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McCain: Phone Records Part of ‘Balancing Act’ To Counter Terrorism

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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More proof that republicans and democrats = same/same.
A vote for Obama or McCain ... it wouldn't have made a difference.
Your phone calls and emails would still be unconstitutionally snooped on.

McCain: Phone Records Part of ‘Balancing Act’ To Counter Terrorism

rizona Sen. John McCain said Sunday the threat of terrorism in the United States “is getting worse,” validating the government’s controversial monitoring of all telephone calls placed in the country.

When CNN’s “State of the Union” host Candy Crowley asked McCain whether he had a problem with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act program, he answered, “No, not really.”

“I think we have to understand this issue in the context of what also has been going on,” McCain said, referring to Americans’ aroused suspicions in the wake of the Internal Revenue Service scandal involving tea-party organizations and the administration’s admitted targeting of journalists, including Fox News reporter James Rosen.


Keep it in context??
Dude ... it's unconstitutional and it's a massive overstep by the Feds.
You want us to compare it to the IRS scandal and the AP/FOX scandal by Obama?
That because those are 'worse' that this isn't so bad so we should not pay attention to it?

:shk: God help us.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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Is it unconstitutional?
They did get the proper court orders. So, it is legal.

Its not right..definitely not defending this..it should be seen by our reps as a problem that needs to be addressed verses ignored due to it technically being legal. The spirit of our liberties was never meant for Big Bro to be able to do this.

But is it actually unconstitutional given it did go through courts to begin with?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Is it unconstitutional?
They did get the proper court orders. So, it is legal.


They got the court orders from a Secret Court, which itself raises serious constitutional issues for how it's role has been dramatically expanded following 9/11. That too ought to be looked at for the very question of it own legitimacy.

The problem really comes down to something even more basic though. They're so tongue tied by their own lying and secrecy? We can't even see the secret order which may or may not have disagreed with the secrecy on the secrecy. Say that 5 times fast....but there it is. We're watching it blow open. One day at a time.

Obama admin says disclosing secret court opinion on illegal spying could damage national security

How do you even keep straight what was or wasn't proper when even THAT basic question is classified from public view?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Exactly! It doesn't matter if you swap out a cog here or there for one of the opposite party, it won't make a damned difference because the whole system is broken! Folks are so caught up in partisan politics, blaming the "other guy" for the problems the U.S. is facing, to realize we are all to blame. We've put up with the nonsense...we've fostered the childish behavior that we saw from our "leaders" during the so-called fiscal cliff crisis, and elsewhere...we have allowed our government to turn into a fetid, necrotic cancer. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian...doesn't matter because we are no longer a country with a government, we are a government with a country.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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Lol, its all such bull#. The only "terrorism" thats occurring is coming out of Washington DC, yet the clean shaven and suited terrorist leaders are claiming that their acts of terror are to counter the terror they are creating, as ludicrous as that sounds...

... and people buy it!



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

But is it actually unconstitutional given it did go through courts to begin with?


When the courts are bought and payed for, and/or have the same agenda and are controlled by the same ideologies as those wanting to get the order passed, yes, it is unconstitutional.

The branches of government are meant to be checks and balances against one another... not colluding with each other because they are all driven by the exact same NWO agenda.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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This whole thing is driving me nuts!

I was talking with family, and friends about this (thinking how mad they would be) and I got they're not snooping
on me I've done nothing wrong.

I explained that it was everyone not just suspected terrorists, and they replied well I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about.

SERIOUSLY!! How can you not be upset about this!

I then explained that I'm a member of ATS, and all my posts on Facebook could be considered extremists, and if they took the initiative I could disappear for my comments.

They're response stop being anti government if you know it could get you in trouble. WHAT?!! It is my constitutional right to express myself in any way I feel fit, and it is my right to speak out against our representatives I should not have to worry about keeping in line.

What the hell happened to America? Why do we just accept this? I mean they didn't even blink it was nothing to them they just looked at me like I was a poor lost soul that this would upset me so.

I'm getting angry all over again just typing about it.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Terrorism just another word for you will lose your rights. And seeing who McCain pals around with why should anyone believes what he says.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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Good for you in sticking to your beliefs and what you sense is the right stand to take.



They're response stop being anti government if you know it could get you in trouble. WHAT?!! It is my constitutional right to express myself in any way I feel fit, and it is my right to speak out against our representatives I should not have to worry about keeping in line.


For me? It's precisely because the above may be true that it's imperative we DO stand against what's happening. In previous times of peace and calm, no amount of railing against the Government in deed or action, short of outright violation of laws (unclassified laws we all KNEW about) could get someone in trouble. That, was freedom. The change IS the problem ....and if we don't speak now, there will be no one to speak for us when it's our turn to have "done something wrong" in the arbitrary judgment of those in power.

Personally.. I know full well that some day, despite breaking no actual laws outside civil disobedience, I may pay for my outspokenness and dissent with my freedom. I made peace with that and accepted it as worth risking and enduring when I joined Occupy. Absolutely nothing has changed. I don't carelessly put others at risk who haven't made that same commitment in life, but I'll accept what comes for the stands I take.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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If you consider yourself a conservative take a good hard look. This man is a progressive scum bag just like Romney and 99% of the Republican party.


