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New bill NJ; Police can confiscate cellphones at accident scenes ,no warrant.

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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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The state of New Jersey has a new bill up for law . Police can confiscate ,and look through cellphones of anyone involved in a motor vehicle accident . No warrant necessary .
NJ lawmakers claim this is needed to see who was texting before an accident .
Uh huh .

www.nj.com...

TRENTON — License, registration and cell phone, please.

Police officers across New Jersey could be saying that to motorists at the scenes of car crashes if new legislation introduced in the state Senate becomes law.

The measure would allow cops —without a warrant — to thumb through a cell phone to determine if a driver was talking or texting when an accident occurred. It requires officers to have "reasonable grounds" to believe the law was broken.




posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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I'd considered getting an app installed or writing one myself if I couldn't find it, which would do a full dump and delete on my phone's contents by a single command. I know it can be found within system settings, but who is thinking with the time after something happens to need it? On the truck, there were a number of reasons that need may have come up at a given moment. None of them good.

It sounds like it's not just a good idea for a "kill switch" at this point, it's going on necessity. Just don't trust one bought who you don't know the author for. Anything could be written in to allow a bypass to restore data ..unless you write it yourself or someone you know.

Then hand them a clean...even bricked phone if the situation warrants...and watch them just want to stomp up and down. They cannot find what isn't there anymore. They should't be looking in the first place.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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That's a slippery slope, indeed...

Any investigation would discover that over the course of time. This is not a good idea...



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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I went to eBay ,and bought one of those cellphone watches .
I had T Mobile,so I had a sim card in my phone .
You charge the watch ,and put your sim card in it . It's now your phone. It's completely hands free .
Mine has video and photo capabilities . Also texting ,but its far too complicated to text or make a call while driving .So if you even have an urge ,its too impractical to even follow thru upon .

They have no idea what it is either. Looks like some high tech watch .
You can record them .Photos and recordings take practice to get right .
I was never sorry I made the investment.
Let me find you a link for one like mine,



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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I'm waiting for them to say its also under the auspices of the patriot act .



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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I have mixed feelings about this. I hate that any state wants to give law enforcement more power for warrantless invasion of privacy, but on the other hand this past fall one of my daughters was walking down the sidewalk in town when a guy ran off the road, jumped the curb and darn near ran over her and her friend. If they had not been paying attention and jumped they would have been killed. The driver was texting when it occurred- the people in the car next to him saw it- but the police couldn't search his phone without a warrant and he swore the witnesses were mistaken. The police gave him a ticket for failure to control his vehicle and let him go.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:36 PM
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I already have something similar only it's multi-leveled. I can either hard reset my phone from the phone or via text from another device, which leaves my phone still working but blank. Next step I can lock and wipe my phone remotely, and final step is the actual kill switch which runs a command that hard bricks the device turning it into a paperweight. How does it hard brick you ask? It removes the voltage regulator from the kernel and causes a hard reboot which shorts the entire logic board out frying everything on it. Yes it works, I have a box of dead phone's from the test phase. If I ever get arrested, while the chuckleheads are trying to figure out my encryption key to get into the phone I'll be using my one phone call to have it bricked via my failsafe network.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:36 PM
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That wouldn't overly surprise me...

don't get me wrong... Texting/talking on your cell is a bad idea...

I used to drive a little Toyota MR2... I loved that car. One day I'm pulling up to a fourway stop, and I see a big ass pickup truck coming from the other direction... Something tells me, don't turn yet... It's a really good thing, 'cause that dunderhead roared through the intersection without even a pretense of stopping. He'd have t-boned me, and wouldn't even have noticed...big pickup truck...

Can you guess what he was doing? Texting.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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I understand that ,but this bill wont stop anyone from still texting ,and it will allow police to do whatever they want with your phone .
Do you trust the police anymore ?



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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I actually bought two . This is one . It only has photo options,not video ,if I recall .
It's very neat really .
The other model had video .

There are many other kinds. As I looked for this one ,there seem to be newer models out now too.
I liked the bigger screen on this one. You can get internet .

www.ebay.com... hash nes&=item1c207e8cca
edit on 6/10/13 by PtolemyII because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by littled16
 


I understand that ,but this bill wont stop anyone from still texting ,and it will allow police to do whatever they want with your phone .


where does it say that?

It says they can examine it -


Holzapfel said his intent is for the bill to allow officers to check text messages. They would be required to return the phone once they’ve reviewed the data.



Do you trust the police anymore ?


mostly yes.
edit on 10-6-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Well in NY ,they've upped the amt of points on your license ,if you're caught texting or talking on the phone .
It's now like 5 points on your license ,if you are touching the phone for any reason .
I think its 7 points to get your license suspended so....



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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This one has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

It is all part of the No Texting and Driving Campaign.

I may get tarred and feathered over this, .. but. .. . ..

I agree with it. Personally I despise Cell Phones.

They take away Privacy More So than the Laws Everyone Complains about. They cause people to be rude and most actually act as though the damn thing is an extension of their body.

Is there a way that something could be DisInvented?

On a side note . .. I had a driver working for me. He was driving while watching porn on his phone. He hit a car and killed the passenger. My insurance company wrote the family a check for $800,000.00 .And it left me feeling extremely terrible. So I fired the drivers @$$. But, it was too late the damage was already done.

In the end, the driver lost his license for 6 months. No fines or anything.

Does anyone here have an insurance policy that costs them $60,000.. every 6 months?

I do.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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It doesn't say that ,but the cops lie now.
Ever been pulled over ?
They take all your info ,license ,registration and insurance card,and go to their car . Their car has a KDT ,or computer . They look up your life.
So they're in their patrol car ,with access to EVERYTHING in your phone .
You really think they will stop at looking at just texts and phone calls ?
I'm not that naive .



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:48 PM
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I know it says it has nothing to do with the patriot act ,but given the patriot act now coverers everything else ,that's not far off.
All that fighting terror . It's not enough to just datamine our phones ,let's let cops go thru them now too .
Not buying it .



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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I can honestly say that in my town the police are okay by me. There was a time many years ago when I avoided them like the plague, but once the old corrupt police chief retired and we've had a few really good ones the department has really cleaned up its act and we have really good police officers who care about the community and do their best to help people. Our police chief encourages all citizens who are able to get a Concealed Carry permit and firmly believes that all citizens should own guns. It's a little bit different here than most places though because I live in a small Texas town rather than a big, urban area.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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And you should have a policy,leave your cell phone in the locked box in my office,while out on the road .
What kind of retard watches porn while driving ?



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:52 PM
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Seems a lot of people have no problem giving up their freedoms. Fine, just don't make it so mine are taken away.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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I am in nyc . When I was little ,cops and priests really were our friends . Not anymore,so I am biased ,its true.
In my neck of the woods,this is never done to lower crime anymore. There's always an agenda .
I'm jaded . Sorry guys .



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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If you are in an accident in a big rig the first thing they do is check your phone.
It helps one take the initiative not to text, and drive.

I'll be the bad guy, and say this is an invasion of privacy we should support.

This really can save lives, texting while driving is a very real, and very deadly habit.



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