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Give Edward Snowden 100% Full Immunity.

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:05 PM
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Okay guys... Hear me out. This isn't a pure pipedream and fantasy. Obama would probably sooner give his left arm than give this guy immunity from anything, and that covers all the law enforcement in the nation coming down from Executive Branch side management of the Government.

However....


That is NOT the only robust body of the United States Government capable of bestowing full immunity on a man, now is it? Folks, correct me if I'm wrong here but can't Congress grant a person full immunity in relation to acts committed within testimony they give to Congress?

This is predicated on the idea that he's honestly not given secrets that could and will get people killed, as he's said himself he has not done. If he's really been nothing but a very unique whistle blower, I cannot see the good argument against doing this, given the nature and real public interest good his revelations have been up to this point.

It really does seem like the sort of thing Congress would want to hear more about, so taking testimony isn't a gimmick to immunize. There sits the best witness yet, and I don't care if Congressional motives are political. They can be taking their orders from Santa Clause to be on the "nice" list for all I care. If it gets the guy open to testify into the public record? Congress *DOES* have this power, as far as I know.

After all, they passed the laws that ...up to this point...he's guilty of breaking, didn't they?

Why not?




posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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Rep. Peter King of NY says that he should be extradited and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Imagine that... a man is brave enough to come forward and show us what the government is doing to the Constitution (shredding it), and he says 'prosecute him'.

He deserves immunity and he needs to testify in open hearings in Congress.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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Congress passed this whole damn thing. But yeah, I say get Rand Paul or one of the libertarian leaning dems to get every single person in congress ON RECORD about their approval for this. Let every one know which reps support it.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:33 PM
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Dear Wrabbit2000,

I find the whole story sort of odd. An ex-NSA employee had already come out and stated that the NSA was using a program he helped design to snoop on Americans when the program was only supposed to be used on foreign countries. Now another ex-employee comes out and explains how it is in fact being used to spy on everyone and we don't even get surprise or anger from other nations over it. Snowden goes to China (Hong Kong) to hide out while this all comes out and the Chinese don't even bother picking him up even though he was in the CIA.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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Not to get sidetracked....but I do recall the name Peter King. Oh indeed... He's quite a scu....err..., character, isn't he? I'd hope he doesn't speak for any decent % of Congress. He's one of those I really don't care about which party he belongs to as long as it includes Unemployed in the title. I'd written a thread pretty much about just him, so the name leaped off the page.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Something tells me, if people dug a little, he might have some dirt under his fingernails too. (As if the preemptiv strike on North Korea isn't enough for Judgment issues) ...but having been a political animal since 1981? I think the King there could use a long retirement, wherever it is Congressman go when they retire. He's lost sight of what his purpose is and who he serves in his office, I'm thinking.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:59 PM
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Unfortunately I think the poor guy will get the book thrown at him. It is ruddy rubbish that they can get away with this , we should be stringing them all up for this (I do think the UK Government are doing the same).
I hope that others come forward and spill the beans on it all, then one revelation will be the straw that broke the camels back.
Brave young man and I hope everything goes well for him.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:59 PM
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If there were ever a time when a petition could make a difference
i think it would be now, if a petition were circulated enough then
maybe we could actually show our government how much the
people are just sick of our rights being taken away. i am tired
of them doing as they please and ignoring our rights, i work
in an area where i speak to a HUGE swath of different people,
from millionaire small business owners to the average joe
who works for min. wage, let me tell you, so far all the people
ive spoken with in regards to this issue feel that the government
has overstepped their bounds, most of them call for the impeachment
of the president.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:03 AM
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I seem to recall someone else saying that they designed the system. That person said that he designed the system to record everything; voice,data,everything. This person said that he designed the system to encrypt the info. It would only be decrypted under specific circumstances as needed. But after he designed it, the gov changed it so that nothing was encrypted. He said the system used less space encrypted and he couldn't understand why his system was changed.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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Individuals like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning symbolize a new paradigm. They represent an emerging class of incorruptible individuals who will ultimately be responsible for helping to dismantle the old paradigm, a deceitful, deceptive, and dishonest system.

These individuals have chosen to sacrifice themselves, for humanity. They're not the last either, in fact it appears as if this is just the beginning. Hopefully, more and more courageous individuals will come forward to throw monkey wrenches into the evil works of a depraved "one world government."

F.T.G.



edit on 10-6-2013 by seasoul because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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I just want to mention that I think it does Snowden a great deal of harm to continue comparing him to Manning.

I know some people at ATS and other places would lead a Manning Fan Club and adopt the kid if they could. Fine.... MOST of the nation thinks he's getting what he deserves though and especially after he freely and by choice, admitted to the core charges of the case to accept the prison time that comes with it. Guilty Pleas remove sympathy in MOST minds.

Snowden, by contrast, put great effort into reading and reviewing every piece of material he released or discussed precisely to AVOID what Manning gave absolutely no concern to. Harming, destroying or actually killing individual people. The difference is a traitor vs. a hero ....among other factors.

Anyway.. Just wanted to throw that out there. Comparing them doesn't raise Manning to the level of Snowden. It brings Snowden DOWN to the level of Manning and a real disservice to Snowden, IMO.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 10:14 AM
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I agree, he does need 100% full immunity. He's only doing what the president promised and failed to do. Snowden is giving us transparency.

Our government doesn't like it when their "See something say something" is used against them.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Okay guys... Hear me out. This isn't a pure pipedream and fantasy. Obama would probably sooner give his left arm than give this guy immunity from anything, and that covers all the law enforcement in the nation coming down from Executive Branch side management of the Government.

