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HAARP for DUMMIES

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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by WonderBoi
 


Despite what you and the MSM would have us believe, there is no question in the mind of any sane person tornadoes such as the recent ones in Oklahoma/Missouri have been occurring since long before the advent of 24/7 IN YOUR FACE news...

I have seldom seen such a display of DOOM PORN from any member of ATS...the last one I remember was some asteroid...

Dude...pack up your family, if you have any...and just go now to some out-of-the way place...you need some peace and quiet...honestly...and sincerely...


Nice advice here, but you forgot to recommend that the dude makes a lot tin foil hats. Frequencies, you know.... And HAARP is good at what? Frequencies! Maybe it will also help that alien infestation of the brain...



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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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I just hope people do their own research and not believe empty chatter like this.


I did my own research...What Phage posted in response to your OP is not empty chatter...

I will, one more time, ask you these questions (keeping in mind it is already a given fact that HAARP antennae are a fixed array and do not emit ELF):

How is it, that you believe, HAARP emits ELF?

How is it, that you believe, ELF can penetrate the ground and cause earthquakes, yet at the same time, cannot penetrate saltwater to communicate with submarines?

These two questions are fundamental to this thread. There is no demand for proof. Just a request/attempt to clear up the mess you stepped in...

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Dude, don't worry about me and mine. Worry about yourself. There's PLENTY that YOU should be worried about, in real life. Don't get too comfy in your wonderful world of denial.


I spoke to you earlier about real life...

Real life dictates people research thing(s) they do not understand, ONLY IF they want to understand the thing(s).

There are plenty of things I should be worried about in real life...Despite the repeated warnings and real evidence of the danger involved, I see people driving and texting, driving and texting...at speeds in excess of 85 mph...being a professional driver, this is real life...if you drive, it is real life also...

So, the question is this...Do you drive, and if so, why are you not here railing against this PROVEN KILLER, rather than something you do not have a full grasp of...I have already demonstrated through your own statements you have absolutely zero understanding of this issue.

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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by WonderBoi
 


You've progressed from not understanding the difference between frequency and energy - well done - not that I think you understand the difference, but at least you've apparently given up looking highlighting your ignorance on that matter.

But it's not really much of an improvement to insist that you are right if no-one else provides evidence of absence - that's just highlighting that you are also illogical.


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Electromagnetic Spectrum

SLF radio waves at 60 Hz may be received and studied by astronomers, ormay be ducted along wires as electric power, although the latter is, in the strict sense, not electromagnetic radiation at all
Who's the one confused?



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 06:03 PM
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ATTENTION~~~



The bickering and personal comments do not belong in this discussion.....that is what the u2u if about.


Further, You are responsible for your own posts.
We expect civility and decorum within all topics.

Stay on topic. Be polite. Face the consequences.
This is the only warning to be issued.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by siliconpsychosis
I have gone from.frustration to utterly amazed with the entertainment value of this thread.

WonderBoi , you are quite the entertaining troller. Kudos for your stamina.
What makes you think i'm a "troller"? What is a troller anyway? I thought i could have an out of the box conversation on a conspiracy sight. But, i guess i was wrong. Didn't know i'd be considered a troll? And yet, you all keep posting. So, what does that make you, out of curiosity??? I started this topic, and only a certain group of you seem to be responding. I'm not asking for you to change my mind, or believe anything i've posted. You want the smoking gun, never mind the bullets in my pocket that matches the bullets in the deceased.

BTW: can you PROVE that i'm a troller???
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Can you prove what you have been trying to say though, because so far you have yet to prove or even provide remotely compelling evidence of your theory
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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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ETR: Off Topic...


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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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You've progressed from not understanding the difference between frequency and energy - well done - not that I think you understand the difference, but at least you've apparently given up looking highlighting your ignorance on that matter.

But it's not really much of an improvement to insist that you are right if no-one else provides evidence of absence - that's just highlighting that you are also illogical.
Electromagnetic Spectrum

SLF radio waves at 60 Hz may be received and studied by astronomers, ormay be ducted along wires as electric power, although the latter is, in the strict sense, not electromagnetic radiation at all
Who's the one confused?


you apparently, since this "response" seems to have no actual connection to anything substantial in this discussion - for example how does HAARP affect weather, how do ELF's and VLF's penetrate salt water, why frequency is not the attribute you think it is, why sound waves are not the same as electromagnetic waves, etc

come to think of it I recall someone else on here trying to convince the whole world that sound waves and electromagnetic radiation are exactly the same, using similarly specious "arguments" - that person reckoned it must be true because you can hear a sound over a radio on the moon - thus proving that radio waves are just sound waves......



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi



A portion of the energy contained in the high frequency radio wave transmitted by HAARP can be transferred to existing electrons or ions making up the ionospheric plasma through a process called absorption...


Congratulations! You finally found a source that's authoritative instead of YouTube clips made by buffoons. Too bad you didn't understand it.

That info is correct, but it is unrelated to weather control in any way. Did you feel that it was? What part do you think has anything to do with weather control?

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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

Nevertheless, I'm still waiting for ANY one of you to prove YOUR non-sense...



From your own cite:



These kinds of observations are consistent with an idea called the Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling mechanism. The thinking is that in the days before an earthquake, the great stresses in a fault as it is about to give cause the releases large amounts of radon.

The radioactivity from this gas ionises the air on a large scale and this has a number of knock on effects. Since water molecules are attracted to ions in the air, ionisation triggers the large scale condensation of water.