It is time we stop seeing things as the lesser of two evils. They are equally evil in my book and working on the same anti-liberty agenda. Progressives have infested both sides with filth.



The republican party does not represent conservatives anymore. How much more proof do the average people need?
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010
And seeing who McCain pals around with why should anyone believes what he says.

Who McCain pals around with? Both republicans and democrats.
So I guess you admit that you cant' believe republicans or democrats. Right?
McCain/Obama = same/same.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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You're right... they are all gangsters. The only difference is the color of the tie they wear.

That's how absurd political affiliation supporters have come to be. It's like saying that the Crips are better than the Bloods because someone supports the Crips' overall mission as compared to the Bloods' overall mission. The truth that both groups go about their missions in a completely wrong manner somehow gets overlooked... just ridiculous.

Political affiliations should be removed entirely from government. Why aren't the stats or specific votes of a candidate listed under their name when they are interviewed? Nope... we only see a letter and hear an opinion to the question... which we already know that the opinion is going to express the opinions of the group of which the letter is displayed next to the name. It's funny how when it's sports, we display all kinds of stats of the interviewed person. But, when it's something important as political decision making... all of a sudden we are content with knowing which group they belong to. 'We The People' are the real joke, because we let it happen.

I hope we'll finally move onto a stat driven political system, rather than a color driven one. Our future depends on it.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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I feel the same way although Im finding even more frequent than that opinion are people saying "yeah your right but we won't change anything its to depressing don't bother."

Even if I shut up and play nice soon or later after all the things I posted on the internet and all the protests I've been to I will get a knock at the door or a swat team at 2 am and so will most of the people on this site.

My objection to this kind of fascism isn't just high minded idealism it's also a desire to survive its too late for me to shut up the only chance for me is to keep pushing forward.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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those opposed to tyranny in GOVT are the terrorist that is why the threat “is getting worse,”

S & F



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by buster2010
And seeing who McCain pals around with why should anyone believes what he says.

Who McCain pals around with? Both republicans and democrats.
So I guess you admit that you cant' believe republicans or democrats. Right?
McCain/Obama = same/same.


You haven't seen the picture of him posing with the terrorist in Syria?



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010


You haven't seen the picture of him posing with the terrorist in Syria?


The point of the matter is this.

They are ALL the same.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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I have a better idea. Instead of constantly reducing and infringing on our Rights, why not stop creating terrorists? When you kill innocent civilians with drones or soldiers that ...well.... whatever reason they use to kill bystanders...... you usually create a number of ready to go new terrorists pissed off because their loved ones were just killed for no good reason. We have created our own enemies. Not good for American citizens, maybe good for American corporations? A whole lot of money goes to private business when there is a Good War On! Stop creating new terrorists, stop watching everything we do, stop being so paranoid, and start acting like A government Of the People, By the People, and actually For the People!



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:16 AM
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Speaking as a conservative, I have to say this is just one of the many reasons why I've lost faith in the Republican Party to provide the change America needs -- a viable alternative to Obama.

The Republicans have a history of involvement with terrorism. They create terrorists, they train terrorists, they supply terrorists, they support terrorists, they protect terrorists and they endorse state-sponsored terrorism.

It wasn't always like this. Republicans used to stand for something better; something higher. But not anymore. Now I switch on my TV and find John McCain palling around with terrorists, offering them whatever they want in exchange for Middle East 'regime change.'

You'd think the Republicans would know better by now; you'd think they would have learned a lesson from Bush era, when Americans lived in a constant state of fear--having lost more civil liberties than under any POTUS before or since--and when the US government saw nothing wrong with bankrolling terrorists (e.g. the Afghan 'Northern Alliance') for its own agenda.

You might think that. You'd be wrong.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:24 AM
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I know this is going to get me flamed but i can see why they need to have access to phone records

I believe that PRISM is just a small part of the larger ECHELON program which i can see a use for.

its not like the NSA and GCHQ are snooping on us phoning our best buds to arrange a night out or to look at how much porn we are all watching.

the reality is that the biggest flaw in ECHELON is the human factor, sure i could write the words "Obama", "Assassinate" and "Anthrax" and it just might get sucked up by the massive supercomputers at Fort Meade. The computers might pick out the combination of those three words as and flag it for further assessment. By which time some poor NSA analyst is going to have to read this (hello Mr. NSA man) only to release this communication is totally innocent and he will move on to the next one in the pile. Yet the next one in the pile could have the exact same three words but be much more sinister and so Mr. NSA man with ECHELON might just have saved the Commander in Chief.

its actually something I find really funny, we have all these conspiracy theorists running around ranting about how bad this is along with every one else in the media. Yet nobody seems to be bothering with the fact that really PRISM is just a small part of something much bigger.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:34 AM
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When you have to justify a violation of any Amendment, you've lost the argument before it's begun.

McCain has lost it. Both the argument and the mental capacity to represent Arizona.



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