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The Devil Made Me Do It!

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posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Yep, all the church has done is create a loop-hole to justify their wrong-doings in the eyes of their followers.

"Inquisitions? Crusades? Those don't matter! They teach about loving Jesus!"

That sort of thing.




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Temptation is a thought process of weighing the consequences of pursuing an urge to sin. Isn't acknowledging and pondering a sin the same as actually committing the sin?



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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what rules are those?



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by resoe26
 


Yep, all the church has done is create a loop-hole to justify their wrong-doings in the eyes of their followers.

"Inquisitions? Crusades? Those don't matter! They teach about loving Jesus!"

That sort of thing.


Its like the whole concept of eternal damnation was a ploy to get people in other religions to conform to thiers and also as a tool to uphold the law.
--"the devil will try and make you do these terrible things. Look to our God to be safe from him"
everyone FEAR THE DEVIL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by resoe26
reply to post by Akragon
 


what rules are those?


Love God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself...

You didn't know?

Too much OT reading perhaps?




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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Matthew 5
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


This verse makes it pretty clear that even temptation is considered sin, and it's straight from the horse's mouth.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by windword
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Temptation is a thought process of weighing the consequences of pursuing an urge to sin. Isn't acknowledging and pondering a sin the same as actually committing the sin?


Right, that's how I know surely, that none of us men are going to heaven....
because any hot woman walks by.... there starts the lust. ooooops.
just being are natural selves. Like we are programmed to fail the lust thing.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by resoe26
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what rules are those?


Love God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself...

You didn't know?

Too much OT reading perhaps?



word.

but what if I love my neighbor.... a little...tooo much?



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by windword
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Temptation is a thought process of weighing the consequences of pursuing an urge to sin.

No, it isn't. If you want to approach it that way, it's a thought process of weighing the consequences of doing something. If I was tempted to go grab a cookie out of the cookie jar, that doesn't make eating a cookie a sin.

Regardless, the Greek word in Matthew 4:1 can be read as either "tempted" or "tested".



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by resoe26

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by resoe26
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what rules are those?


Love God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself...

You didn't know?

Too much OT reading perhaps?



word.

but what if I love my neighbor.... a little...tooo much?


Not possible...

Unless you confuse love and lust...

Seems to be a huge issue with a lot of people




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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If I was tempted to go grab a cookie out of the cookie jar, that doesn't make eating a cookie a sin.


What if the cookie was a women?




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:49 AM
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Was eating a cookie ever a sin? What Akragon said: "What if that cookie was a woman?"



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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new experiment, drop the "F-BOMB" at a local church and see how many people rebuke you in the name of Jesus.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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If I was tempted to go grab a cookie out of the cookie jar, that doesn't make eating a cookie a sin.


What if the cookie was a women?

How was Jesus tempted by a woman in the wilderness?


The only thing I was responding to was WW's question about Jesus being tempted in the wilderness.

If one was tempted by a woman, one would be coveting her, a point I already made, but you can be "tempted" by a cookie and unless it's your neighbour's cookie, you already possess it, so it wouldn't be coveting the cookie. If it WAS your neighbour's cookie, then you would be coveting it, and, yes, that's a sin.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:11 PM
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Was Jesus tempted to sin in the wilderness?



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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Was Jesus tempted to sin in the wilderness?

I fail to see where he was.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Akragon
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If I was tempted to go grab a cookie out of the cookie jar, that doesn't make eating a cookie a sin.


What if the cookie was a women?

How was Jesus tempted by a woman in the wilderness?


The only thing I was responding to was WW's question about Jesus being tempted in the wilderness.

If one was tempted by a woman, one would be coveting her, a point I already made, but you can be "tempted" by a cookie and unless it's your neighbour's cookie, you already possess it, so it wouldn't be coveting the cookie. If it WAS your neighbour's cookie, then you would be coveting it, and, yes, that's a sin.


I knew what you meant... I just found your analogy amusing...

So I spun it into a sexual innuendo...


My bad

The devil made me do it!!


edit on 13-6-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:18 PM
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Matthew 4
1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.


All you have to do is read it.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Matthew 4
1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.


All you have to do is read it.

As I said, a) the Greek word there can be read as "tested" and b) as I do not believe in a physical entity called "the Devil", I see that passage as being allegorical -- Jesus is shown to not crave physical indulgences and wordly power at the expense of his relationship with God.

If there is a physical entity called "the Devil" and that passage is an accurate depiction of an event, then Jesus was tempted by the Devil, not by sin, and resisted the temptation anyway. If there is supposed to be a point to this, I'm failing to see it, sorry.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by windword
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Was Jesus tempted to sin in the wilderness?

I fail to see where he was.


In your own words:


Originally posted by adjensen

I personally do not believe in an external entity called "the Devil", who tempts and tortures. I do, however, believe in an internal "devil", the temptation and wrongdoing that is in all of us.



Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.


What WAS going on then, in the wilderness, with Jesus and the Devil? If the Devil, as you say, is an internal "devil" didn't Jesus wrestle with his own internal temptation, as we all do?



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