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Is Ed Snowden somehow connected with the Chinese government?

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posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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Number one, The raw information is all true. That said, ever since I heard that ES fled to Hong Kong, I've had the feeling that something isn't right. Protector of free speech? Yeah right. There are destinations that make more sense within 3 hours by plane. In theory, an op with this much truth behind it is going to catch fire on it's own. There's not much to do. Operationally, it's genius --you just have to tip the first domino.

Elements that point to a Chinese connection:
1. He is safe in HK. I think that means he has state protection. HK is crawling with UK and USA intelligence. How is he not already in custody?
2. He's made statements complimenting China's policy towards free speech. That has signs of communist double speak to me. Chinese being Indulgent?
3. His interviews with the "press" are just too damn good in terms of the quality of the language. It's all too damn quote-worthy.
4. China is not talking about this internally and barley saying a thing internationally. I find that slightly odd.
5. Let's be honest, ES shouldn't be able to get this much information on his own. That's a big red flag.
6. There's a hot girl involved. Isn't that a cliche'? She could be an agent working him like putty.
7. He's been laying down quite a few nuggets on NSA activity towards China. I think this is where the Chinese may be tipping their hand and they are being a little too indulgent.

Still not settled yet. would welcome some lucid input.

edit on 13-6-2013 by InverseLookingGlass because: spelling, no contect change




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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If he wasn't connected with China before all this ... he is now.

If he was a patriotic American who was wanting to help America, he wouldn't be hiding out in China or Russia, both of which have much worse human rights abuses than America does. And if he loved freedom and liberty as he claims, then he wouldn't be complimenting either of those countries.

I'm glad we know about the NSA spy program.
But I'm not going to worship Snowden.
He doesn't add up.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:16 AM
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I have seen lots of claims that he has defected to the MSS

I don't quiet get that because if he did then why would he make everything so public.

that said however the way he answered that question when asked did make me wonder so i suppose he could have defected.

If he has it makes him a traitor

but at the same time none can deny that he has provide us with some very important info in exposing PRISM



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
If he has it makes him a traitor .... but at the same time none can deny that he has provide us with some very important info in exposing PRISM


HIs providing important info about the spy program against us doesn't wipe the slate clean when it comes to him defecting and working for the Chinese ... the Chinese who have a worse human rights record than the USA. If he finds refuge in China then all his ranting about spilling the beans for 'the good of America' is a bunch of bunk.

Good news - we know about the spy program
Bad news - this guy isn't the patriot that he pretends to be.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:26 AM
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Funny thing is that when we first heard of Snowden the discussion went into "when will the smear campaign begin". I personally quessed he would be linked to Russian intelligence. Few quessed that it would be china.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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Ding ding ding ding!!!!
Thats the correct answer...
From the timing of the leaks (right before President's talk with his Chinese counterpart regarding cyber espionage) to him seeking refuge in a Chinese territory, to him accusing America of spying on China and Hongkong (to garner sympathy from the Chinese).
I see nothing but a socialist exposing sensitive state secrets to the world hoping to make the US weaker.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Good news - we know about the spy program
Bad news - this guy isn't the patriot that he pretends to be.



What is surprising to me is not the spy program but the fact that Americans are surprised that their government is spying on them. I always thought it was a given that all government spy on their citizens. The only difference is that the US has the resource and capacity to do it in a grander scale.
Google has been storing and analysing all their search strings from day one, "to improve their search algorithms, without storing personal information", they said.
I would like to think the NSA program is similar but more sophisticated. To be able to associate a person to certain conversations or searches, so not be difficult though. At this time I would like to give our government the benifit of the doubt and assume they are using this spy program to track bad guys and shady characters. So if I live my life and don't do anything to raise a red flag than there is nothing for me to fear. But OTOH, can this program be abused. No doubt about it, eventually it will be abused by someone in some capacity.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Thing is... back when there were dust ups over the privacy issues we were told that only people that were monitored were ones coming from terrorist labeled organizations outside the border. Only those incoming and outgoign to those shady characters were being monitored. Now it is come to light that it is much much more than that, including innocent Americans. We were assured this would never happen.

But it did.

So, you giving them the benefit of the doubt strikes me as odd since it is obvious the government stretched the programs beyond what they assured us would never happen.

Now with other obvious scandals, like IRS and AP scandals are you sure that in the future you will not be the target of investigations? We have seen in the not to past history the US confining people that just look like "the enemy". It is not outside the realm of possibility that what you say today could very well be used against you tomorrow.

Are you positive that all the motives are pure when it comes to the government as well as the private contractors used in gathering and storing your information?

I oersonally am not so sure... especially when it comes to dissenting what you feel the government does wrong. This is supposed to be a nation where those rights are guaranteed and protected. It seems to me that these protected rightsare being eroded.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Are you saying I'm part of the smear campaign? Or are there others making the connection with China?
Can you provide links?



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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Where would you go?

He would not be safe in any of our allies countries. Most other countries Obama would just drone strike him to death. Do you think America would do a drone strike in China or Russia? I don't think so. He is basically safe where he is.

He really hasn't told the Chinese government any thing that they didn't already know.

He needs to be where he feels safe. He's already said there was more information to be released . He needs to be where he can live and still get the information out.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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He might have chosen to apply for political asylum in Singapore or Vietnam or possibly Myanmar? It just seems like Hong Kong is full of US & UK intelligence. He said there was a CIA station down the street from his hotel.

Just trying to make sense of it all.



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