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Russia Parliament Passes Anti-Gay Bill ( 434-0 Vote )

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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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I am curious, what is considered a "minor" in Russia? That could make a huge difference in some opinions.

I myself would be very mad if I found someone had given my 12 year old "pro-hetero" literature as much as I would if it was "pro-homo" literature.




posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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You make a great point.....I don't hate gays, I don't hate people who agree with gay rights, I don't hate anything at all with the topic.....I disagree with the topic, that does not mean I hate anyone or anything!

I agree, society has placed that badge on people if you don't agree you should be shunned....It's a freaking joke!



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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Well, this is where I believe the concept of a representative republic over that of true majority rule democracy shines as a critical distinction. Gays in the United States represent less than 5% of the national population by some recent estimates out of their own community. That makes them not simply a minority but a super minority.

As the majority and an undisputed one to an absurd extreme here, I think we have two choices ..as do the Russians. We can use that majority numbering in cruel and malicious ways to harm the minority and really destroy them. Emotionally, if nothing else. Or... We can show a little class and gracious decency by respecting the fact that, unless they cross onto my lawn or into my personal space, their lives are theirs to live and not mine to condemn, let alone support outlawing.

I think there is a Small % among the Gay community who *DO* choose to be that way. Just as Bi-Sexual individuals choose to be that way. However, that, I truly feel, is a small % within that already small segment of society. Choosing a gay lifestyle, especially as a child, would be a sign of extreme self abuse, (and I'm not even half kidding there) ....for the extreme challenges it poses and puts that person in.

For the above reality of life as I've come to understand Gays face? I really don't think the VAST majority ever chose it and would, if that choice were up to them, have chosen otherwise. I could no sooner become gay then they'll 'become' straight. So, outlawing them as a people is...well? Hateful and to an extreme level, IMHO.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Telos
Kids shouldn't be exposed to this and shouldn't be forced to think that being gay or transgender is normal.


You're only thinking of straight kids. Not all kids are straight. And many know that at a very young age.

Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the idea that they are OK the way they are?
Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the reality that they are loved and worthy and normal?



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
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Society is highly intolerant of those who disagree with homosexuality, even though most of those are likely to actually be intolerant of homosexuality on a personal level but deny it due to how society with treat them.


Those who are " intolerant " of homosexuality you mean.
intolerant

Not tolerant of others' views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.


In a civilized society we need to be intolerant.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by Briles1207
Its good in one way, it shows that Russia haven't evolved much as a nation, and definitly not as a species.

I pity their children.


i don't pity their children. I think that the gay agenda has no business being pushed in the children's faces. If they are truly gay they will know that when they are consenting adults.

If you want to teach them about gayness, explain how it is a perversion, just as wanting to have sex with children, animals, toys, masochism, chronic masturbation, etc. is a perversion. Just because some have deep urges to do what nature did not intend (sex for procreation is what is intended), does not make it all right or acceptable in my eyes. If some want to accept their perversion as normal that is fine with me. Just keep it away from the children as they are still maturing their feelings and are very impressionable. The internet is littered with cases of people who thought they were gay because of low self esteem and depression and once those issues were resolved they no longer had those gay feelings.







WOW!!

Your folks have really done a number on you huh?

No-Body is trying to infiltrate your childs Minds!!

Educating children in the subject would not make them gay, it would help lower intolerance and promote understanding.

It will stop them growing up like people on here.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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This is part of the problem. Or in all actual fact, part of the programming. You cannot simply "not agree", no. Instead you must hate it. You must hate anyone who does it ect ect so on and so forth. It's the same old tired pathetic argument.

Demonise those who disagree, and you will achieve your goal of universal acceptance. Only people don't really accept it. Instead they live in fear of their own opinions. As some have clearly demonstrated in this thread, if you dislike homosexuality, then obviously you're part of a gay bashing lynch mob. They actually believe that! It's here for all to see.

Hook line, and sinker.


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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Telos
Kids shouldn't be exposed to this and shouldn't be forced to think that being gay or transgender is normal.


You're only thinking of straight kids. Not all kids are straight. And many know that at a very young age.

Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the idea that they are OK the way they are?
Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the reality that they are loved and worthy and normal?


So because of 10 gay kids we have to expose all the kids to homosexuality now?



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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No, see this is where you get it wrong (IMO).....Just because I don't agree does not pose HATE to anyone for any reason!

"We can use that majority numbering in cruel and malicious ways to harm the minority and really destroy them."

This quote is something that really gets under my skin.....There is no reason to harm or destroy them at all! Keep it private, behind closed doors, just like it has been in the past! No legal marriage, no openly gay in public, don't ask don't tell crap....All of this new age trend stuff that might seem cool is not cool in my eyes....

Keep it to yourself, stop making a scene in public trying to force an agenda, stop trying for legal marriage.....Keep it to yourself like before. Like I said, this is not natural to me! Kids do not need to see this stuff at a young age and accept it as okay.....If it comes later in life, the decision made as an adult, that is fine! I do not want the children seeing this in public and accepting it as normal....

This of course once again is my opinion with no expressed hate toward anyone or anything at all!
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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
reply to post by Chrisfishenstein
 


This is part of the problem. Or in all actual fact, part of the programming. You cannot simply "not agree", no. Instead you must hate it. You must hate anyone who does it ect ect so on and so forth. It's the same old tired pathetic argument.

Demonise those who disagree, and you will achieve your goal of universal acceptance. Only people don't really accept it. Instead they live in fear of their own opinions. As some have clearly demonstrated in this thread, if you dislike homosexuality, then obviously you're part of a gay bashing lynch mob. They actually believe that! It's here for all to see.

