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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by XPLodER
does any one here realise this was set up 7 years ago,
under bush jr?
You are aware that Barack Obama is over 4 years as the President and into his second term at this point, right?
Who started this is interesting for context but if Obama doesn't own his own programs after he's started his SECOND term, are we simply saying the Government is too big for him to handle?
If so, was Bush that better a man than he, to be assumed to have that control and blame for everything Obama doesn't?
What's rather foolish, in my view, is blaming the last guy in any way that even begins to suggest a pass for the current guy..into his FIFTH YEAR of running the very same programs at expanded levels. Bush may well have things to answer for....but over 4 years of down payments means Obama owns this baby, IMO. Obama alone. No one else.
That would be why we're all kinda looking at where the buck stops, because Obama is the top and he is the current Commander and Chief. If control isn't his, then whose is it? There isn't anyone else around to claim it, that's for sure.
I wondered what angle the Obama fans/ apologists would take. So Obama expanding programs that you same people screamed bloody murder about when Bush jr was doing it makes it OK?
This is why we need a real, viable 3rd political party in the country, one reserved for those of us who don't see this as some kind of "team sport" where we ignore the failures of our side even when they are identical to the failures of the other.
What this really should be for people is yet another prime example of the fallacy of our current political party system. It doesn't matter which "team" you vote for, the only agenda they are following is being laid out by people who see you as fools to be manipulated and controlled.
People need to start using what few rights they have left and try to work within the system to effect true reforms. Otherwise our own laziness and apathy will result in the last option to save liberty being violence because when we had a chance to do it peacefully no one could be bothered to do so.
History repeats itself. The reason governments fall to dictatorships and men like Hitler advance their causes are due to one simple fact, most humans will not grow a spine until their back is against the wall (and by then it's most often too late). Cowardice allows a great deal of evil to thrive in this World.
Originally posted by hypervigilant
Telephone conversations have been electronically scanned and recorded since the 1960s.... Certain phrases or words would be picked up during a conversation and then the lines would be monitored... I have had a feeling that my phone calls have been listened in on for decades.
Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by xuenchen
Is THAT the best you can do ?
what point out the fact that the right is just as much to blame?
you dont like facts?
On Friday morning, President Barack Obama defended his administration’s massive telephone records surveillance programs by explaining that “every member of Congress has been briefed on this program.”
There’s only one problem: both Republican and Democrat Congresspeople say that isn’t true. On Friday afternoon, the press office for Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI), one of the authors of the Patriot Act, tweeted, “Obama’s claim that ‘every Member of Congress’ was briefed is FALSE.”