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Just Answer One Question. "Why"?

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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No the bible actually says that ALL will be untied to Christ in the end.


Where does it say that?

The Bible says that everyone will come to know who he is, but it doesn't say we will all be united in Christ once we do.




posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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I am a Universalist so I believe that those who believe in hell and teach hell do in fact exactly what Christ predicted. They condemn themselves to live in a world of hell (negative emotions) by the fact that they condone sin, they teach "original sin". The people go to men who teach them it is ok to sin a little, because they were born to sin a little. You cannot possibly escape hell if you believe you must sin even a little. So it is likely in my opinion that all modern day Christians will indeed meet Christ when they die, just like they expected.


I've got news for you, just because people believe in the concept of "original sin" does NOT mean that they think it's alright to sin.

Let me guess, you're not going to answer the question on whether or not you have sinned, even just a little, since you've accepted Christ as Lord.

The Bible teaches all about repentance. God knows if we're truly repentant for our sins or not. It has nothing to do with anyone teaching that it's alright to sin or believing in the concept of original sin. I don't even think you understand what the definition is.

Honestly, Sacgamer, you need a refresher course on the Bible.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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No the bible actually says that ALL will be untied to Christ in the end.


Where does it say that?

The Bible says that everyone will come to know who he is, but it doesn't say we will all be united in Christ once we do.


John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”



1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

John 4:42 They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.


Universalism


I see only two possible views. If you believe in heaven you must believe in universalism, or you put yourself in a high place. The "enlightened" should never aspire to a high place, unless it has become necessary. When correction is needed it becomes the duty of the "enlightened" to step into the "light" so that all may once again believe in the "light".

Or you can believe in reincarnation in which I see two acceptable views. There may be more, it's not what I believe.

One that we are all have the same ability to become "enlightened" and it is truly by a conscious/subconscious choice that many choose not to see "the light", thus leaving them blame and guilt to carry into the next life. While the "enlightened" will expierence life on a higher plane so to speak.

Or you can believe that we are the "light" and when we become "enlightened" it is our role to show others the "light".

My conclusion is that to know the "light" and to not help others is to sit in indifference. Although indifference in itself is not against love, you can do nothing for love if you remain indifferent.

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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Why not the OT predicts a Messianic Age and the NT predicts that ALL will come under Christ. Both the OT and NT agree, there comes a time when all men love one another, for the purpose of all.


Not exactly.

If the Messianic Age was going to be as perfect as heaven, God wouldn't be releasing Satan from the Abyss to wreak havoc on the nations and deceive people one last time.

Yes, during the Millennium (which in my opinion, the Bible isn't entirely clear on who lives in it), Christ will be in control without Satan's influence, but people will still have to make a choice in the end after Satan is released from the Abyss.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
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No one has to teach you how to love yourself; we all seem to be born with this flaw. It is when you realize that you can choose to exert positive or negative emotions on those you interact with that you will indeed exert only the positive.


This is the amalgamom. Why are we born with the flaw of self indulgence, or (seeing God in the Mirror) Self hatred, I see IT. and I cannot stand IT, wierd thing Im looking at God. Positive Negitive vanished as soon as I realised I had to pay for housing kill rabbits to eat and cloth myself. Why is this not a given AS EVOLVED AS I AM (worked for it). I will exert all negative and positive emotions, upon those that I can turn into a nice custard, providing I have enough EGGS and then EAT.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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I will exert all negative and positive emotions, upon those that I can turn into a nice custard,


cute...

Did you know one rotten egg can ruin a nice custard?




posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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I will ask a better question of myself.

Since I have been "born again", "enlightened", have I sinned.

Yes, of course I have. But let me ask an even better question, so that you may understand the "enlightened" mind.

Are there any things that have caused sin in your life before you were "born again" that you still struggle with today?

No, the things that caused me to sin in the past are the things I have overcome. I no longer willfully act against love, sin.

