I don't want this thread to turn into a debate about personal beliefs regarding gay marriage. Personally I don't care who you want to spend your
life with, it's your life and your choice so if you wanna marry, have sex, or spend your life in a committed relationship with a badger go for it but
don't expect me to agree with it. I will neither support or condone it as it's your personal decision.
DENVER – A gay couple is pursuing a discrimination complaint against a Colorado bakery, saying the business refused them a wedding cake to
honor their Massachusetts ceremony, and alleging that the owners have a history of turning away same-sex couples.
The Colorado Attorney General's office filed a formal complaint last week after the ACLU initiated the process last year on behalf of David
Mullins and Charlie Craig. The case is scheduled for a hearing in September before Colorado's Civil Rights Commission.
The way I feel about this is that if the owner of this bakery didn't want to make a cake for the couple then they could have and should have simply
found another bakery. That would have been the end of it, there is no mention in this story of the owners of the bakery being rude or offensive to the
couple and as I see it there was really no damages suffered by the couple.
I can understand that some would see this as discrimination towards the couple and I also understand that this could be a very slippery slope. However
my point in making a thread about this is to bring forth the question of when does one persons rights override another persons rights.
A quote from the article that I find to actually present a double standard follows:
"Religious freedom is a fundamental right in America and it's something that we champion at the ACLU," said Mark Silverstein, the legal
director of the group in Colorado, which filed the complaint on behalf of the couple. "We are all entitled to our religious beliefs and we fight for
that. But someone's personal religious beliefs don't justify breaking the law by discriminating against others in the public sphere."
IMO a person that is engaged in private commerce has the right to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason they want. If it is a private
enterprise then why should they be forced to do something that is against their will, beliefs, moral or religious ideals as long as they decline
service in a respectable and decent manner.
The ACLU spokesman in the article even states that religious freedom is a fundamental right that they champion and stand up for everyday. Yet
apparently that religious right is not as fundamental as the right that someone has to force you to overlook your religious beliefs and go against
This is why I bring this article to the attention of the ATS community. If we have fundamental right to our religious beliefs then why and how can
someone force you to set aside your right when you have exercised it in a respectable manner? If this is the case then that right is no longer an
actual right but is instead a privilege that can only be exercised when a certain party deems it to be okay.
The fact is that we need to determine in this country when to draw the line. When does one persons right to believe a certain way override another
persons right to feel their certain way? As I already said if the owners of the bakery would have been rude or made disparaging remarks then I could
see justification for a discrimination suit, however to just simply refuse service shouldn't be.
In all reality I think that the biggest culprit in this story is actually the blood sucking lawyers that will litigate anything just to make a dollar,
but that's just my opinion and doesn't matter. I'm sure I may catch a lot of flak over this thread but that's okay, you don't have to worry about
me calling the ACLU and suing those who do for discriminating against me based on my opinion.
I guess a lot of it boils down to the fact that Americans have become weak minded and sue happy. As I said, I'm not trying to debate the issues of
homosexuality but rather the rights of a private business owner.