadors or whatever. There is no way that Obama is going to reimburse the US Government 60-100 million to pay for this boondoggle, nor the family vacation to Germany and Ireland that are also this month.


Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS is a purely diplomatic mission to Africa; as the HuffPost says: to raise AIDS awareness.

Lovely.
Spending 60-100 million of our tax money just to supposedly raise 'AIDS awareness in Africa?
1 - My tax money is better spent HERE in the USA.
2 - Everyone already is aware of AIDS. It's been around for 40 years.
3 - It's a family vacation with a flimsy cover story.


That is what you want to believe

You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


Not to mention that it's being prepped for bio-fuel production on a massive scale. That's significant.


Can't say that because that doesn't make Obama sound like a Commie scumbag.


I generally stay out of these rant threads. Most people in them seem to actually think you can run a government like a business, and that comparing their own vacations with a major diplomatic outreach like this one is anything but drunk talk in a cowboy bar. It can get pretty frustrating if you take these folks seriously, even though I'm sure that there are a small percentage of them that really believe the stuff they post about this sort of thing.

If a nation was ever actually run like a corporation the result would either be Nazi Germany or Lord of the Flies within a year's time. Within 5 years, there'd be wholesale mayhem in every major city, with the police walking off on it all like they did in New Orleans after Katrina. No one's dumb enough to actually try running a nation as if it were a business. They talk like they would, but when in the job of running it, they know better than to ever try making business decisions in a job like that.
edit on 6/14/2013 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Trueman
If he wants to go vacations with the family, he got to pay for it. If he is taking the family with him in a business trip, he got to pay for the family too.


Repeating myself now...He DOES pay for it...FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.


Sorry, I don't believe he is paying for it. Even if he shows the bill. I don't believe him at all. You do?????



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 05:51 PM
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Dont ask me for details on what, because I dont have them and wont attempt to make them up


That only means you have no idea if he is paying and what is he paying. But you still want to defend him.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


You got to be kidding. If that's the plan....., then we're dead.

....And don't mention the chinese, they probably make more jokes than us about him.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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I'm also suspious of the timing...out of the country on July 4th...

For those that say we need to blame Congress...Let me just say that the President has the power to change his plans. Just because congress will give the okay doesn't mean he has to spend it.

For those that say he will be working...read my post above...Yeah he'll be working all right.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by christafinias

Originally posted by FlyersFan

The president and first lady had also planned to take a Tanzanian safari as part of the trip, which would have required the president’s special counterassault team to carry sniper rifles with high-caliber rounds that could neutralize cheetahs, lions or other animals if they became a threat, according to the planning document.


I appreciate the president may need more security than your average person, but really special counter assault team, with high-caliber rounds to deal with animals.......isn't that over kill?




edit on 14-6-2013 by christafinias because: Typo


Hes obviously not Teddy Roosevelt is he. In total seriousness ever try to take out a cheetah with an asault rifle they get in to close and there awfully fast.
Really dont know why the secret service cant handle a cheetah.wait a minute yeah i do there hung over from the party the night before with hookers.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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He can't even count on the Secret Service to do their job is sad...

Not!!!

I can see the headline now...Cheetah eats US President on a $100 Million dollar vacation for free.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Trueman

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Trueman
If he wants to go vacations with the family, he got to pay for it. If he is taking the family with him in a business trip, he got to pay for the family too.


Repeating myself now...He DOES pay for it...FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.


Sorry, I don't believe he is paying for it. Even if he shows the bill. I don't believe him at all. You do?????


He doesn't pay near the cost He just has to find out the cost of roundtrip tickets for him and the family coach airfare.Then cost of stay at local hotel not the one he actually stays at he can use the motel 6 if he wants. Then any excursions total cost to Obama maybe 15000.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by hamburgerler
 





You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


You got to be kidding. If that's the plan....., then we're dead.

....And don't mention the chinese, they probably make more jokes than us about him.


It sound like you you think 1 part of a plan constitutes the entire plan...

America is very close to be surpassed by the Chinese, culturally speaking,it does help that Obama is black.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by flyswatter
 


so, you're telling me the cost of the trip, whatever it is, is not impacted by the first lady and the girls tagging along? you're saying there's no added cost for security?

my anaolgy is absolutely fine because he's running this country, which is like a coporation, and he's laying off workers while taking lavish vacations on the company dime.

it's like the head of GE flying, first class, to DC to discuss the bailouts whilst laying off workers and asking for more money from the gov't.

it's wrong. plain and simple.

if these were better economic times, and we weren't in unprecedented debt troubles, I'd have no problem with the president taking a vacation with his family and spending any amount of money on that vacation.

but he's laying off employees and spending needed money on his wife and kids and that is wrong, no matter how you look at it.



No, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying its not affected by the family going. What I am saying is that some of the costs that John Doe would have by taking his family on the trip would not be run into as extras on this trip by the President, simply because some of those things are happening anyway, regardless of the family being there. There is certainly some extra cost, but things like the cost of the plane ticket and lodging would not be among the extras. The plane is going with or without them, and I'm going to venture a somewhat educated guess that the same amount of lodging area will be blocked off from non-Presidential visitors regardless of their presence. As I said, extra costs would be things like the cost of transporting the extra vehicles (assuming they cant just squeeze them in with the non-extras), extra activities done specifically due to the family being there, etc. Its not really difficult to separate the costs out like that.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by hamburgerler

Originally posted by Trueman
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You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.


You got to be kidding. If that's the plan....., then we're dead.

....And don't mention the chinese, they probably make more jokes than us about him.


It sound like you you think 1 part of a plan constitutes the entire plan...

America is very close to be surpassed by the Chinese, culturally speaking,it does help that Obama is black.


And what is the rest of the plan? Your comment means that you know it, so share it with us.

Ready to read your next post : "It's classified".



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by flyswatter
 





Dont ask me for details on what, because I dont have them and wont attempt to make them up


That only means you have no idea if he is paying and what is he paying. But you still want to defend him.


Its not about him, its about the office being held, and the fact that any President would have to pay the same. I'm simply stating above that I do know there are costs that have to be reimbursed, but I do not specifically know EXACTLY which costs those are because I do not have the time or the desire to go looking for those details. If you are concerned about it, at least a limited amount of that information is out there.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by Trueman

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Trueman
If he wants to go vacations with the family, he got to pay for it. If he is taking the family with him in a business trip, he got to pay for the family too.


Repeating myself now...He DOES pay for it...FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.


Sorry, I don't believe he is paying for it. Even if he shows the bill. I don't believe him at all. You do?????


He doesn't pay near the cost He just has to find out the cost of roundtrip tickets for him and the family coach airfare.Then cost of stay at local hotel not the one he actually stays at he can use the motel 6 if he wants. Then any excursions total cost to Obama maybe 15000.


Still too much. I'd give him nothing, no money no trip,....nothing. He doesn't deserve vacations.




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