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Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by crawdad1914
reply to post by Indigo5
Off topic a bit (my bad) but assuming you are referencing the "ghost cities" and other commercial interests shown there by the Chinese, yeah they are definitely putting a ton of effort into the continent.
I have a friend in Mombasa, an ex-pat, and last I talked to him he said it was mind-boggling. He said it was like little China. They are everywhere and Africa loves the Chinese, where ever they appear, gravy follows...roads, schools etc. In return China locks up business, trade deals, resources. We are behind the eight-ball there.edit on 14-6-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by Indigo5
the salaries are paid regardless but I highly doubt the president remiburses the gov't for the cost of their flights, their lodging, their food, etc.
airfare is around $2k roundtrip, each.
Hotel? $500-$800 a night.
for god knows how many secret service people they need.
I bet the cost of the entrouage needed to protect the first lady and the kids, for this trip is at least a million dollars.
Originally posted by flyswatter
Many of the people that complain about the cost of a trip like this also seem to complain about any money going to other countries in general. They scream "take care of the problems at home, give all foreign aid money to people here."
Well, we see how well non-intervention and isolationism has worked for the US in the past. (Here's a hint - not at all).
Originally posted by Trueman
If he wants to go vacations with the family, he got to pay for it. If he is taking the family with him in a business trip, he got to pay for the family too.
Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by flyswatter
no one said anything about isolationism. The cost is between 60 and 100 million dollars for The entire[/] Obama family to go to africa, Ireland etc. If you remove Michelle and the kids from the trip, you reduce the cost of the trip and, honestly, they are there on vacation while the President works. When a family is struggling, they don't take vacations. When a company is struggling, they cut out benefits that are not eseesntial for the ongoing operation of said business.
Our family is struggling, our business is struggling, and a 100 million dollar excursion for the President's kids to see zebras is wasteful. There's a zoo in DC.
White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes says the president will get "great bang for the buck" out of his Africa trip later this month:
Rhodes says there'll be "a great bang for the buck" for US foreign policy as a result of Pres Obama's trip to Africa at month's end.
Originally posted by Trueman
Originally posted by flyswatter
Many of the people that complain about the cost of a trip like this also seem to complain about any money going to other countries in general. They scream "take care of the problems at home, give all foreign aid money to people here."
Well, we see how well non-intervention and isolationism has worked for the US in the past. (Here's a hint - not at all).
Look man...., the guy sucks and everybody can see that. Pointless to deny it......, and this is one of those with lots of evidence.
For some reason, I believe if other guy do the same things he did, will have better results. If he wants to go vacations with the family, he got to pay for it. If he is taking the family with him in a business trip, he got to pay for the family too.
I personally believe he is dropping resumes and filling applications around the world, do you know what I mean??
Originally posted by Indigo5
..FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.
Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS is a purely diplomatic mission to Africa; as the HuffPost says: to raise AIDS awareness.
Originally posted by Crakeur
but he cancelled the safari. doesn't that count for something?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Indigo5
..FLOTUS and KIDS and Personal expeditions...all re-imbursed to gov., except for Secret Service, cuz they can't tell Sec Service to stay home...their presense is mandatory.
The FLOTUS and kiddos are going on the trip because it's a family vacation disguised as an official visit. Goodwill ambassadors or whatever. There is no way that Obama is going to reimburse the US Government 60-100 million to pay for this boondoggle, nor the family vacation to Germany and Ireland that are also this month.
Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS is a purely diplomatic mission to Africa; as the HuffPost says: to raise AIDS awareness.
Lovely. Spending 60-100 million of our tax money just to supposedly raise 'AIDS awareness in Africa?
1 - My tax money is better spent HERE in the USA.
2 - Everyone already is aware of AIDS. It's been around for 40 years.
3 - It's a family vacation with a flimsy cover story.
Originally posted by Crakeur
All presidents travelled, many times taking family members along for the ride.
Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by Indigo5
travelocity for the flights came up with a range of flights from 1800 (one stop over) to in excess of 2500. I used 2k as it was on the lower end of the cost. This is a flight from DC to Africa. Long flight, large cost.
The hotel they stay at is going to be the same as the POTUS. Granted, not the same room but the president doesn't stay at holiday inn when he travels. In NYC the president stays at the Waldorf Astoria. Rooms range from $325 to $800 (much higher but I doubt we're getting the secret service those 8k a night suites). It's doubtful the secret service are scattered throughout the hotel as they are probably stationed on the same floor as the president and the floors above and below so they will be renting out whatever rooms are on those floors.
All presidents travelled, many times taking family members along for the ride. I don't have issues with that but I do have a problem with a president taking expensive trips on the taxpayers' collective dime when we are cutting salaries for gov't employees, and cutting programs because the current group of politicians can't control the epic debt this country is in.
It's really very simple. Let's say you are self-employed and you need to travel to Asia for business. Normally, you take your wife and kids along for the ride because it's an opportunity for them to see a country they might not normall get to see. Now let's add that the current economic atmosphere has resulted in your income going down while your expenses have stayed the same, or gone higher. Do you bring them along? No.
Whether he pays for some part of the trip, or not, it's a bad move by the president. It shows the rest of the country, the folks struggling, the employees you furloughed, that you're different from them, more important. He should have, instead, put the money the gov't is spending to cover his wife and children towards the programs he's cut, the employees he's furloughed or the rampant debt he, and the rest of DC, can't get under control.
Originally posted by hamburgerler
That is what you want to believe
You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.
It's a financial black hole for us
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by hamburgerler
That is what you want to believe
No .. I"m looking at the facts.
You ignore the fact that Africa could add a whole new revenue stream to the American economy which is currently being hoarded by Chinese interests.
You ignore the fact that Africa is not .. and wont' be ... a whole new revenue stream to the US economy. Africa is dirt poor and no visit by any US POTUS has changed that. We pump AID money into Africa and we get nothing in return. It's a financial black hole for us.
Financial black hole ... 60-100 million spent to send the first family over for 'aids awareness'. That's not a revenue income seeking trip for the USA. It's spending tens of millions and we get nothing. And the Africans get nothing as well.