At times one may find themselves in an unfamiliar situation and they may choose the wrong way out. I have come to understand myself enough to understand each emotion that comes to me. When a negative emotion comes I have learned to find the truth so that this new "sin" can also be defeated.

One of the greatest sins that must be defeated, is self righteousness, as God gives more wisdom it can become easy to become "puffed up", but the one who has "puffed up" is like one who was escaping Sodom and turned back. He becomes a pillar of salt that will soon lose its saltiness.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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I will exert all negative and positive emotions, upon those that I can turn into a nice custard,


cute...

Did you know one rotten egg can ruin a nice custard?


Gkot to have Gkod balance with the eggdome. 2 fresh, 1 rotten. Its tricky splicing the endzomes into End Zones. I hate God, Why? I look at it everyday in the mirror and question myself "What about those Africaners/AT Will CANNERS".
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Akragon
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I will exert all negative and positive emotions, upon those that I can turn into a nice custard,


cute...

Did you know one rotten egg can ruin a nice custard?


Gkot to have Gkod balance with the eggdome. 2 fresh, 1 rotten. Its tricky splicing the endzomes into End Zones. I hate God, Why? I look at it everyday in the mirror and question myself "What about those Africaners".


So its fair to say I wouldn't eat anything you cook...


What you see in the mirror is only a reflection... an illusion of the mind... it is not the self...

And what about those Africaners? Whatever that is...



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Akragon
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I will exert all negative and positive emotions, upon those that I can turn into a nice custard,


cute...

Did you know one rotten egg can ruin a nice custard?


Gkot to have Gkod balance with the eggdome. 2 fresh, 1 rotten. Its tricky splicing the endzomes into End Zones. I hate God, Why? I look at it everyday in the mirror and question myself "What about those Africaners".


So its fair to say I wouldn't eat anything you cook...

What you see in the mirror is only a reflection... an illusion of the mind... it is not the self...
And what about those Africaners? Whatever that is...


The reflection 2D is all I have to work with as far as a representation of my image, (NOT SELF INTERNAL) just a snapshot of what I percieve as EXTERNAL FLESHINESS. (you beat me to the edit) After WE CAn IT/AT WILL CANNERS; meaning we change things, despite ourselves .
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:38 PM
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Are your actions/words not a "reflection" of your "image"?


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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25

Originally posted by Deetermined
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John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”


Yes, all the people gathered at the time of Jesus' crucifixion.


1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.



1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.


Yes, Jesus is the Savior of all people, but will all come to accept him?



2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.


Not wishing and doing are two different things. "Should" reach repentance isn't the same as "will" reach repentance either.


Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


Once again, "might taste death for everyone" and tasting death for everyone is different.


1 Timothy 2:4 Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Desires, yes. Will they? I still don't think that question's been answered.


Romans 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?


Yes, God gave up his Son, but Jesus said he came to die for his sheep and he said only his sheep heard his voice and not others.


John 4:42 They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”


Yes, the Holy Spirit spoke to them. The Holy Spirit doesn't speak to everyone when they choose not to listen.


John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.


Once again, "might" be saved.

There are too many references that point away from it being a hard fact. Of course Jesus and God want everyone to be saved, but free will is going to exist til the very end. No matter how hard it is to understand, there are still going to be some who choose to reject him.


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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Akragon
Are your actions/words not a "reflection" of your "image"?


They are I have the unique problem of decifering me as a humanbeing (NEW) and a God particularized. I see/know God spirit within me and question ME/MYSELF and what I have allowed as to human suffering, BAD Management and personally, NO LOVE QUOTIENT. I hate me for that I should 'fix it' and DID by FIRST PROCLAIMATION removing a VERY BAD GOD, I am not too late.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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Hi, I’ve noticed you around lol



Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I have heard this, my problem with it is WHICH IS IT: door number one: This is LOVE EMOTION (loosh, that that describes the love of an animal protecting and willing to die in defending of its prodjeny; OR door number two: this is LOVE AS A FORCE (much like magnetism, gravity, the hidden beautiful ONE). Love can be explained in either which is your definition? They can be explained as both but it is important you know the difference and why and how you experience it.


