Spy Agency Seeks Criminal Probe Into National Security Agency Leaks

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Yes I remember, its many videos and transcript of what the crocks have been preeching and then how they claim ingnorance, they are selfincriminating themselves is already various of those speeches going around in ATS I posted a few.

Specially the one in which Obama promised that under his administration it was not going to be any more spying of innocent Americans.

I guess we should be very worry because if the innoncen are not been spyed on, then who are the millions and millions than the NSA is gathering information on?

We most have the nation full of guilty people. I will like to hear what Obama have to say about that one

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Data mining had long started when the first web page was sent. Internet providers and the historical Alta Vista search engine were such tools of data mining, and those who got on the bandwagon or used it services had long profited from it - such as yahoo and facebook and the china search engine Baidu.

It is only a matter of alogarithms.

As to the govt benefitting from something that private enterprises had LONG benefitted, there is NO conclusive evidence of such or corruptions. As there are no evidences, your point is only speculative and NOT FACTS.

Furthermore, speculatively as you deemed it right to speculate, so too may others - if the govt had benefitted, it goes into the treasury. If the agents whom had access to those info, they are only a handful monitoring an immense daily workload and their bank accounts would become suspicious if suddenly they are bloated or they quit.

In most democracies, most govt officials are transparent with their bank accounts and earnings. We know how much the president made through his tax records, but for sure, we do not know how much the russian emperor Putin makes.

Best we stick to facts and not speculative theories that may just one day get out of hand by those on an insane edge and cause regrets later.

I'm really amazed at this ... "shoot the messenger".

What on earth, did you guys think was going to happen. You get something like 9/11 and you cry for war, and the death of people around the world. And you have journalists, report Mai Lai, and you think they're going to respond and say "Oh, we're so sorry ... we don't want to kill people ... we just want to spank them. We will never never never do bad things again".

Basically, if you truly think this is what the result is ... you're stupid, literally.

Murders, killings and wars are not going to stop. There are too many motion pictures, ripe with it ... to many children stories, ripe with it and too many maidens that dream of a white knight, who slays the dragon for that to EVER happen.

So, when the fair maiden cries when she finds out her knight in shiny armour, wasn't and that the big bad dragon, wasn't ... Nobody is going to stop the motion picture industry, and the entire book industry, because one little dumb maiden just had to open up her eyes ...

What they'll do, is make sure that the cover for the book, displays the bad dragon as even bigger and badder, man-eating-giant ... and the poor little knight, is no longer a big, brave man ... but a little boy named jack, that just out of luck slayed the big bad man-eating-giant.

And all the girls are gonna cry themselves to sleep, their heart bleeding for jack ... and all the boys are going to dream of bying dragon slayers, and man-eating-giant slayers.

And the fact, that you never cared to look deeper into the story and understand that the big bad man-eating-giant was a child, from Mai Lai. That is just your ignorance ... your own will, and desire to live in a fantasy land.

For example, all the Jews in WWII were murdered by Hitler alone ... I mean, this guy must've been nasty. And his little gun, must have had a HUGE magazine. That little bugger, running around all over the world, all by his lonesome and killing so many people all over the place ... what a big bad monster he was.

Ladies and Gentle, Hitler is not a monster YOU ARE THE MONSTER. Yes, YOU ... the guys and girls, who followed the orders and PERFORMED THE DEED ITSELF. BECAUSE WITHOUT YOU, THEY'D NEVER HAVE SUCCEEDED. And that applies, to George Bush, as well as Hitler.

The day you stop crucifying Hitler, Stalin, Al Capone, Saddam Hussein, Ghengis Kahn and other figures ... the day you understand, that what made these men ... is YOU. That without YOU, they'd have been NOTHING. That the key to their success is YOU.

That is the day, you can start seeing changes happen ... or, alternatively ... stop the whining, and help with the crucifictions.

reply to post by bjarneorn


We, the People, elected the representatives to form the govt., empowering them to do their jobs as laid down and agreed upon for a term to protect and defend America, and another if their performances are up to scratch.

Unfortunately, there are OTHERS whom seek to rule america and the world through unconstitutional means with their hare brained schemes, and WE, the People, are to be the canon fodders for these manics to achieve their fantasy dreams, to topple the govt through violence and not by legal or constitutional means.

Thus, best that We, the People, calm down and rationally work and think issues through, and not be misled by others to perform the hideous deed of cruxifictions of innocents.

So instead of the govmint cracking down on nsa for unconstitutionally spying on citizens, they want to crack down on the whistleblower?

Wtf? What country am i living in now? Seriously!!!

Upside down world

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


That is why we most have congressional hearings, issues needs to be addressed by the highest court and we the people will put forward our cases.

The problems is that when you realized that the people you elected to abide and protect the constitution goes around side stepping rigths with laws to erode what protect us the citizens is not way that the people can trust those that are in our government, neither the highest court in the land because they are proving to be complicit on what is going.

Secrecy is not what makes a nation great, or better neither powerful, but the ability of the people to trust those that they elect.

America system of government is in damange and corrupted and needs to be fixed or we will lose our nation to anarchy and power struggles.

That is not what Americans want, that is not what I want, we want what we have to be fixed.

Originally posted by Bassago

Originally posted by Maluhia
Pinocchio wouldn't have even been noticed in a crowd of these guys.

Did Clapper lie to Congress?

Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Clapper denied allegations by panel members the NSA conducted electronic surveillance of Americans on U.S. soil.

“Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” committee member Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper during the March 12 hearing

In response, Clapper replied quickly: “No, sir.”

