Euthanasia for children nears approval by Belgian Parliament

Euthanasia for children nears approval by Belgian Parliament; doctors to mass-euthanize children and Alzheimer's patients

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A proposed law on the verge of approval by the Belgium parliament would allow children to decide for themselves whether they should be euthanized ("killed") by medical personnel. Currently, Belgian law limits euthanasia to persons 18 and older, but with the rise of autistic children thanks to biopesticides, GMOs and vaccines, nations are increasingly trying to figure out what to do with all these children who have been permanently damaged by the medical and biotech industries

I'll just jump right in from the skeptic point of view. IF these children are 'damaged' - how do they, well, KNOW they' are damaged?

Of course. This is bs. It has to be. I mean, wouldn't logic submit - if they are cognizant enough and knowing enough to realize they are 'damaged' they'd know better than to chose death?

Because, of course, a six-year-old isn't old enough to drive a car or buy a beer, but they can certainly consent to being killed by the state... especially if they're already a burden on health care costs.

Oh my - this has got to be a joke - right?

‘Mommy?'
'Yes dear...'
'I'm sorry I’m a burden on the health system. Can I just please go to heaven?’
'Yes dear, I'll take you to 'The Center' right after lunch...'

But wait, there's more! It's not just children who will be euthanized under this new law, it's also scores of Alzheimer's patients.

"Parliamentarians would also consider extended mercy-killing to people suffering from Alzheimer's-type illnesses," said the socialist senator.

Ok, I can’t go any farther than this. I’m just too disgusted.

Is there a grain of truth in this at all? I just don’t know. Sadly - it's quite believable.

peace

I am of the opinion that physician assisted suicide should be available to any adult in the world, for any reason they wish it, at any time they wish. However, these autistic children don't understand life and death so I am not sure what to think of what is happening with assisted suicide in the Belgian Parliament. I have to have more info before I can form a solid opinion on this .... (my initial reaction is that it's not a good thing ... but I could be wrong ... like I said, I need more info)

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I'm looking for more 'real/solid' info as I monitor the thread.

I too believe adults should have the choice - period.

But kids? Under 18?

A resounding NO to that...

Edit to add: Then again. There are always those gray areas damn it! Children with incurable debilitating and horrific diseases causing no end of pain.

Oh hell. Now I really have to dig deeper and think it out sans emotionalism.

peace

Now children Iam not so sure because it is not my field but as I work in an old folks home I do agree with euthanasia for dementia patients, These poor old dears would never of thought they would end up how they have, they are not the people they once were.
Yes some have moments of clarity but when one does and says to me "let me die" my heart breaks, we wouldn't let an animal go through this but allow people who we love to do so.
If I was allowed to have a living will I would, and If it is not in place by the time I get like it I will end it myself.

But I would also go a step further with the eldery I will give you an example...

One of my old dears only has very mild dementia but she is in pain 24 hours a day, she is 97 on morphine patches for the pain (max amount no more can be given it will kill her) and everyday she says to me "please just let me die" she has a wonderful family and they all agree we should be able to just put her to sleep.
Her niece who comes around every other day asked me If I can help her pass away, I want to help because it is the right thing to do but obviously I can not.
She is a brave brave woman and she deserves better.
I never wished death on anyone before I had this job, now I do it everyday. Breaks my heart

I don't whether that site is legit or not but if it is and that is true than this world is going to hell in a handbag.

These are baby's. baby's how in the heck would a five year old be able to understand death. And frankly their admission that they would have to consent to it means that they acknowledge that they are cognitive human beings who think.

Autism? I have a son on the scale and the first few years of his life were rough yes it is challenging but well worth it. These children deserve patience and understanding and love and with the right skills most can come out of it. The strides that my son has made since he was five to now ten are remarkable. He is still behind but he is fully capable of holding a conversation, he thinks, he problem solves, he laughs and smiles and has fun with sister but best of all he know he is loved and he loves his family back. He is just one of the many many children who can do it.

