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The Zimmerman Trial

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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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The judge said, "This is a Richardson Hearing"

Richardson Hearing



A Richardson hearing is a hearing to conduct an inquiry into the surrounding facts and circumstances of an alleged discovery violation. For example, a Richardson hearing might be requested because the opposing party attempts to call a witness not included on their witness list. The court will attempt to determine whether discovery violations are inadvertent or willful, trivial or substantial, or affected the defendant's ability to properly prepare for his\her case. The question of prejudice does not depend on whether the undisclosed evidence might have affected the outcome of the trial, but whether the violation affected the defendant's ability to prepare.




posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by RickKilgannon
So now the ME is comparing the TM case with a new case, to decide how long TM could have lived after the shot. Changed it from 1-3 minutes to 1-10 minutes 3 weeks ago.
No new research or anything, just based on another similar shooting.


I'm that's how and opinion is formed. Trial and error of similar situations. The longer you do something the more you learn and sometimes you might learn something new you didn't know prior.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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The M.E. has basically said he changes his mind all the time. He has not only changed his mind on how long Martin was alive but also about the effects on Martin that the *can't be named drug on ATS* had on him. The M.E. also says he can't remember anything ... not even what was discussed at meetings yesterday ... without notes.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
I still want this question answered: What did Zimmerman do with his firearm, AFTER he shot Martin? He didn't holster it...so...what did he do with it? Lots of questions, not enough answers. We'll NEVER know the truth because 1/2 of the truth is dead.


If you were watching this trial instead of trolling the thread, you would know that witnesses testified that he did holster his weapon as he said in police interviews, the reenactment, etc etc. So much for your "research" huh?



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by AlexG141989
yeah I don't find it odd that he doesn't remember this autopsy specifically...

and when he said nobody can remember anything from 2 years ago, obviously he meant you can't remember everything....

everything else was comedy though
TRUE STORY: One day, i was working on my fence and the next door neighbor (who i've had problems with for years) came out, huffin' and puffin' about being too close to his property line. He insisted i move 2 inches away from it. I told him i would, as soon as i finished what i was doing. He then proceeded to tell me, with a machete in his hand. I went upstairs and got my chucks, came back down and said: Let's go!!! His son tried to play superhero, pushed his daddy out of the way; i dropped the chucks and dropped him, just as fast. That's when his dad jumped in, and i clocked his dad, square in the eye; as his son was getting up from the ground. Seconds later, his 2 other sons came out, and started throwing blows on me. I stumbled to the ground, and all 4 started kicking me. I IMMEDIATELY got up, and started throwing blows back. The son that was on the ground, grabbed the arm of my sweatshirt, and as i was trying to escape (knowing i was in danger); i kept throwing blows, until i finally broke free and bolted. Not a scratch on me. Can't say the same for son and pops. Later on that day, they went to the police and tried to file charges. The cops told them to get out and to leave me alone. That happened about 3 years ago, and i remember it like it was yesterday. Truly, a youtube moment, in my life. I'm only 5'7 and 145 lbs of DY-NO-MITE. Size means nothing in war!


You been on this thread bragging about how all you need is your hands, and weapons are for the weak... yet the first thing you did was go inside and some chucks? Is that not a weapon?
I didn't grab a gun...with intentions to kill. I'm not going to be intimidated either. I can scare someone, just as easily. I'm surprised George didn't FLASH his weapon, attached to his hip. This way, Trayvon would have thought differently. Makes you wonder why he didn't reveal his firearm, as a scare tactic. Why didn't he lift up his jacket and reveal his piece?



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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For her to go that far to check into violation by the Prosecution is big.
She just declared 'no richardson violation'.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:49 PM
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That ME made my head spin
I would think the jury is confused with him as well. I don't think the ME help explain anything worth a darn as far as guilt or innocence. IMHO



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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Judge still refuses to allow toxicology about *certain drug not to be named at ATS* in Martins system. She based that on past information and not on the fact that this M.E. has changed his mind again and now says that it may have had an effect on Martin.

BTW .. this M.E. says he can change his mind every hour ....
(that's a direct quote from him)

Judge rules for the prosecution to keep toxicology out .. even after the ME says he changed his mind.


edit on 7/5/2013 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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That has already been answered for you in this same thread by multiple people. It is illegal to flash a gun at someone. That would make him the threatening figure. He shouldn't have to flash a gun to keep a guy from jumping him (the guy should just not be a criminal and not assault him).



