Originally posted by samstone11
even as the victim of government abuse which continues to threaten my family’s livelihood I still support LEGAL and COMPETENT impositions on
freedom if done for the right reasons by the right and well trained people.
The threat of terrorism is a very convenient little thing. It causes usually rational and intelligent people to become sniveling wrecks begging at the
feet of a jackbooted soldier to protect them.
The mathematical probability of you being harmed in a terrorist attack is far less than the chances of you being murdered by your partner, of being
killed in a car accident, or dying of a heart attack in the coming week.
If we put as much effort, money and resources into fighting cancer as we do into "fighting terrorism", we would probably have a cure by now. But a
cure for cancer doesn't help the state to control the masses, it doesn't assist the global corporations to stay in control of the government that
you think you elect.
The threat of terrorism is almost inconsequential in comparison to the many real and genuine threats to you as a free citizen, and the power of your
government and their corporate partners should be more of a concern to you than some random extremist.
It goes without saying that there are larger threats to a country from foreign powers, but where is the evidence for this? If the USA or UK has
thwarted a cyber attack on our infrastructure from China, why the f is Obama meeting up for a chat, why haven't we been told about the attack, and
why are we still doing business?
I don't buy any of the BS our governments say. Obama or Cameron could take to the podium right now and tell me the sky is blue, and I would make a
point to check that it actually still is and that they are not lying to me.
Originally posted by samstone11
I don’t know if there are any good answers, but if we can come up with a few we can possibly help one another here at ATS, and we all know we draw
attention to ourselves simply by being members in the first place.
There is no way to know whether you are being watched. But consider this... there are politically opinionated people who have found themselves on
watch lists, no fly lists, only because they objected to the government. There are numerous people who have found that they are on such a list when
they have tried to leave the US for a business trip, and their crime? Disagreeing with government and saying so. It's fair to say, with that kind of
standard being set, we are all on at least one list for being a member of this site.
This is the biggest problem. Even if there was no intention to create a state of fear and distrust, the leak of this has created it. How many members
here will now openly admit that they think again before clicking that reply button? How many here now wonder when they comment on an article whether
they are being watched? Who has censored themselves in their political opinion because they now fear the state?
I'll admit it, I have been stopping myself from commenting a few times, and I'm not even an American citizen. It seems to be a nonsense that I would
be targeted, just for being critical... but then I think about some NSA goon reading it and getting that bloodlust, and then the problems they could
probably cause just with a few clicks.
The fear of this shadowy group with untold power should be enough to terrify everyone, and it should terrify you more than some random religious
maniac. These are people who can arrest you without reason, detain you indefinitely, make you vanish under court-ordered secrecy, and they can do that
to anyone at all at any time. The fear of that itself has an effect on society, instantly making it less free, immediately forcing people into
silence, quashing democracy.
The fact that the NSA has been doing this is bad enough, the fact that we now know they can and have been doing this has effectively ended true
democracy in the United States. You cannot have a real democracy when the press fear for their security and freedom, when the public fear a response
from a government they dare to criticize, or where political opponents are targeted and treated unfairly.
You need to do a couple of things as a priority... 1. Support Snowden and Manning. Show other whistleblowers that they can speak out and not have
their fellow citizens calling for their assassination! 2. Tell Obama in no uncertain terms that this is unacceptable. I don;t know whether that should
be through protest or petition, but the American people need to make sure their elected know that they are enraged by this