These freaking monsters are just that monsters who for their lazy reasons just don't want to parent anymore or doctor or whatever God i'm so freaking pissed right now. The only way a five year old would choose death is because they would be pressured into it by their lazy no good parents. freaking motherfrackers. Could you imagine telling your autistic child that death would be better for them?? They aren't talking about termianlly sick kids with no where to go but down these are babies whose minds need nourishment, love, understanding, patience and kindness.

This world is fracked, makes me so sad for these babies. Horrid people their parents and doctors are.

I hope this isn't true.

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How in the heck is an Autistic, Mentally Retarded, or even Mildly Retarded child capable of making such a decision?

I think I have seen something similar to this before . . It was back in the 40's and led by a group called the NAZIs.

Do they use the word "euthanize" to make it seem more Humane some how?

Maybe I am wrong, But, Euthanizing children because you cannot "Figure Out What To Do With Them" is Not the solution.

I do agree with assisted suicide for Adults for allot of reasons. I just can't agree that Putting a Child Down like a Rabid Dog is acceptable.

And how in the hell do you think that conversation will go. . .. ? .. . ..

Little Johnny, do you want to go to a better place? do you know how to sign your name?

It is just ridiculous.

I see this as very plausible, as governments get more and more involved with managing health care... you become a burden to the system, costing tax payers more and more to take care of .... soylant green for you.

If anyone is suffering, their suffering is of high enough intensity, and we cannot alleviate it, and they themselves dont actively disagree, then euthanasia is certainly justified. This applies to animals, children, adults, old people and any sentient entity. Thats a matter of principle for me.

Whether this law goes beyond this is a good question and that would be a big issue, but if it doesnt, then I support it.

Daddy was in Vietnam in '69 and got sprayed with Agent Orange. All his hair fell out when he got back and was only 20 years old.

I was born with a club foot, extra ribs, extra vertebrae, and DNA damage that gave me Neuro-Degenerative Disease...had gray hairs by 17 and my nervous system started degenerating.

They had to break my leg when I was 5 and turn it straight so I would look normal.

All the Agent Orange babies like me should have been euthanized. Forcing these kids to go on with Neuro-Degenerative Disease was Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

My sister was born with scoliosis and a heart murmur.

There's a REASON there's 9 million on SSDI now and they have to leave the borders open....whole generation of kids were born with bad DNA.

Can't be fixed. The Alienz told Hitler and his secret cult group the Jews were going to destroy the human races DNA.....turns out they were right.

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Euthanasia for children nears approval by Belgian Parliament

Good thing we don't need God... considering our history and now this, he/she might be a bit pissed with us on the next visit.

I found this info on TruNews also - this and the original link the only two places so far.

Regardless - I do see this 'option' being presented as a 'viable option' to children's suffering.

'Presented' is the key word in my above statement.

It's being 'presented' as such - but that doesn't make it true or right - just what 'they' want you to accept as truth so when it's YOUR TURN (or your 4 year old babies turn) you'll not whine and cry about it - or resist.

peace

Originally posted by Maslo
If anyone is suffering, their suffering is of high enough intensity, and we cannot alleviate it, and they themselves dont actively disagree, then euthanasia is certainly justified. This applies to animals, children, adults, old people and any sentient entity. Thats a matter of principle for me.

Supreme disagreement with your statement (see bold above)!

Consent is NOT the same thing as "actively disagree".
How is your mind does an animal actively disagree? How does a comatose human being "actively disagree"?
By your statement, a doc could walk into a room ask you if you want to be killed and proceed on the basis of not getting a response or an answer from you.

