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FEMA The Secret Government

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posted on May, 14 2003 @ 03:43 AM
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Highly recommended!!
Read this article:

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

Rest of the article:
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posted on May, 14 2003 @ 04:07 AM
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Well you know this isn't that much of a "Crisis".

If the government were to blow up in an attack in DC...leaving say nobody alive but the janitor.

What are we going to do for the several months it takes to re-elect the whole Congress and president//vice-president?

Without those bodies nothing can be done.

So it is necissary to have a "shadow" government to govern things until elections occur.

The concern should be...will the elections occur, and that's a definate yes, I doubt Americans are so stupid now that they'd go "well darn now weez got unelected guys running the country, oh well, where's my ball of wax?"

It's just a "hiccup" and necissary to prevent Anarchy from exploding into the scene.



posted on May, 14 2003 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by ELSFAW
Well you know this isn't that much of a "Crisis".

If the government were to blow up in an attack in DC...leaving say nobody alive but the janitor.

What are we going to do for the several months it takes to re-elect the whole Congress and president//vice-president?

Without those bodies nothing can be done.

So it is necissary to have a "shadow" government to govern things until elections occur.

The concern should be...will the elections occur, and that's a definate yes, I doubt Americans are so stupid now that they'd go "well darn now weez got unelected guys running the country, oh well, where's my ball of wax?"

It's just a "hiccup" and necissary to prevent Anarchy from exploding into the scene.


Elections

u really believe that what ppl is voting is becoming president?

The president is choosen before even the election starts...
And they dont control anything, they have power above them, which means again that they arent the people who control us...

THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

In the spring of 1918, a group of people met at the Metropolitan Club in New York City to form the Council on Foreign Relations. The group was made up of "high- ranking officers of banking, manufacturing, trading, and finance companies, together with many lawyers...concerned primarily with the effect that the war and the treaty of peace might have on post-war business." The honorary Chairman was Elihu Root, a Wall Street lawyer, former New York Senator, former Secretary of War under McKinley, former Secretary of State under Theodore Roosevelt, member of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1912), and the most recognized Republican of his time. From June, 1918 to April, 1919, they held a series of dinner meetings on a variety of international matters, but soon disbanded.

In the fall of 1917, a group called 'The Inquiry' was assembled by Col. Edward M. House to negotiate solutions for the Paris Peace Conference in Versailles. They worked out of the American Geographical Society doing historical research, and writing position papers. The Inquiry was formed around the inner circle of the Intercollegiate Society, which was a group of American socialist-oriented intellectuals.

House, President Wilson's most trusted advisor, who was an admirer of Marx, in 1912, anonymously wrote the book Philip Dru: Administrator (published by Fabian B. W. Huebsch), which was a novel that detailed the plans for the takeover of America, by establishing "socialism as dreamed by Karl Marx," and the creation of a one-world totalitarian government. This was to be done by electing an American President through "deception regarding his real opinions and intentions." The book also discussed the graduated income tax, and tax-free foundations. The novel became fact, and Philip Dru was actually House.

On May 30, 1919, Baron Edmond de Rothschild of France hosted a meeting at the Majestic Hotel in Paris, between The Inquiry (including members: historian George Louis Beers, who later became the U.S. representative for the Round Table; Walter Lippman; Frank Aydelotte; Whitney H. Shepardson; Thomas W. Lamont; Jerome D. Greene; Col. Edward House; Dr. James T. Shotwell; Professor Archibald Coolidge; Gen. Tasker H. Bliss, the U. S. Army Chief of Staff; Erwin D. Canham of the Christian Science Monitor; and Herbert Hoover (who, when he was elected to the Presidency in 1928, chose CFR member Henry L. Stimson to be his Secretary of State), which was dominated by J. P. Morgan's people, and the Round Table (including Lord Alfred Milner, Lord Robert Cecil, Lord Eustace Percy, Lionel Curtis, and Harold Temperley), to discuss a merger. They met again on June 5, 1919, and decided to have separate organizations, each cooperating with the other.

On July 17, 1919, House formed the Institute of International Affairs in New York City, and The Inquiry became the American branch of the Round Table. Their secret aims were "to coordinate the international activities and outlooks of all the English-speaking world into one...to work to maintain peace; to help backward, colonial, and underdeveloped areas to advance towards stability, law and order, and prosperity, along the lines somehow similar to those taught at Oxford and the University of London..."

