Drone operator who's killed over 1600 - The other whistleblower this week!

reply to post by spirited75


Yes, but when I have you sighted down the barrel of an M4 you have the opportunity to shoot back.

I am a grunt, not a halo player.

reply to post by minkmouse


you made a comment about the british not wanting to use _____ weapon because it was unmanly and cowardly.

Submarine in WWII.

Guerilla warfare in the revolutionary war.

and who had to come to the aid of the british
whit their squeamish moral codes, twice in the
last 100 years WWI and WWII? The usa who
is not refraining from using the current technology
to remotely kill the enemy.

plus my ancestors were released from jails in
Britian and exiled to America to populate the
colonies before the american revolution.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by multichild

 

The guy is smiling which is weird. I think he's an egomaniac and I think he's lying about watching the guy turn cold.. it would take hours for a person to lose all their heat and I doubt they watched a dead guy that long.

"cold " is a relative term
growing "cold" at 95 deg F ambient would be a few minutes

reply to post by JayinAR


yes Jay and I like you am an 11Bravo.

only i use a model 700.

the skill set of toggle stick wiggling is a
valid and useful skill too.

as is planning
strategy and tactics.

along with chain of command is an
element of trust as well.

those 1626 were sent to their
maker sooner rather than later.

reply to post by spirited75


No dude...It was a reference to anther poster wanting to keep war at a musket level. It wasn't meant to be a statement in it's own right.

And please stop with the aid thing...You all wanted to stand back and grow corn until Pearl Harbor was designed

reply to post by minkmouse


we did lend lease for years before pearl.

the british were begging for our firearms,
so private citizens in america, etched
their names on steel plates and rivited
them to their own firearms and shipped
them to the desperate British BEFORE
pearl harbor.

and we might have allowed pearl to happen
to sway public opinion so we could formally enter the war.

but we were aiding and abbetting the british for years before pearl.

reply to post by spirited75


So what pray tell, happened?

If people were to see the intimacy he did when those he targeted died, then maybe there would arise enough sentiment to stop this. Put it on the 6 O' Clock news like they did Vietnam. Thats what worked to help put an end to that "endless war". Oh yah, never mind, the media is complicit.

reply to post by multichild


How is he a whistleblower?

At least his attacks are against designated military targets. I really don't see how RPV is any different than an A-10 run.

It's either war, or it's not.

Originally posted by Senduko
How is this different then a killer who says sorry to a priest or in court?

You can't just do something say sorry and be gone with it. If this guy had any reall sense of empathy or plain heart he would have quit before he got the first order.

No job is worth killing for. Never, and to glorify him because he "came " out is sad. I suggest you put 1600 people in a room and then imagine how many families those have and grandchildren etc.
Then Imagine those 1600 getting bombed by an enemy thousands of miles away.

FFS we are talking here about killing and wiping out villages between coffee breaks.


The world has gone mad.

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These people are brainwashed into believing that what they're doing is "GOOD". They take them in young, they brainwash, train and desensitize them to the enemy. That way when they're shooting or blowing up an Arab, the soldiers think of them as less than animals. It takes a special kind of person to come to the conclusion that this guy did. Unfortunately most realize it much too late...like he did. That's a lot of death to come to terms with. His confession is part of his therapy and I'm sure he doesn't expect to be loved for what he has done, but he does deserve some credit for being able to see and admit to the wrong he has done. If that helps one or two 19 year olds avoid enlistment into this madness, I'm all for it.

I know a Vietnam veteran who was a sniper in Vietnam, he is still in a bad way 40 years later. He doesn't often talk about what he has seen, but on occasion after too many drinks he has broken down uncontrollably sobbing about children he shot in nam.
He has had all the counselling in the world but this guy can never lead a normal life, war is hell they say and I am
sure that is true. I never had to fight for my country and I think I am one of the lucky ones, these drone murders are even worse than what my friend was forced to do.
In Vietnam they never knew who the enemy really was, all they knew was that they thought they were doing the right thing only to come home and be treated as murderers, no one would hire them or even trust them.
And yet the players behind the scenes who order young men to fight for their country can sleep at night even though they have ruined young peoples lives.
Any government who hires a 19 year old kid and trains him to murder people from a distance is IMO evil to the core.
Yes terrorists are also evil, but who is the more evil?
Those that train young soldiers to kill from a computer screen or those that strap explosives to a young child.
Take your pick.

Originally posted by spirited75
reply to post by JayinAR

 

dropping Acr Light on the Ho Chi Mihn trail from 50,000 feet.
remote killing of enemy.

firing artillery at a target from 15 miles away
remote killing of enemy

Long range ICBM
remote killing of enemy.

why all the phoney outrage at drones killing 1626 of enemy
remote killing of enemy.

Carlos Hathcock sniper shooting a enemy in Laos from hill in VN 2500 yards away
remote killing of enemy.

fighter jets launching missiles at ground convoy
remote killing of enemy.