However....


That is NOT the only robust body of the United States Government capable of bestowing full immunity on a man, now is it? Folks, correct me if I'm wrong here but can't Congress grant a person full immunity in relation to acts committed within testimony they give to Congress?

This is predicated on the idea that he's honestly not given secrets that could and will get people killed, as he's said himself he has not done. If he's really been nothing but a very unique whistle blower, I cannot see the good argument against doing this, given the nature and real public interest good his revelations have been up to this point.

It really does seem like the sort of thing Congress would want to hear more about, so taking testimony isn't a gimmick to immunize. There sits the best witness yet, and I don't care if Congressional motives are political. They can be taking their orders from Santa Clause to be on the "nice" list for all I care. If it gets the guy open to testify into the public record? Congress *DOES* have this power, as far as I know.

After all, they passed the laws that ...up to this point...he's guilty of breaking, didn't they?

Why not?


I'm all for that. The problem though, is that the majority of Congress in both parties has been complicit and even pro-active in implementing the surveillance measures recently leaked. Of course if we can actually pressure them enough to give immunity anyhow, then awesome.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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I think LEGAL prosecution is the LEAST of his worries right now. They could kill this guy tomorrow (if he's not already dead), then still make it appear he's around and chatting via the web while in hiding before he goes off the grid....(just some new NSA intern posing as him, while the real Snowden is being eaten by fishes deep in Victoria Harbor. Meanwhile, Kim K and Kanye call it quits, and everyone forgets who Snowden even is.

Why?

Because it is EXACTLY what I would do if I were in their shoes.

This kid is no dummy though. I have to believe that he's planned his coming forward and escape for months, and likely with the meticulousness and detail of a super villain. I doubt he's even in Hong Kong, for that matter. If anyone knows how to hide from folks, it should be this guy. Of course, we'll never be sure if anything in the future attributed to him is ACTUALLY from him or not.
edit on 10-6-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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No wonder you have bad guys as your avatar.....you think like them





posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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One man's "bad" guy is another man's hero. It's all a matter of perspective. Tywin's duty is to his family, and to his grandson whom he feels is the rightful king. Is he a "bad" guy for trying to do what he feels is best for his family and the realm? What has he really done? The beheading of Ned? That was crazy Jeoffrey. The Red Wedding? Sure, he encouraged it, but that was mostly the Freys. The city of Kings Landing certainly sees him a hero.

The Governor from The Walking Dead? Same deal. His people saw him as a hero.

I'm not even necessarily encouraging what is likely planned for this whistle-blower, I'm just saying that if my job was to safeguard these secrets, and I had a rogue on the loose with intimate knowledge of my procedures, and who has already leaked some info, I'd certainly have a kill order out on the guy if it was in my power to do so. Morally, I agree with what he did, but that noble act (educating us on something that was actually always pretty out in the open, if you just bothered to look) has likely cost him his life. Prosecution by law is not likely what is keeping him up at night...if he's still alive.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 02:37 PM
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I think that the only way this man is going to actually survive these revelations is if he gets a lot of help and support. There are a hell of a lot things going on in China right now, including major shifts in leadership strategies.

It is not because China is not commenting on this matter that translates as China not actually being actively involved in protecting this man. After revealing his whereabouts, perhaps he has been given safe haven by China.

I think China may have a lot more to do with this than we know. China is also part of the new BRICS Alliance which will be a major player in the imminent econonomic transition.

BRICS and stones: Should an emerging alliance worry the US?
Read more:
www.nasdaq.com...

CHINA'S NEW LEADERS



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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The real fishy question is why hasn't China picked this guy up yet?

I mean, he's in their territory, he's a self-confessed ex-CIA, now NSA contractor, so open and shut case for espionage. That's what is really weird. I guess the devil is in the details. Even though Hong Kong is technically now part of China, as part of that agreement, it still has a LOT of independence, for stipulated numbers of years (depending on topic). So, his choice to go there isn't all that surprising, and I have to suspect he is INTIMATELY familiar with which nations he can expect to have the most difficulty extraditing him.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:45 PM
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Star, because I agree. I think those in charge know that people are beginning to rally around this man so they will need to come up with some new trumped up charges. Something that will seriously offend the American people and then they will move in on him. Right now he is still a political time bomb that needs to be diffused. They are likely interrogating everyone he knows and trying to get someone to come forward with rape, porn or child molestation charges, something just so ugly that people will forget the insult of having the NSA spy on them and focus on the alleged charges. Right now it looks like they are losing the battle of public opinion.



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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Public sentiment is a fleeting thing though. As soon as this whole story is off the front pages, this guy is going to vanish (and not in a good way). You can bank on it...



posted on Jun, 11 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Public sentiment is a fleeting thing though. As soon as this whole story is off the front pages, this guy is going to vanish (and not in a good way). You can bank on it...

I agree with this prediction.

And when the government machine gets spinning ... you'll hear their version of how much damage this fella has done etc etc etc. The government was taken off guard so they are in panic mode right now. The government has to turn the publics attention away from what Snowden has told them, to get it to focus on Snowden himself. Good luck with that. What he released was a major bombshell.

If Snowden bolts for Russia or CHina then I'll question his motives for the public information dump. I have no doubt those countries will offer him HUGE sugar coated offers to go work for them. But they are no better, perhaps even a lot worse, than the USA.

If Snowden doesn't take the offers that will undoubtedly come his way from Russia or CHina, etc .. then those countries will want to get their hands on him anyways. So yes .. he'll disappear .. and not in a good way.




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