..obviously we all acknowledge the "invisible world"
..we're all just trying to re-integrate with that world, aren't we?
..why is human in this position? ...seemingly seperated?
..the longing for God
You do realize that paganism is rooted in the bible right?
..i've got a deeper appreciation for the bible because
of the things i learned "from the world" (just messing with you) ..i have to
concede, yeah, i've learned a LOT from all the esoteric mumbo-jumbo (test all things) but i'd also have to say the bible teaches me more.. i think
of myself as a reluctant or unwilling christian due to experiences from my early childhood
one thing i will say here, it's the actual putting into practice the "stuff" one learns from the esoteric fields that is the problem for me.. it's
all about intent
and most seem attracted for power and personal gain.. me? i've lived a very interesting life and just want to get to the
bottom of what's going on now.. i've always believed in God, a creator of the universe, that we could actually try to communicate with it, that it
was communicating to us, that it liked us, and that its very nature was "good" (Good/God) hehe.. (un)fortunately
i came to learn that "good"
does not mean "holy"
if this God is "holy", i have to "try" and be that way also if i want to know it
since we're talking about "heaven"..
i look at it this way. when one says "heaven" they kinda imply this - eternity
, eternal life
i think we can all agree on that much so far
the opposing school(s) of thought is reincarnation
and associated beliefs, transmigration of the soul, whatever.. all that "stuff"
...collectively termed "new-age"
the reincarnation model assumes the human (or spirit
,eternal component of the human.. see, this is getting complex already but also gives an
early insight into why heaven is probably not a physical place at all) [...it assumes it] has some degree of control over its
, it's said we choose our life plan, what we want to learn, etc.. you will note how this automatically includes concepts
evolution, cosmology, philosophy and further conjecture
such as different life on other planets, different soul-learning in other places of the
universe and so forth..
^ note how the need for control is related to the plethora of possibilities, all those potential avenues to get there.. a fountain of mindstuff,
similar to neurosis
in some of the eastern systems you can even read about how "one of the dalai lama's moles on his abdomen are said to be vestiges of a previous life
when he was a four armed god" ..ok, so you see what i'm saying there
extrapolate this a little.. what's *that* system of progressive soul (eternal) learning all about?
(and not to jump the gun, but the whole
point of eventually getting ones karmic debt-card down to $0.00 owed, to return back to the place of employment and declare your intention to quit
.. the funny thing is, after a long time of talking about it, most of the reincarnation believers still end up conceding something along the lines of
"..after X amount of incarnations you are free from the karmic wheel"
..so.. it's like.. ok, then
what happens? ..this is that eternity
part again.. because most of them can't say anything else or define
that stage other than "God", you know what i mean? they still end up referring to that part as "heaven" even if they use air-quotes, they then go
on to say heaven is more like summerland, or valhalla, or like that robin williams movie, you know what i mean? ...again it always, always comes back
to "somehow by that stage of completing the karmic wheel you get the ability to control your own soul and its development" .. and i think that's
the key in all this: implied mastery and ownership of ones own soul
.. i think this is how we end up thinking orion might be some kind of
"heaven" (i think i mentioned some stuff above, about how a supposed "resurrection" of bodies could factor into all of this?)
i know all this is a little speculative at this point..
..this is why i emphasized the words 'concepts and conjecture' (dungeons & dragons) back there.. none of the institutions of human thinking are
"rock solid" in their foundations (eg: theory of gravity) ..our ways are not its ways
..everything made by man, as it evolves, gets updated and changes along the way (walkman > discman > mp3 player) it's the same concept but a more
'efficient' process.. that efficiency is linked to the "intent" ..and that certainly seems to be our lot in life, struggling with that inner
nature (for those of us whos eyes are slightly open that is, some folks still seem oblivious to a lot of this)
the bible teaches different.. this world is some kind of test
the "heaven" place (wherever that is) is a place FREE of that inner-struggle (free of the test of this world) free of that part of the human body