But the process of condensation also releases heat and it is this that causes infrared emissions. “Our first results show that on March 8th a rapid increase of emitted infrared radiation was observed from the satellite data,” say Ouzounov and co.

These emissions go on to effect the ionosphere and its total electron content.


In other words, the pending earthquake causes the atmospheric changes, not the other way around.

You actually have to read for content, not search keywords.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

Can you PROVE they are being used to communicate with submarines?


Have CLICKED the link I provided you twice? The one with thousands of references that do prove it? No? I notice you never address it.

And, btw, when Sanguine was running you could build a receiver and look at the thing yourself. Still can for the Russian one.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by supergravity

United states patent # 6,219,657 apr,17 2001
Device and method for creation of emotions


Did you read the content of that patent, at all? Even the abstract? Seriously?

I mean, this is right up there in the top 100 worst non-sequitur cites EVAR.

The patent is about robotic or CGI faces displaying expressions that correspond to emotions. In the examples, they're talking about kiosk reservation systems that generate video-game-like "interactors" on the fly. The system watches your biometrics to try to determine your emotional state and manipulates the display image to fit.

I dunno, but I am pretty darned sure that HAARP doesn't quite fit that.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi

No one ever said it can control the weather. So, stop trying to mislead this thread. I'll tell you, like the rest of your crew, it messes with the other parts of the atmosphere, causing weather patterns to change. If i take a 60 Hz sine wave and boost the frequency +10 db's, what will happen? Things will begin to VIBRATE and when vibration occurs, things MOVE. I don't care if it's a tornado or hurricane. As long as it has a specific frequency (which they do) it can be MANIPULATED. Control is not the same word as MANIPULATION. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE. That's how DUMB this is.


You're boosting a frequency by dBs? How does that work?

I assume you're talking about sound here. If I have a 60 Hz sound wave, and it's at high intensity, yeah, you can vibrate things mechanically with it, because sound is a mechanical phenomenon involving compression waves in a medium, usually air.

If you have a 60Hz EM wave, you will not be able to vibrate things mechanically with it, because EM is not mechanical in nature, and is composed of electric and magnetic fields.

Hurricanes and tornadoes do not have 'specific frequencies'.


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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bedlam
If you have a 60Hz EM wave, you will not be able to vibrate things mechanically with it, because EM is not mechanical in nature, and is composed of electric and magnetic fields.


To be fair yes you can - speakers turn EM waves into sound because the interaction of the electric and magnetic fields is sufficiently powerful, and sufficiently harnessed, to mechanically move the speaker cone - and of course electric motors are another fairly important case where EM waves move mechanical constructions.

But I feel your frustration with this guy!



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
Yawn


Wake up and pay attention.

Electrons, Ions, Plasma

This is actually a good cite in terms of correctness unlike some of the others you posted. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with weather control or HAARP.


Power of Okla. tornado surpassed Hiroshima bomb

Another 'bees smell fear' statement, I'm afraid. Yes, it's probably true, but again, doesn't relate in any way.



Might as well add this:

Tornadoes do put out unexplained energy in the form of high frequency radio waves.



Yep, this happens, too. And is also irrelevant. But, let's look at it. You'll notice your cite says "high frequency radio waves" and mentions VHF. This is neither ELF, nor is it the HF that HAARP uses. It's a few orders of magnitude off.

It's related to the near vacuum at the center of the tornado when it's really ripping, because the emission level has been observed to correlate with the pressure drop. Also, the center of the tornado is lightning central, and it's thought most of the effect is simple spark gap transmission.

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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
Explain to me why Radio Waves emitted from HAARP, can't effect the high frequency radio waves found in most tornadoes?



Radio waves don't 'effect' each other in the way I think you're trying to point out. In fact, they propagate through each other as if the other wave didn't exist. In a volume, you get superposition where they overlap but the waves keep going after the superposition as if nothing had happened.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Hey, that's a picture of a microwave emitter, a small solid state version of the gyrotron used on a VMADS. And as such, it's pretty unrelated to HAARP, which isn't.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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To be fair yes you can - speakers turn EM waves into sound because the interaction of the electric and magnetic fields is sufficiently powerful,
No. Speakers turn electricity into sound.
With an antenna and a rectifying circuit you can convert EM waves into electricity. An amp doesn't hurt.
Put an antenna on a speaker and you don't get much.



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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Bedlam
If you have a 60Hz EM wave, you will not be able to vibrate things mechanically with it, because EM is not mechanical in nature, and is composed of electric and magnetic fields.


To be fair yes you can - speakers turn EM waves into sound because the interaction of the electric and magnetic fields is sufficiently powerful, and sufficiently harnessed, to mechanically move the speaker cone - and of course electric motors are another fairly important case where EM waves move mechanical constructions.

But I feel your frustration with this guy!


Not so much...electric motors use magnetic fields, not propagating EM. Same with speakers.

A straight h-field is different than a radio signal. Same with straight e-fields. In the near field of an antenna, you get uncoupled components, but once it's a radio wave and launched, its effect is a bit different.

You also see other differences, for example, the sorts of h-fields that spin a motor decrease in energy density as the sixth power of the distance instead of the square.

But calling that a quibble, I don't view a magnetic field as vibrating a ferrous mass directly like a mechanical wave would. It wouldn't move a lump of granite. It won't move that steel if it's above the Curie temperature. It's interacting with the magnetic moment of the atoms and coupling that way. It's a different form of interaction than the one you get with shock waves.



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