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Originally posted by RadicalRebel
all i hear from his words are..."were not gonna change anything so lets just try to be sympathetic to those we trample over"....
"Today, and it breaks my heart to say it, finding a homeless person who has died of cold, is not news. Today, the news is scandals, that is news, but the many children who don't have food - that's not news. This is grave. We can't rest easy while things are this way."
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I disagree with making a sweeping statement like that. Until we have walked in another persons shoes, we don't know how much pain and/or suffering a person is in. The natural human condition is to want to live so for a person to be pushed to the point that they have to take their own life ... well ... I think many of those people are very brave to do so.
People who end their lives probably aren't looking for your pity.
They are looking to find relief from their endless pain and suffering.
Originally posted by buddha
have you a link to the pops speech?
I wounder if the pop would include people suffering from depression?
Originally posted by namehere
my point is that throwing away your life by choice while others have no choice in death even when desperate to live, is like stepping on their graves,
how is it brave to seek escape and relief?
at what point did i say anyone sought any pity? i merely stated that i'd give none to someone suicidal who has no respect for life.
well good for them, they get the easy way out of their suffering don't they.
Originally posted by sulaw
It should be noted: That whatever belief system you corelate yourself with. Nothing in life be it suffering or not is not dealt out to those that cannot handle. As the old saying goes "God does not give you anything you cannot, handle"
As ATS will take the above said in various forms and ways, it holds true none the less and no matter or difference the belief system any individual takes.
Originally posted by namehere
certainly lamenting and praying for death isn't a sin or whatever but to act on it and killing yourself is an act of weakness, it's wrong in the sense that there are many struggling to live and lose in the end, yet you think it's so much harder for you so you give up what time you have left, throwing away any opportunities you might've had to enjoy in your time here, running away from life because it hurts and ignoring the good you can have.
life is pain, you can't live or find happiness without it. i think those willing to kill themselves deserve no pity, those who fight to live despite their suffering and those who accept their death yet live to their fullest despite their suffering deserve more compassion.
reply to post by namehere
life is pain, you can't live or find happiness without it. i think those willing to kill themselves deserve no pity
Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by RothchildRancor
I was raised "very" catholic - I don't believe in the pope, but I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I believe in the mercy that the Father shows everyone, and love that Jesus shows us, and the guidance the Holy Spirit gives us - and all we have to do is ask.
The Trinity knows each one of us better than we know ourselves. Life can be very cruel at times, and they know how we feel, and they love us, and they forgive us,
I think the jesuit pope is just going along with the - it's ok if all these people die while the vatican has enormous wealth and a lot of knowledge that most of us cannot even comprehend - life saving technological knowledge.
They've got trust fund money for obozo and his compatriots there all hidden away too. And God knows everything.
This jesuit pope IS the end of suffering, in many ways - just wait and see.edit on 11-6-2013 by Happy1 because: (no reason given)edit on 11-6-2013 by Happy1 because: (no reason given)
7 You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived;
you overpowered me and prevailed.
I am ridiculed all day long;
everyone mocks me.
8 Whenever I speak, I cry out
proclaiming violence and destruction.
So the word of the Lord has brought me
insult and reproach all day long.
9 But if I say, “I will not mention his word
or speak anymore in his name,”
his word is in my heart like a fire,
a fire shut up in my bones.
I am weary of holding it in;
indeed, I cannot.
10 I hear many whispering,
“Terror on every side!
Denounce him! Let’s denounce him!”
All my friends
are waiting for me to slip, saying,
“Perhaps he will be deceived;
then we will prevail over him
and take our revenge on him.”
11 But the Lord is with me like a mighty warrior;
so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail.
They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced;
their dishonor will never be forgotten.
12 Lord Almighty, you who examine the righteous
and probe the heart and mind,
let me see your vengeance on them,
for to you I have committed my cause.
13 Sing to the Lord!
Give praise to the Lord!
He rescues the life of the needy
from the hands of the wicked.
14 Cursed be the day I was born!
May the day my mother bore me not be blessed!
15 Cursed be the man who brought my father the news,
who made him very glad, saying,
“A child is born to you—a son!”
16 May that man be like the towns
the Lord overthrew without pity.
May he hear wailing in the morning,
a battle cry at noon.
17 For he did not kill me in the womb,
with my mother as my grave,
her womb enlarged forever.
18 Why did I ever come out of the womb
to see trouble and sorrow
and to end my days in shame?
The Pope said that Tobit and Sarah’s wish to die could not be considered blasphemy. In some situations, lamenting one’s misfortunes before God is not a sin but a prayer. Even Job and the prophet Jeremiah cursed the day they were born. “The Lord hears, He listens to our complaints.”