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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The jury wasn't in the room for that fiasco, thankfully.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Judge still will not let the jury hear anything about TM's toxicology report. Even though the ME has changed his mind on what the THC levels could have caused in TM.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
I didn't grab a gun...with intentions to kill. I'm not going to be intimidated either. I can scare someone, just as easily. I'm surprised George didn't FLASH his weapon, attached to his hip. This way, Trayvon would have thought differently. Makes you wonder why he didn't reveal his firearm, as a scare tactic. Why didn't he lift up his jacket and reveal his piece?


#1. You would be the world's biggest idiot if you "flashed" your firearm. You are taught NOT to do this in any firearm class. If you "flash" your firearm, you better be pulling the trigger.

#2. Flashing your firearm and using it as a scare tactic is illegal.


#3 It does not matter if you did not grab a gun. Your whole point was how you were so tough you don't need any weapons, only your fist. That is what you said, then go on to tell a story about running to get a weapon. I got some news for you, you can kill with chucks just as you can with a gun. You debunk yourself



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by AlexG141989


everything else was comedy though
TRUE STORY: One day, i was working on my fence and the next door neighbor (who i've had problems with for years) came out, huffin' and puffin' about being too close to his property line. He insisted i move 2 inches away from it. I told him i would, as soon as i finished what i was doing. He then proceeded to tell me, with a machete in his hand. I went upstairs and got my chucks, came back down and said: Let's go!!! His son tried to play superhero, pushed his daddy out of the way; i dropped the chucks and dropped him, just as fast. That's when his dad jumped in, and i clocked his dad, square in the eye; as his son was getting up from the ground. Seconds later, his 2 other sons came out, and started throwing blows on me. I stumbled to the ground, and all 4 started kicking me. I IMMEDIATELY got up, and started throwing blows back. The son that was on the ground, grabbed the arm of my sweatshirt, and as i was trying to escape (knowing i was in danger); i kept throwing blows, until i finally broke free and bolted. Not a scratch on me. Can't say the same for son and pops. Later on that day, they went to the police and tried to file charges. The cops told them to get out and to leave me alone. That happened about 3 years ago, and i remember it like it was yesterday. Truly, a youtube moment, in my life. I'm only 5'7 and 145 lbs of DY-NO-MITE. Size means nothing in war!


You been on this thread bragging about how all you need is your hands, and weapons are for the weak... yet the first thing you did was go inside and some chucks? Is that not a weapon?
I didn't grab a gun...with intentions to kill. I'm not going to be intimidated either. I can scare someone, just as easily. I'm surprised George didn't FLASH his weapon, attached to his hip. This way, Trayvon would have thought differently. Makes you wonder why he didn't reveal his firearm, as a scare tactic. Why didn't he lift up his jacket and reveal his piece?


GM didn't grab a gun he carried a gun on his person, he had a cc permit. it is well know that you never flash your gun.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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It's pretty infuriating isn't it? I wonder if she isn't keeping tally on how many breaks she has given the prosecution (and how many times she has screwed over the defense). In my opinion she should be fired, but there are a lot of crooked judges. This is a multiple mistrial imho.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Yeah, I just noticed that!


I'm sure now that their back, they will be.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:57 PM
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The talking head legal eagles at the news site I'm watching say that the judge just handed the defense an easy 'retrial' if Zimmerman is found guilty.


Once again the M.E. is saying that he doesn't remember anything.
And he just said he has no idea if the body was handled correctly or not.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
I didn't grab a gun...with intentions to kill. I'm not going to be intimidated either. I can scare someone, just as easily. I'm surprised George didn't FLASH his weapon, attached to his hip. This way, Trayvon would have thought differently. Makes you wonder why he didn't reveal his firearm, as a scare tactic. Why didn't he lift up his jacket and reveal his piece?


Wow, Wonderboi, just wow....

I am out of patience, will one of my fellow gun owners who have taken a fire arms safety course have a quick talk with our idealistic young friend so we don't have to worry about one of our own ATS kids dying due to gun negligence?

Edit: TY MrWendal.

edit on 5-7-2013 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-7-2013 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:00 PM
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Zimmermans blood wasn't found under Martins finger nails, but this ME can't tell anyone how long the fingernails were or anything about it. He has no idea if they were long enough to get scrapings or not. He repeats .. I HAVE NO OPINION and NO MEMORY.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
 

The talking head legal eagles at the news site I'm watching say that the judge just handed the defense an easy 'retrial' if Zimmerman is found guilty.


Once again the M.E. is saying that he doesn't remember anything.
And he just said he has no idea if the body was handled correctly or not.



I agree, with everything that has gone on, there will easily be a retrial if GZ found guilty.
This ME just keeps saying he didn't do this and didn't do that. He doesn't even know the protocol for the scraping under the fingernails. You would think that a ME would know all of the protocols for anything and everything that happens inside of the autopsy room.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Someone else did the fingernails. He doesn't do the fingernails. His assistants do.




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