Hook line, and sinker.


edit on 11-6-2013 by threewisemonkeys because: (no reason given)


Yet here you sit typing trying to FORCE me to believe what is being pushed is the right thing? I don't want to throw an insult out or anything but this is very hypocritical of you to say.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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I think he's saying the same thing as you and agreeing with your line of logic.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Telos
 



Originally posted by Telos
Kids shouldn't be exposed to this and shouldn't be forced to think that being gay or transgender is normal.


You're only thinking of straight kids. Not all kids are straight. And many know that at a very young age.

Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the idea that they are OK the way they are?
Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the reality that they are loved and worthy and normal?


And this is where the parents guide their children! If they are truly gay, the family needs to accept it and still love their child! Just because gay is pronounced as being normal will not make the gay child feel normal without love from their family! But it shouldn't be pushed to the children saying it is okay from the get go.....This needs to be a decision (and a very important one to me) made by the person. With full support of the family, not a law stating it is okay
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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Briles1207
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Dress it up all you like, you are still a Bigot who was raised intolerant.

Thats just my opinion of course.....


I was going to refrain from this discussion until I viewed your post, your hypocrisy is so blatent that I just had to comment.




Kids shouldn't be exposed to this and shouldn't be forced to think that being gay or transgender is normal. They shouldn't also be taught to hate whoever is different from them in that way.


So Telos says they shouldn't be taught to hate anyone who is different and you call him a bigot and intolerant? That's my point about your hypocrisy. It would seem that you view him as a bigot simply because he does't agree with your view in the matter. Then when he says something that doesn't fir in with your views you resort to name calling and simple insults?

It seems to me that while you want people to be tolerant you are incapable of showing the same tolerance towards others who don't agree with you. This is becoming all to common in our society today, people preach tolerance right up to the point that someone disagrees with their views on a matter then the lack of those people's tolerance shines through.

Let's face it, it is not the "norm", if it were it wouldn't be referred to, even by many who engage in the lifestyle as "alternative".

Kids shouldn't be exposed to any sexual matters or materials, they are kids let them have a childhood. When puberty hits and they begin coming of age their own body, conscience, and feelings will let them know what they are. They don't need to be "educated" on whether or not they are gay and to do so is only introducing an influence that could confuse them.
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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:07 AM
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Educating children in the subject would not make them gay, it would help lower intolerance and promote understanding.


How has sexualizing small children ever helped society? Why can't children be allowed to be children instead of indoctrinating them to the world of adult sex games before they are mentally prepared to assimilate that knowledge? Does limiting a child's formal education to basic things like math, science, languages and grammar somehow threaten his/her future?

Oh there I go again with the him / her thing. So intolerant.






posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein


Yet here you sit typing trying to FORCE me to believe what is being pushed is the right thing? I don't want to throw an insult out or anything but this is very hypocritical of you to say.


Eh no? But it's obvious that is how you have been taught to think. There is no hypocrisy in pointing out that if a majority does not accept something, that's the way it is, in that instance. Crying about not getting your way won't change peoples minds, it will only make them more determined not to pander to your will. And if you try to force it upon them, then you deserve the consequences of the unrest and ill-will that breeds.

If someone is homosexual, that's their business. If someone is heterosexual, that's their business. If someone like's sheep, that's between them and the farmers shotgun. Other than that, we'd do well to stop telling other people who they can and cannot like and just let them get on with it.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Telos
P.S. I didn't know pederasty can be compared with water, anger, snakes or gravity. I might have missed that biology or physics class.


Excuse me? You're trying to compare PEDOPHILES with Homosexuals? I had no intention responding to this thread until I saw that gem of ignorance.

Just as a reminder, there are giant differences between beastiality, pedophilia, and homosexuality. However, a lot of really stupid people seem to like to compare the three.
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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by threewisemonkeys

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein


Yet here you sit typing trying to FORCE me to believe what is being pushed is the right thing? I don't want to throw an insult out or anything but this is very hypocritical of you to say.


But it's obvious that is how you have been taught to think.


You talk about someone being "taught to think" a certain way but yet here you are supporting the teaching of children to think a certain way, that's exactly what this "educating" of children about homosexuality is.

I am done commenting on this thread, the hypocrisy contained within is staggering.
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posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Telos
Kids shouldn't be exposed to this and shouldn't be forced to think that being gay or transgender is normal.


You're only thinking of straight kids. Not all kids are straight. And many know that at a very young age.

Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the idea that they are OK the way they are?
Why shouldn't gay kids be exposed to the reality that they are loved and worthy and normal?


So because of 10 gay kids we have to expose all the kids to homosexuality now?


We're not talking about showing kids gay porn. We're talking about discussing it in an educational format. Why can't it be discussed that homosexuality exists? Why can't it be discussed that homosexuality has existed in about the same percentages in all cultures, during every era of mankind? Why can't there be a discussion as to why homosexuals have been persecuted, and whether that persecution is warranted? I fail to see how that harms anyone - gay or straight. I'm not saying that schools should promote that being gay is "cool", or the preferred way to be. Not at all. I'm saying that openly discussing homosexuality in a way that is age-appropriate will help straight kids to better understand their fellow gay students (and be less hateful towards them), and will help gay kids not feel so bad about themselves. How is that hurting anyone?



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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If you use the argument that they cannot help who they are then you must expect parallels to be drawn with other instances where a person cannot control who they are. As is the case with beastiality and pedophillia.

Nobody said homosexuality was equivalent to either of those, only the state of mind of the individual. If you don't want an argument thrown back in your face, don't use it.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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Ah the good old ATS hypocrisy two-step again.

If someone is genetically wired to be homosexual, you have to respect their choice and be tolerant of their right to be that person.

If someone decides, for whatever reason they want, that they don't like homosexuals, you don't have to be tolerant of their right to think that or be that person.

Oh ATS, how you do amuse me so.

Russia's house; Russia's rules. Simple.



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