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Snowden drops bombshell about China

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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:17 PM
reply to post by neo96

Better than us at......?
They steal Military secrets better then us compared to how much we have to spend on espionage a year.


I wouldn't worry about the apologists. They are just so frustrated with life that they crap where they eat.

Saying a monster like China is anything benevolent is asinine. They have a comparable death toll to the US, just of their own people instead of foreign combatants like the US.

Also none of the apologists notice that China is not stealing water filtration technology. They like MILITARY secrets and industrial secrets which could be applied militarily or to harm our economy.

But, no....poor China.

It is not that we try to asses how much they steal and sabotage their

...We steal from them because they are really innovative......That`s it.

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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:31 PM

Snowden, a 29-year-old American who blew the whistle on the US National Security Agency’s surveillance program, said he believed there had been more than 61,000 NSA hacking operations globally, with hundreds of targets in Hong Kong and on the mainland

Liu said China would need to invent its own IPv6 identification system, or computer operating system that would be equivalent to the Windows system.


Hmm.. this is an interesting idea from China. Maybe they will just use a giant Network Address Translation for their country.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:40 PM
If Snowden had stayed in the US and simply protested domestic surveillance then I might have had some sympathy for him ; even though I would have thought he was a misguided idealist.

But to sit in Chinese territory giving details of US hacking just makes him an out and out traitor.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:49 PM
The Chinese already know all our secrets. We let them walk away from Los Alamos with them.

This guy better have a little more info than he has given so far.

And why go to Chinese Territory? Either this kid is real messed up.

Or something else is going on here.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by stirling

DARPA created the internet,do you really think it hasn't been recorded?

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by whyamIhere
The Chinese already know all our secrets. We let them walk away from Los Alamos with them.

This guy better have a little more info than he has given so far.

And why go to Chinese Territory? Either this kid is real messed up.

Or something else is going on here.

The only useful thing he could know that would have China protect him, is if he had knowledge on the weather warfare program going on.

Other than that, China wouldn't have any interest in him. I bet all the guys working in Intelligence are going to get implanted with nano-tech to give the US of A the ability to remotely.....turn off....people that open their mouths.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 02:03 PM
I would be more surprised if they weren't spying on China. They're spying on a lot of nations, including allies and vice versa.

The thing is though we are told that the Government has nothing to hide, yet they hate whistleblowers. Hmmm.
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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 02:08 PM
Moral of the story:

Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

I guess the US government has forgotten that important tidbit of knowledge.

"When you point a finger, there are three fingers pointing back at you."

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 02:36 PM
The timing is very convenient for the Chinese.

Wonder how long Snowden has been working for them?

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 04:37 PM
This is nothing new and the response from China and the U.S. will always be the same...

All talk, no action...unless it's a virus popping up somewhere to deter hacking. That's as close to a response as we're ever going to give.

From two years ago...

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon, trying to create a formal strategy to deter cyberattacks on the United States, plans to issue a new strategy soon declaring that a computer attack from a foreign nation can be considered an act of war that may result in a military response.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 04:54 PM

Originally posted by crazyewok
Dont see why he is a traitor.

He's NOT...

He is trying to EXPOSE traitors and the truth about what is really going on behind the facade.

Is it more treasonous to violate the Constitution or to expose those violations?

The term "whistle-blower" has been used broadly by his defenders, including Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian reporter who first published documents provided by Snowden detailing the PRISM program to monitor the phone calls and emails of U.S. citizens.

"Every time there's a whistle-blower, somebody who exposes government wrongdoing, the tactic of the government is to try and demonize them as a traitor," Greenwald told ABC News'

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 07:53 PM
Now all we need are some rape claims.
Really hope that Americans have learnt how this goes by now.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 08:18 PM
Meh, China doesn't need to hack the world's computers to steal money for it's economy. Chinese currency farmers do it 24/7 in the video game world in MMORPG games like World of Warcraft all the time, while americans and europeans and people all over the world pay real money for digital video game b.s. and it's completely legal and they've been doing it for what about 15 years now? Makes you wonder how much money has been funneled out of our nation in the video gaming industry.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 08:51 PM
Tencent QQ Chinas largest internet provider.
Management Team

LAU, Chi Ping (Martin Lau) President Martin Lau, President of Tencent. Martin joined Tencent in 2005 as the Chief Strategy and Investment Officer and was responsible for corporate strategies, investment, M&A and investor relations. In 2006, Martin was promoted as President of the Company to assist Pony Ma, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, in managing the day-to-day operation of the Company. In 2007, Martin was appointed as the Executive Director of the Company. Prior to Tencent, Martin was an Executive Director at Goldman Sachs (Asia) L.L.C's investment banking division and the Chief Operating Officer of its Telecom, Media and Technology Group. Prior to that, Martin worked at Mckinsey & Company, Inc. as a management consultant. Martin received his Bachelor of Science Degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Michigan, a Master of Science Degree in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University and an MBA Degree from Kellogg Graduate School of Management, Northwestern University.

He worked at Mckinsey & Company, Inc. He is just the top guy running things. There is a whole list of people from the US running Chinas internet.

