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Originally posted by Archie
Snowden is, to my mind, an example of an ethical hacker which is why I take everything he's saying at face value.
Originally posted by TheBlackHat
I am pretty sure all these leakers are really operations in themselves, to spread disinformation and mainly to neutralize the left. To me it makes sense..also look at the facts..all these leakers are brought to you courtesy of the MSM..and nothing has changed since they all materialized overnight...NOTHING.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Archie
Snowden is, to my mind, an example of an ethical hacker which is why I take everything he's saying at face value.
This is dangerous.
You should always question anything that comes from the MSM.
Failure to question it will only leave you open for easy manipulation.
Keep this in mind.
Originally posted by Archie
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Archie
Snowden is, to my mind, an example of an ethical hacker which is why I take everything he's saying at face value.
This is dangerous.
You should always question anything that comes from the MSM.
Failure to question it will only leave you open for easy manipulation.
Keep this in mind.
Maybe I should have said "is in the tradition of", for example, en.wikipedia.org...
You should try to remember that not everything is a conspiracy. It leaves you open to seeing things that aren't there. Keep that in mind.edit on 13-6-2013 by Archie because: link
Originally posted by Archie
Originally posted by TheBlackHat
I am pretty sure all these leakers are really operations in themselves, to spread disinformation and mainly to neutralize the left. To me it makes sense..also look at the facts..all these leakers are brought to you courtesy of the MSM..and nothing has changed since they all materialized overnight...NOTHING.
Firstly, the theory that Wikileaks, Anonymous and Snowden are operations in themselves. I'm just wondering how much you know about the hacker culture.
Wikileaks began as a website with a focus on social justice and government transparency where whistleblowers could anonymously and securely upload documents. This is the site Manning contacted. A rift came about when Assange decided to take the Manning trove to the MSM rather than allowing Wikileaks to publish exclusively. A lot of people in the community can't forgive him for doing that. He did it to get get back at Bush, whose policies he disagreed with, and to focus attention on the work of Wikileaks. Some said he did it out of vanity. No conspiracy here.
You sound very sure of everything...Too sure. Wouldn't a more logical explanation be that Assange is a an intelligence asset, he certainly acts like one. Or didn't you know this is how intelligence agencies work, they use plants and informers, moles and double agents to infiltrate organisations.
But WL has changed things - it's helped put corrupt bankers in prison in Iceland, has helped expose corrupt CEOs of corporations in small African nations. Not bad going if you ask me. I suspect you want grand conspiracies complete with Illuminati coming out. Good luck with that. Me, personally, I think the fact we're all being spied on constantly by the US and friends is pretty freaking grand, but each to their own.
Ohh be still my beating heart, Wikileaks told us Africa was full of corruption did it..I never knew that before Wikileaks told me...and Iceland had a population of about 250,000 how does anything that goes on their have an bearing on the rest of us...clearly it doesn't...but it's a good distraction..."oh look things are getting fixed in Iceland, lets all SIT AND WAIT until common sense and justice spreads to every other country"...
But the guys who formed Wikileaks were part of a wider hacking subculture, one that believed strongly in a free internet, open source software, social justice, ethics. These people are the ones that create open source software such as Linux, an operating system to rival Microsoft and Apple but that computer geeks can change and fiddle with and add to all they like because it is not owned by anyone but created by many. In fact I am using a version of it now.
Except the computers are hardwired with backdoors when they are manufactured...Dell being one that admitted to it way back.
From what I have read and heard from Anonymous, the majority are teenagers that are digital natives but are more limited in skill when compared with the 'ethical' hackers. While some of them do have a strong focus on social justice, such as the Steubenville Anon, a lot like to get their lulz from DDOSing websites of people or organisations they dislike. The majority of Anonymous, I would think, are kids in their parents' basements so keep that in mind when you next hear them boasting of some great document trove they're about to release but you never know. One day they might follow through. Their marketing is pretty good. A lot, however, have been arrested and I'm pretty sure there are one of two 'Agent Anonymouses' around these days. So no conspiracy here either just loud-mouthed, somewhat talented kids, by and large.
From what you read...exactly...you heard first in the MSM. Also you state Anonymous are teenagers..well how do teenager manage such a widespread PR campaign..and Im not talking YouTube im talking the MSM. Also as i said intelligence agencies would find a supposedly faceless org like Anonymous even easier to infiltrate, than something like Wikileaks, to spread disinfo, false flags..or set and manipulate the left's agenda..your either very naive or trying to convince everyone of utter BS. The bottom line is both Wikileaks and Anynomous look like set ups from the go get..not saying everyone involved in these orgs knows that, they wont, many of them probably suspect it after Assange started doing his 15 minutes of fame bit though.
Snowden is, to my mind, an example of an ethical hacker which is why I take everything he's saying at face value. Greenwald is also a lawyer - and they most definitely know how the NSA, FBI and CIA works because a lot have been harassed by them for years. They know the tactics, the software, you name it and so that is a distinct advantage now.
I'd advise you to re-read your own words and see how they can be used to discredit your argument.edit on 13-6-2013 by TheBlackHat because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Archie
reply to post by TheBlackHat
Educate yourself. There's plenty of non-MSM sources to choose from. That's all I have to say.
BTW, thanks on behalf of the computer geeks I've shown this thread to. They laughed their asses off. Jokes going to be on you, my friend.
Originally posted by Archie
reply to post by TheBlackHat
Educate yourself. There's plenty of non-MSM sources to choose from. That's all I have to say.
BTW, thanks on behalf of the computer geeks I've shown this thread to. They laughed their asses off. Jokes going to be on you, my friend.
Originally posted by Libertygal
If I am not mistaken, he said in his original interview that he "could have" obtained material on individuals, but his design was not to target individuals, that that would not accomplish anything. He said his goal was to expose the system, not people, so I have some doubts? So far, he has done exactly that, so I expect he is true to his word.
Now, are there other programs they do not want exposed? Most assuredly, and they could guarantee him life insurance as much as info on individuals could.
ETA: I just had another thought that has been running around in my head. It is known he went to WaPo first, and they refused to carry the story. The IRS comes seemingly out of nowhere, and admits they have been improperly targetting certain groups. At the time, no one could explain WHY the IRS did that? What made them come out and admit what they were doing and isaue an apology? Could it be fear of Snowden whistleblowing on them, too? One has to wonder, as closely timed as the two events were, as well as the rest of the "scandalanche". Now the State Department sex scandal? It's all tumbling out, too conveniently to be coincidental.
We all knew someone was behind it, perhaps he has been the trigger, threatening either out yourselves, or I will.
It's something to consider. Perhaps he used his own resources.
edit on 12-6-2013 by Libertygal because: ETA
Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by opethPA
We're talking here about the crimes that are protected with so called 'laws'. That's how it works, 'legal crime' so to speak.
It's impossible to blow a whistle without braking the so called 'law'.