You seem to know a few things about love…

Just curious as what type of love you were thinking of during this post!!!

If you can love a crazy Wacky character like myself, then you should have no problems loving yourself…

- JC



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Are there any things that have caused sin in your life before you were "born again" that you still struggle with today?

No, the things that caused me to sin in the past are the things I have overcome. I no longer willfully act against love, sin.


I may regret saying this, but I committed the biggest sin in my life after I accepted Christ.

I accepted Christ at a very young age and I took it for granted.

It wasn't until I was around 29 year old that I realized what it really meant to be a Christian and I vowed never to return to the place I was before. I felt horrible, but I have to admit, sometimes I wonder if I would have kept taking my relationship with Christ for granted if I hadn't lived through what I did.

I considered it a wake up call that I took very seriously and I thank God every day for the many blessings he's shown me since.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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There is no such thing as too late when you're still actively searching my friend...

And I don't believe you have "no love quotient"... JC picked up on it right away...

Whats with the self hatred?


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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Joecroft
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Hi, I’ve noticed you around lol



Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I have heard this, my problem with it is WHICH IS IT: door number one: This is LOVE EMOTION (loosh, that that describes the love of an animal protecting and willing to die in defending of its prodjeny; OR door number two: this is LOVE AS A FORCE (much like magnetism, gravity, the hidden beautiful ONE). Love can be explained in either which is your definition? They can be explained as both but it is important you know the difference and why and how you experience it.


You seem to know a few things about love…
Just curious as what type of love you were thinking of during this post!!!
If you can love a crazy Wacky character like myself, then you should have no problems loving yourself- JC


My personality is not that way. I am more of a destroyer of paradyms, large scale that hinder or digress (frenchy talk) humanity. I am not mercifull, I am vengeful and wish to right wrongs on a huge scale regarding the Human Diametrics. Hey, Superman is as powerful as Batman (mebe). I cannot love a being composite as I am that allows for disenfrantizment, subjugation of human specie whatever their genetics, homeland, religious upbringing. I know no thing of love because as a "God Character" Walt Disney has not shown me to myself, maybe I missed it , "The Lion King" (nope Lucas Film Pixar probably). This might hurt but true I have no idea who I am except I created you and need enlightening.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”


Universalism is heretical teaching. When Jesus said this it wasn't a blanket statement that literally the entire world would come to him, he was speaking about people from every nation. You're one of those people that takes the allegorical and turns it into something literal and so decieve yourself.

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

So Matthew 7:21-23 contradicts your universalism because if all people were to be drawn to him for salvation, then Matthew 7:21-23 couldn't be true and would make Jesus a liar. So we can then say that your postulation of universalism is heretical and a lie.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

There is no such thing as too late when you're still actively searching my friend...
And I don't believe you have "no love quotient"... JC picked up on it right away...
Whats with the self hatred?


Im not sure. Im not an atheist. I am not an Agnostic, I feel and know I am God Partical, in so much as stating this I hate my parent for being a NO SHOW. I seek and I find myself always there, looking back at me and here is what is being said "YOU IDIOT, YOU ARE GOD ORIGIN ACCEPT IT AND QUIT WITH THE WINING".



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Akragon

There is no such thing as too late when you're still actively searching my friend...
And I don't believe you have "no love quotient"... JC picked up on it right away...
Whats with the self hatred?


Im not sure. Im not an atheist. I am not an Agnostic, I feel and know I am God Partical, in so much as stating this I hate my parent for being a NO SHOW. I seek and I find myself always there, looking back at me and here is what is being said "YOU IDIOT, YOU ARE GOD ORIGIN ACCEPT IT AND QUIT WITH THE WINING".


Hate does nothing for anything or anyone... and it only burns the one holding it... Kinda like a hot coal... No one will bother to catch it if you toss it around...and if you hit someone with it... it will hurt briefly...

but if you hold on to it you get burnt...

You don't need a label to find the good within either... so why search for something that isn't needed...


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