Agreed for all examples except maybe one. Carlos and that 172gr boattail, however
far away were made to be up close and personal with a scope. That kind of situation --
where you have to stick around a couple of seconds after it's out of the piece and
verify impact couldn't have been a happy place to live. I'm sure it took a toll on the
man, no matter who the client. Consider also the potential reprisal from back there
while you're trying to get to the extraction point. They can lob a lot back at you.....

Firstly guys, have a heart...How many of you, at 19, could withstand the heavy mind control programming that the service dishs out....
If you think that this guy enjoyed it maybe you have some latent pschopathy to deal wit...
I could see the guy running the cameras on a TEAM effort having NO control over who gets shot.
What you are doing is like lynching the radio operator on the Enola gay because it dropped an atom bomb....sheesh....
Your rude unthinking comments get tiring .........perhaps other servicemen could clue you in.....
specially combat vets.

How come this discussion just stopped? I would like to hear more discussion about it

reply to post by introV


Ok, here's some discussion...DAYEM. If he actually made 1600 he must have been shooting school buses - even if you whacked 3 guys a day 7 days a week without a break that's about a year and a half's worth.

reply to post by Bedlam


Thats interesting, didnt think about it that way and do the math on it...

So how has he achieved that on his own. That isn't targeted assassinations is it, that's literally obliterating anyone within a certain distance of the intended targets/target.

So therefore wouldnt special forces be a better way still of taking on lone terrorists, or the targets.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by multichild

 

OK, we have this:

A self-described "naïve" kid from a small Montana town, Bryant joined the Air Force in 2005 at age 19. After he scored well on tests, he said a recruiter told him that as a drone operator he would be like the smart guys in the control room in a James Bond movie, the ones who feed the agent the information he needs to complete his mission.

Yet, when it comes to warning our troops of IEDS,' they had no way to warn them'.

It doesn't jive.

I caught that. COnsidering that the entire genisis of the drone program was OHT and surveillance and communicating with ground forces on realtime enemey location, I wonder if he is exaggerating his tales for some reason. We had no problems with communicating with the operators of overhead drones when I was there. That was the whole point of the drone program initially, before they were armed.

Originally posted by multichild
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Thats interesting, didnt think about it that way and do the math on it...

So how has he achieved that on his own. That isn't targeted assassinations is it, that's literally obliterating anyone within a certain distance of the intended targets/target.

So therefore wouldnt special forces be a better way still of taking on lone terrorists, or the targets.

edit on 12/6/13 by multichild because: (no reason given)

Or conversely, it is possible that he is making # up so he can get facetime on camera?

Originally posted by minkmouse
reply to post by spirited75

 

No dude...It was a reference to anther poster wanting to keep war at a musket level. It wasn't meant to be a statement in it's own right.

And please stop with the aid thing...You all wanted to stand back and grow corn until Pearl Harbor was designed

edit on 10-6-2013 by minkmouse because: more stuff needed

Lend-Lease (Pub.L. 77–11, H.R. 1776, 55 Stat. 3034, enacted March 11, 1941)[1] was the law that started a program under which the United States of America supplied the United Kingdom, the USSR, Republic of China, Free France, and other Allied nations with materiel between 1941 and 1945. It was signed into law on March 11, 1941, a year and a half after the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939. This was nine months before the U.S. entered the war in December 1941. Formally titled An Act to Further Promote the Defense of the United States, the Act effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality.

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Between those two events, President Franklin Roosevelt worked hard to prepare Americans for a conflict that he regarded as inevitable. In November 1939, he persuaded Congress to repeal the arms embargo provisions of the neutrality law so that arms could be sold to France and Britain

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When France fell to the Nazis in May 1940, Britain stood alone. Roosevelt began a remarkable and voluminous secret correspondence with Britain's prime minister, Winston Churchill. Although Churchill desperately needed American troops, he asked only for arms and ammunition. Roosevelt responded, using his presidential powers to circumvent the Neutrality Act. The U.S. swapped 50 aging U.S. destroyers in return for British bases in the Caribbean and Newfoundland. The British saw the trade as unfair. But Churchill needed all the help he could get.

Using all of his political ingenuity, Roosevelt struggled against the constraints of neutrality. In April, he gave the Navy permission to attack German submarines west of 25 degrees longitude. That same month, the U.S. and Denmark agreed to place Greenland under American protection. In July, the U.S. occupied Iceland. On August 14th, the Selective Service Act, which allowed a peacetime draft, passed Congress by a single vote.

That same August day, the Atlantic Charter was made public. Signed during a secret five-day conference at sea between Roosevelt and Churchill, the charter called for national self-determination and stated that aggressor nations should be disarmed. If this was not a declaration of war, it was close. Roosevelt hoped it would provoke the Germans to war on America.

On September 4, 1941, the first clash came. The Greer, a U.S. destroyer, spotted a German submarine and called in a British plane to bomb it. The sub and the destroyer exchanged fire, with little result. But Roosevelt used the incident to further his intention to get America into the war. On October 17, German subs attacked the U.S. destroyer Kearney as it escorted a British convoy. Several crewmen were injured. On October 31, Nazi subs sank the U.S. destroyer Reuben James, killing 115 men

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The more you know!