The short-lived Council on Foreign Relations, and the Institute of International Affairs, both supporters of Wilson, strongly supported the League of Nations. However, the Round Table wanted to weaken the League by eliminating the possibility of collective security in order to strengthen Germany, and isolate England from Europe so an Atlantic power could be established, consisting of England, the British Dominions, and the United States. In 1921, when it became apparent that the United States wasn't going to join the League, the Council on Foreign Relations was incorporated on July 21, consisting of members from both groups, and others who had participated in the 1919 Paris Peace Talks. The name change was made so that the American branch of the Round Table would appear to be a separate entity, and not connected to the organization in England.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) became the American headquarters for the Illuminati. Led by House, who wrote the Charter, they were financed by Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff, William Averell Harriman, Frank Vanderlip, Bernard Baruch, Nelson Aldrich, J. P. Morgan, Otto Kahn, Albert H. Wiggin, Herbert H. Lehman, and John Rockefeller.


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And now tell that those are also in emergency case



posted on May, 14 2003 @ 11:30 AM
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The CFR is as strong today as ever. Its sole purpose? The socialization of the world including the US.

C.A., thanks for the info.

Its my opinion that this group is the one to watch in terms of the NWO. But its only my opinion.



posted on May, 14 2003 @ 07:39 PM
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The truly scary thing about FEMA is that all it takes to activate the protocols is a "national emergency". Once a national emergency is declared, the constitution will be suspended, and all kinds of draconian laws kick in automatically.

Now, ask yourself, who is it that declares a national emergency?



posted on May, 14 2003 @ 07:55 PM
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FEMA has Prison Camps and will put away the revolting ppl in there and maybe brainwash them like the book 1984 and maybe i'll be next lol



posted on May, 15 2003 @ 06:38 AM
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Dragonrider, that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

It takes only one national emergency you say?

Well I hate to burst your bubble but we have 4 states of National Emergency left over from the depression, korea, vietnam...no 1984 yet.

Sheesh.

The "shadow government" is just to administer executive powers while the congress and president is re-elected.



posted on May, 17 2003 @ 11:22 AM
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you should all play Deus Ex!!

FEMA play a large roll in all the conspiracys. it rocks



posted on May, 17 2003 @ 11:31 AM
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Elsfaw (Hammerite, FM, PF05, ect) come back when you can hold a decent conversation, and if you intend to shoot me down, please have links to back you up.



posted on May, 17 2003 @ 12:07 PM
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You'd all be complaining like mad and begging for an organistion like FEMA to come and pick up the pieces if the crap really hit the fan. Yet again, some people are criticising the very institutions that are there to help them when they are hit with pain and suffering. Amazing.

It's necessary for organisations like this to exist in today's uncertain world political climate. It's also necessary to provide them with the powers that they will need to do the job.

Say a nuke took out Washington and New York. You're gonna need someone to run the clean up operation. There are so many jobs that would have to be done that no ordinary organisation would be able to handle it. From removing bodies, making sure the electricity supply is working to safeguarding from another immediate attack. You need something that can act quick, act competently and has the necessary resources made available to it to do the job in hand.
It's hardly likely that they will have time running around and trying to find the right guy so that they can ask him if they can have the right tools for the job after the crap has hit the fan is it?. You provide an organisation like FEMA with a mandate for dealing with any eventuality and then you have to hope that the situation will never arise where it will have to use those powers.

Maybe a democratically elected body could be set up and then given a budget. It's doubtful that they could make an effective job though.
Hell, I know I'd rather have FEMA watching my back in the aftermath of a disaster rather than a beaurocratic government department working on a tight budget with constraints in place or a hastily cobbled together bunch of citizens who don't have a clue what they've got to do to keep me and my society alive. Give me the dudes who know what they've got to do, how they've got to do it and with the money to do it, any day.



posted on May, 20 2003 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by dragonrider
The truly scary thing about FEMA is that all it takes to activate the protocols is a "national emergency". Once a national emergency is declared, the constitution will be suspended, and all kinds of draconian laws kick in automatically.

Now, ask yourself, who is it that declares a national emergency?


Really, I never knew the consitution can be suspended. That is kinda scary.



posted on May, 31 2003 @ 08:40 PM
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clearly there is need for a back up plan if the fit hits the shan...but FEMA is outrageous. Work briagades...that's crazy. Suspending the constitution??? for what purpose? In the event of an emergency turn over your rights as a free human being and american citizen. Anyone who accepts the garbage is looney. Of course they would need to control the situation but these so called executive orders are illegal. Where in the constitution (the law of our land) does it say in the even of an emergency this document will explode? In times of crisis is when you need the law to protect you in the case of FEMA you need protection from the law.