“There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect [intelligence on Americans], but not wittingly,” the U.S. intelligence chief told Wyden and the rest of the committee. That said, “particularly in the case of NSA and CIA, there are structures against tracking American citizens in the United States for foreign intelligence purposes,” Clapper added.

hotair.com...

edit on 9-6-2013 by Maluhia because: (no reason given)

It seems part of the problem here is we are getting a whole bunch of what I call "the Clinton defense" or what the meaning of "is is." Half these jerks are lawyers and the other half are surrounded by lawyers. They'll go to their graves lying and obfuscating, maybe even believing their own BS. Not sure if there is ever going to be an admittance of wrong from any of the criminals.

OT Heard that after the Bolshevik revolution the first thing the Russians did was shoot all the lawyers. Anyone know if that is just an urban legend?

Might have been Vlad's revenge for being a failed lawyer-- before becoming
the Moscow correspondent for the New York Times.
You never know: these guys can hold a grudge for a long time when they
aren't preoccupied by trivialities like real work. That and thugs really don't
like competition.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by Silcone Synapse

 

Data mining had long started when the first web page was sent. Internet providers and the historical Alta Vista search engine were such tools of data mining, and those who got on the bandwagon or used it services had long profited from it - such as yahoo and facebook and the china search engine Baidu.

It is only a matter of alogarithms.

As to the govt benefitting from something that private enterprises had LONG benefitted, there is NO conclusive evidence of such or corruptions. As there are no evidences, your point is only speculative and NOT FACTS.

I would say my theory revolves around a logical look at the facts,rather than mere speculation.

The facts are that certain agencies are now provided with daily phone and internet records,within and without the USA,harvested wholesale without targeting specific known crimminals-as if we are now all crims who need spying on..

Does that not seem totalitarian by nature in the slightest to you SeekerofTruth101?
Does that comply with the US Constitution in your opinion?
Does it not give an unfair advantage to those with the data in terms of business knowledge-think if you spied on some company and made profits from the knowledge-would you not be locked up for industrial espionage?

Unless of course you were working for the alphabet agencies,(not you personally SeekerofTruth101)then you have carte blanche to do that without being busted...
Happy money making days for those people,yes?

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Does it not give an unfair advantage to those with the data in terms of business knowledge-think if you spied on some company and made profits from the knowledge-would you not be locked up for industrial espionage?

We trust countless government employees with business knowledge. Why should the NSA, of all agencies, be singled out as possible industrial spies? The NSA requires polygraphs, annual financial statements, and FINCEN checks. Do they exercise the same level of personnel security at the SEC? Heck, do they exercise this level of personnel security at the telco companies and internet backbones that are handling all this traffic? If anyone's profiting off this metadata, it's the corporations who are storing and transmitting it, and their unscrupulous employees. It's not the government guy whose finances are an open book.

Yeah, I gotta say, It's the corporate money that's F*#king this thing up. We, AS CONSUMERS, are going to have to make a CHOICE about who we give our money too.

P.S. I also think this NSA thing is a red herring, to cover-up the fact they have already moved onto big things
"Ooo, see we were right about those guys" mean while someone gets sacked and we all sit back satisfied. And the CORPORATE train rolls on...

Time to really think about the CHOICE you make. I guess being informed about the products you buy is a start.

The no such agency has been spying on americans, brits, aussies, south africans, canadians through project echelon for decades now. In fact its not even a secret. If holder and company had any decency in this make-believe constitutional republic we live in, instead of going after the whisteblowers of the scandals, he would be making ammends and apologising but of course that would incriminate a good portion of the top beauracrats we have in washington and open the door for impeachment and conviction from office. Then perhaps criminal lawsuits for abuse of power.

We don't live in a constitutional republic. This should be more and more apparent as days go by. Its a bilderberger dictatorship rulled by secrecy and an iron fist. Its a fake two party system controlled by the same puppeters.

Originally posted by Rocker2013
reply to post by burntheships

 

This is the final straw that all Americans should be sitting up and paying attention to.

This should have everyones attention, put this together with Press Gate, Benghazi, IRS Gate,
and Fast and Furious, the NDAA and they pretty much have been caught setting fire to
the constitution. Now they are going after the firemen.

Recent reports by The Guardian, The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal revealed a global secret surveillance initiative by the Obama administration and the NSA far beyond the scope of what was first warned about during the George W. Bush administration by The New York Times.

The Week then went on to report that the NSA is feeding off of information from at least 50 companies.

The Obama administration and various members of Congress in favor of the surveillance regime have spent the time since The Guardian’s initial story defending the program’s legality.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper even declassified select bits of information about the program in an attempt to ease public concerns raised by the reports, as well as denouncing alleged inaccuracies. The DNI made public a fact sheet [pdf] on data collection.

During sworn testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee March 12, Clapper, averting his eyes and rubbing his head, denied that the NSA was collecting data on millions of Americans.
dailycaller.com...

Originally posted by darkbake
Okay everyone this is getting bad. Punish the whistleblower... okay... well... they are blowing the whistle on major issues. We are obviously already in a police state where we are all being monitored,

and the Department of Homeland Security has the manpower to take out dissidents, and anyone involved in politics can't do anything about it because they could lose their career or be punished.

This is all known now.

Getting bad? Once September 11th happened, I knew then that this would be the end result.

The veil has come off, and we see the Beast for what it is.

The populace will be pushed into a corner sooner than later because the government has gone rogue and is now the enemy of the people. What will the response be?

America, as previous generations have known it to be, is DEAD. We are now open air prisoners within the corporate run police state.

reply to post by dominicus


Yeah, remember when some dude at the Bilderbergs called the
people cockroaches?

People, are you seeing it yet?