Mckinsey & Company, Inc

Notable alumni[edit]Main article: List of McKinsey & Company people McKinsey has produced more CEOs than any other company and is referred to by Fortune magazine as "the best CEO launch pad".[74] More than 70 past and present CEOs at Fortune 500 companies are former McKinsey employees. Among McKinsey’s most notable alumni are: Ian Narev, CEO of Commonwealth Bank of Australia Frank Appel, CEO of Deutsche Post DHL Greg Case, CEO of Aon Plc Vittorio Colao, CEO of Vodafone Chelsea Clinton, daughter of former President Bill Clinton Erik Engstrom, CEO of Reed Elsevier Bernard T. Ferrari, Dean of Johns Hopkins University Carey Business School Russell P. Fradin, CEO of SunGard Harvey Golub, former CEO of American Express and former Chairman of American International Group Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., former chairman and CEO of IBM and chairman of The Carlyle Group James P. Gorman, President and CEO of Morgan Stanley Stephen Green, chairman of HSBC Rajat Gupta, former managing director of McKinsey & Company, co-founder of the Indian School of Business, and corporate board member William Hague, UK Foreign Secretary Mohsin Hamid, Author Moth Smoke, The Reluctant Fundamentalist and How to get filthy rich in rising Asia. Bobby Jindal, current Governor of Louisiana Marius Kloppers, CEO of BHP Billiton Anil Kumar, former senior partner of McKinsey & Company and co-founder of the Indian School of Business Jim Manzi, former CEO of Lotus Development Corporation David McCormick, co-CEO of Bridgewater Associates and former Under Secretary for International Affairs within the United States Department of the Treasury James McNerney, chairman and CEO of Boeing Helmut Panke, former chairman and CEO of BMW AG Corrado Passera, Italian Minister of Development and Minister of Infrastructures, ex-CEO of Intesa Sanpaolo Tom Peters, business management writer and co-author of In Search of Excellence Sheryl Sandberg, COO at Facebook Jonathan Schwartz, former CEO of Sun Microsystems Kevin Sharer, CEO of Amgen Jeffrey Skilling, former CEO of Enron Jonathan Spector, CEO of The Conference Board Tidjane Thiam, CEO of Prudential Plc Adair Turner, Chairman of the Financial Services Authority Peter Wuffli, former CEO of UBS AG

You have a whole list of people who would be tied into spying there. From Cintons daughter to the COO of Facebook, And how about ole Bobby Jindal. Mckinsey & Company, Inc specialist in outsourcing our internet and software to other countries in order to flood them with NSA spyware.
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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 09:03 PM
How about US company aiding Syria and Iran with software to spy on there own citizens? They found out the software was getting regular updates from the US C&Cs. But I am sure it had some viruses. Just like Halliburton and Koch Industries selling all that equipment to Iran to build the nuclear plant that had STUXnet built in from thee factory specially for them.

Bain Capital selling spy equipment to its Chinese partner so they could sell it to Iran.
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posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 09:53 PM
reply to post by PhoenixOD

You don't "plant a spy" by drawing so much attention to him that no government would want to go near him.

As for digging a deeper hole for himself, I don't think digging deeper will change anything. We have seen the result of intelligence leakers such as Bradley Manning. No matter the sensitivity of the information, there is going to be a witch hunt.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 10:30 PM
I really don't know how this is a story. All countries able to hack into other countries computers to gain an advantage of any type do so. U.S. is not innocent. Nor China, Japan, India, Russia, Iran, etc. et al.

Any story that tries to paint the U.S. as demons and the rest of the world as angels really makes me chuckle. ALL countries and their governments have blood on their hands. Espionage is the name of the game. Stop acting as if the U.S. is some evil monster, while other countries are angelic.

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 10:33 PM
I am not suprised, China actually has a whole part of military just to hack foreign networks. Even companies are hacked by the military just to get the domestic companies ones stronger onto the market, just becuase the wars will be fought economically

posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 11:03 PM
I find it hilarious this guy is being labeled a traitor.

Aren't traitors people who help the enemy out?

If he is helping Americans by letting us know the government is spying on us, wouldn't that mean the government sees the American people as the enemy?

Oh the irony!
Our government is a complete JOKE!

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 12:09 AM
Snowden is a little white lie that the propaganda machine is using to promote telling the public what it wants the public to hear. Otherwise the media groups, many run by people with security clearances that come from places like the NSA, would not say a thing. They would write him off as a nutbar if he had lots of merit that could damage the country's reputation.

They're going to heap so many rumors on him that you'd think it was a tabloid. Snowden says there are aliens in washington DC. Snowden says he knows who shot Kennedy. Snowden knows where to find the body of Jimmy Hoffa. Snowden tells you what's inside the Bermuda Triangle.

Snowden says the USA hacks China. No duh. But there is hearsay and there is evidence, which is necessary for those international courts that nations like to throw at one another. The USA's most formal response would likely to write him off as a defector and charge him as such...or what is their first response to silence someone? The psych-out, he's crazy, don't believe him. So why do they propagate his message? To spite him personally? Maybe he is an actor like in other media campaigns about national security.

Here is the problem. At the moment the running security is the status quo even though it's not so legal. People who would want to rip out the corruption are likely to be labeled counter-US, and then there's the new watch list for the newer more invasive secret programs not yet disclosed. So following Snowden who is going to be typecast the revolutionary, and the people who follow the little white lie will find themselves with the evil eye on them.

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