U G L Y



posted on May, 31 2003 @ 09:30 PM
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Don't worry about the Constitution not being in effect. Plenty of people have sworn their lives to defending this document with all they are worth. Them entire US Military is one such group of people, and then the Militias are always going to be here. Just like the Roman Centurions, our Armed Forces serve the nation, but sometimes through the rule of those of non popular and unfit elect.

I for one am tired of quick fix presidents. And as for the shadow gov., thats exactly the problem, this shadow government may have completely different goals and rational. I don't believe anyone on or within this board can speak for or with any accuracy on them.
Another subject of importance, this nation was intended to be governerned without alot of government inter-relation, hence the saying " a country that governs it self governs best." Meaning the PEOPLE and not a hidden and or secret group. Educate your friends and family, they might say we are nuts but have they read the Declaration or Constitution. Through doing so and seeing exactly what the Founding Fathers started, it's so much more clear in seeing that what they bagan is starting to deteriorate!

In todays world none has the balls to come out and say what they mean, politically of course. The values of yesterday are just that, apart of the past. In the ever changeing realm of Earth people need to stay open minded and vigilent against those who would take our Amendments away.



posted on May, 31 2003 @ 10:03 PM
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The "shadow government" is just to administer executive powers while the congress and president is re-elected.


But they CANT do that, its unconstituitional AND theres a whole chain of command that we go through incase something happens Vice-President...Speaker Of The House ...Secretary Of The Treasury...etc
Allll the way down to around 50 people

Its also an unelected government and cannot administer any powers as it is not elected by the people of the united states and is therefore invalid...



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by David



The "shadow government" is just to administer executive powers while the congress and president is re-elected.


But they CANT do that, its unconstituitional AND theres a whole chain of command that we go through incase something happens Vice-President...Speaker Of The House ...Secretary Of The Treasury...etc
Allll the way down to around 50 people

Its also an unelected government and cannot administer any powers as it is not elected by the people of the united states and is therefore invalid...


They even can cancel the constitituon, emergency state, red code etc etc, if they want they will, no problem david, u know is perfectly possible...



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 03:35 AM
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They can cancel documents to high heaven, I don't care what FEMA says it can do. If it interferes with Freedom it won't make a world of difference to "Majority Rule". And the majority happens to be among those who have made Vows, holding them to the protection of the people of this land. If the shadow gov makes any serious mistakes, we can just "cancel" them.



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
They can cancel documents to high heaven, I don't care what FEMA says it can do. If it interferes with Freedom it won't make a world of difference to "Majority Rule". And the majority happens to be among those who have made Vows, holding them to the protection of the people of this land. If the shadow gov makes any serious mistakes, we can just "cancel" them.


You know it wouldnt be that easy, u already cant get rid of a law that 10 mill people disagrees with, how are u gonna get rid of that?
And why do u think they have bunker and all this security?
U dont defend yourself if u know you have done all good, those doing that are showing that they have a reason to protect themselves from their actions...



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 04:06 AM
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True, the defencive posture displayed by many organizations within the gov look to be signs of guilt.

Bunkers and security have flaws and defects. Believe me, I will find them. And so will those who maintain persistence. Until signs have been clearly shown by those who hide behind the curtain, that they are without a doubt guilty of treason, I'm in no rush.

I tell you though, my pace is starting to accelerate more as every day passes.



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Bunkers and security have flaws and defects. Believe me, I will find them. And so will those who maintain persistence. Until signs have been clearly shown by those who hide behind the curtain, that they are without a doubt guilty of treason, I'm in no rush.

I tell you though, my pace is starting to accelerate more as every day passes.


Get the necessary speed and drive over mate, its time , dont you think?
Hope u find and u help other people find those defects and flows, the only way to win them is uNiTy!



posted on Jun, 25 2003 @ 01:50 PM
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Really, I never knew the consitution can be suspended. That is kinda scary.


Yep, that's correct. Likewise, CA is correct in that we don't actually elect the President. It's the electoral, not popular vote, that elects the President (no finer example exists, than the last election). Who decides who gets the electoral?


While the premise behind FEMA is basically a good idea, the power it wields without checks and balances, is rather startling, and it needs to have more congressional supervision...



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