Euthenasia without active and definitive consent is MURDER and in no way justified for human beings.
When it comes to animals, their owners make the decisions regardless of the animal's wishes, so I can agree with your statement only for animals - but still - active consent rather than implied consent (from the owners) is mandatory.

ganjoa

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They sprayed a lot of chemicals in the big cities of the USA during the late 50s and early 60s also, which effectively has done the same thing- destroyed the next generation's DNA. My brother and I both have extensive health issues that are unknown in our families before this time, and have shown up much earlier than is normal in the general population. It's left us both with lives that are basically painfully awful 24/7. While I don't agree that we should all have been euthanized at birth, those of us with extreme health issues should have a choice when life becomes unbearable.

I do NOT agree with children being euthanized for any reason. They don't have the ability to reason and make that sort of decision for themselves. Adults however, should have that option if they so choose. It's a personal decision that each person has to decide for themselves, like so many other controversial issues we discuss here.

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Supreme disagreement with your statement (see bold above)!

I put it in there for a reason, tough. Active and definitive consent is too restrictive. Imagine that a human is unable to give active and definitive consent, maybe they are too young, or mentally damaged, or unable to do so due to sickness. Yet when they suffer, their suffering is of high enough intensity, and we cannot cure them or alleviate it, then euthanasia is justified for them.

You do not let someone suffer just because they happen to be unable to express their desires or cannot give informed consent as mentally sound adults can. You estimate what is best for them, and act accordingly, including up to euthanasia.

By your statement, a doc could walk into a room ask you if you want to be killed and proceed on the basis of not getting a response or an answer from you.

Assuming I suffered of high enough intensity, and could not express my consent due to the reasons stated above, and there would be no other way to help, then thats certainly what I would want.

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Well then!
In your specific case as regards to yourself - I heartily agree!

ganjoa

I'm not seeing this in any other news - yet - still just the two sources I listed.

I have to say I'm a little surprised there's not been more outcry over this - apathy is soooo settling in.

I was actually up a lot last night thinking about this... Do we have the right to keep a child alive - who wants to die?
I think about teenagers and all the angst they go through only to later say 'it was a rough road but I'd do it again'.
But we're not talking hormones here. We're talking children who are in pain. Who can't do all the things kids want to do, etc.

I'm still wrestling with the subject.

peace

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Ya know, I'm a bit surprised myself friend that there's not more of an outcry against this craziness(IMO)

I was in tears as I read the article from natural news and was wondering if there was a thread about it, so I searched and found this one.

I just can't believe what I read sometimes, it's so sad. My son is 8 and no he's not autistic but still if he was, he wouldn't be old enough to decide if he wants to meet the next realm!!

It saddens my heart deeply when the gov wants to kill off children. Then I think, hmmm...is there some sort of bigger plan behind this? .... Ugh... I can't believe this thread isn't in the top list of whatever is the top list.

-nat

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ABSOLUTELY INDEED. Good post.

Read the puppet master's own documents, values, plans, strategies, goals.

UN AGENDA 21 IS REAL and operative--increasingly operative.

One such "ethicist" . . . using the term absurdly loosely . . . has asserted that parents should have the "right" to kill their own children at will up to age 7 or 8.

Ain't that sweet.

These are the idiots designing our world currently. Thankfully, they are scheduled for a short reign at the helm of the globe . . . but literally hellacious their reign will increasingly be--literally--values and deeds straight from the pit of hell.

These elite power-mongers of the planet are NOT NICE by any stretch of the imagination.


twoday.net...


twga...

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In Operation Red Hat, they took the mycotoxins from black and red mold.

And sprayed it over Asia to make their wheat-rice and other crops toxic.


They've already been euthanizing children. Same way the Jewish people did to the Egytpians to make all their first born...drop dead. Back then it was the same thing....poisoned food supply. The mycotoxins back then were growing on the top of the food crop they had stored, and it was custom to feed the first born male first to make sure he grows up healthy.

Bad for the Egyptians then....as their tradition ended up wiping out a Generation.

Same tactics to kill off children are being done today. Mycotoxins being used.

Operation Red Hat was much more than Agents Orange, Purple, White, and Blue.....they were using Mycotoxins and spraying them as well. Now declassified....