Originally posted by DeadSeraph
I wasn't aware using photoshop was a crime?
He wasn't arrested, detained, or accused of a crime. I don't understand what you are trying to suggest.
Using Photoshop obviously isn't a crime, and that's why he WASN'T ARRESTED.
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
I support the fight against ACTUAL terrorism 100%, but not at the risk of losing my civil liberties and allowing a police state to monitor my every
action and keep a dossier on me when I've committed no crimes.
I agree with you.
But when does someone move from being a very threatening and outspoken person to acting in a violent way towards others?
You have to have some common sense here.
There is a MASSIVE difference between the NSA listening on all phone calls and reading all emails, making the assumption of guilt over everyone, and
speaking to an obviously confrontational and threatening individual over the nature of their expressions.
You seem to be getting yourself all worked up about this by confusing what this guy is doing with your grandmothers emails. These are two entirely
different things.
This is the kind of guy the NSA SHOULD be paying attention to. Not arresting, not threatening, not silencing, just watching and inquiring.
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
I often see the terrorism excuse levied against civil liberties advocates. The same people making these excuses are often the same people who claim
that we are targeted by terrorists because "they hate our freedom". So we need to give up our freedom to fight the terrorists who hate us because
we're free? It's insane. You can't have it both ways.
Again, there is a big difference between making threatening statements and images, and expressing libertarian values. Why do you assume that in order
to have libertarian beliefs you also have to make threats, or make images that suggest violent actions?
No one is suggesting that an opinion means you should be a target, that is what most here are against. But you just need to look at the kinds of
things he's saying, the images he's putting out there, and the attitude he has. You cannot SERIOUSLY look at all of this and try to suggest he's just
like the young family down the street who believe in smaller government and accountability. These are two completely different sets of people!
You're trying to paint this man as a poor innocent victim, shocked that anyone would dare to question his sanity or the political opinions he
expresses. If this were a Muslim man making the same images you would be all over it screaming that he should be on a list somewhere!
The guy was not arrested. He has not been silenced. His freedoms have not been breached (any more so than the millions of innocent people the NSA has
been gathering information on of course). He is an unnecessarily outspoken and threatening person making unreasonable and concerning statements.
I stick by my view, he is exactly the kind of person I would want my government watching. Not stopping, not silencing, not threatening, just
watching.
edit on 16-6-2013 by Rocker2013 because: (no reason given)