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The whole Gay/Lesbian issue just took a step in the wrong direction

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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So what are you saying?
Because we are straight we are not entitled to an opinion?
We are not allowed to discuss it?

Once again unless you can show me scientific proof, then we are all entitled to our opinions or theories.

... I'm also still trying to figure out why its such an offense to believe Gay people were not born GAY, they became the person they are through their lives.

We are not attacking, degrading, insulting anyone.

Maybe I feel its nonsense and offensive you telling me I'm BORN straight and it wasn't something my mind and body evolved into, who are you to tell me I was born straight when I've had 30yrs experience?
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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i don't claim to be the 'Gay Voice' as i and others have reiterated there are diverse thought across the Community, i claim what i believe, and what i have conversed with other Gay men and Woman, i don't speak on their behalf, but a reiteration of thought



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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A number of gay people have posted that they feel they were born gay.

Why should I give your opinion more credence than theirs, particularly since they are discussing something they have grown up with? You seem to want to speak for other people telling them what they can and can't experience and feel based on your own experiences growing up.

If I accept that you are telling the truth of your own experience, why should I doubt their truth?



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:46 AM
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***There was a study claiming that homosexuals comprise of 2% of the population, but within that 2%, almost 40% are convicted pedophiles. However, 95% of convicted pedophiles are "straight" - as in married men who had molested boys (same sex attraction). When you look at the ratio 98:2 (Straight 98, homosexual 2) and the fact that many predator pedophiles are married men who prey on boys ... it inadvertently draws a link to homosexuality - as unfortunate as that is for the non-pedophile homosexual and those "straight" married men who prey on boys? they are counted in the 95% of convicted "straight" pedophiles.
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Where is the study these statistics have been drawn from?

2nd line.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by cuckooold
reply to post by Agit8dChop
 


A number of gay people have posted that they feel they were born gay.

Why should I give your opinion more credence than theirs, particularly since they are discussing something they have grown up with? You seem to want to speak for other people telling them what they can and can't experience and feel based on your own experiences growing up.

If I accept that you are telling the truth of your own experience, why should I doubt their truth?


Its not possible to KNOW you are gay at birth. At least there is no way to remember it. Can you seriously remember your birth? Were you like "yo doc. you fine" "your nurse wears the wrong shade of white" ??

Just curious



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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Indeed, but i have never been attracted to females, i never made a choice, i never selected, i was born feminine, trust me i wasn't influenced to be any way that i am, maybe i don't remember my birth, but i know i never once decided 'i'm gay' or ' i'm attracted to males'



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Darth_Prime
reply to post by FirstCasualty
 


Indeed, but i have never been attracted to females, i never made a choice, i never selected, i was born feminine, trust me i wasn't influenced to be any way that i am, maybe i don't remember my birth, but i know i never once decided 'i'm gay' or ' i'm attracted to males'


I know! but you also don't remember the experiences and exposures that you had that made the connections that were made. By the time you were able to remember it was already decided. But there is no proof you were BORN gay and there is substantial research that might suggest it was a combination of experiences or some factor that contributed to the connection that you are attracted to same sex. I don't know what could have done that but have we identified a 'gay' gene? your brain isn't developed enough at birth to hold such a trait. All they know is air and food are good.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

So what are you saying?
Because we are straight we are not entitled to an opinion?
We are not allowed to discuss it?
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Sure you can but its still none of your business what other people do in their bedrooms and how they chose to live out their lives. By some of the twisted logic being expressed here we should lock up all heterosexuals as heterosexuals are predominantly responsible for crime and corruption on the planet.


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Once again unless you can show me scientific proof, then we are all entitled to our opinions or theories.
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Take a walk around the science of epigenetics - the molecules that regulate genes and you start to see some of the biological basis for behavior being explained. Even so, science base or not, it's still NOYB who a person chooses to sleep with. For me, the bigger question raised here is the rise of narcissism and why people think it is their business and personal right to regulate the bedroom behaviors of others. Theories are fine...but when theories become laws and dogma, excuses for criminal behavior..not their not fine...they are weapons.



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... I'm also still trying to figure out why its such an offense to believe Gay people were not born GAY, they became the person they are through their lives.
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When did you choose to become a heterosexual?




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We are not attacking, degrading, insulting anyone.
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Yes you are. You are claiming the right to adjudicate, if not direct and dictate for another how who what and why of their sex lives - and that is insulting, and degrading! Just who are you or who do you think you are to do claim that right in peoples lives? How would you feel if others started examining dictating and adjudicating on yours in exactly the same manner,started utilizing their social peer groups to legislate away your rights, treated you as sub human, used your sexuality as an excuse for rape,robbery, beatings?

Fact is..no one gave you that right..you just assumed it and you insinuate heterosexuality is 'natural' homosexuality is not when in nature there are substantial examples of 'naturally occurring' homosexuality among wildlife populations. In any case, just because something is common or an adopted standard doesn't make it 'right' and everything else wrong. Heterosexuality is YOUR choice and even if same sex relationships were a choice and not simply a natural result of biology, then again, when it comes to the choices of others..you have NO inherent human right to force your view on another or to demean them for their choices.

Every argument being made here about gay rights and issues is the same as those made against " the black man" prior to the civil rights movement and "the woman" before that.....It's gross and disgusting to witness this form of destructive egotism at work yet again.

Put simply, gay rights is a human rights issue and human rights apply to ALL humans, not just 'humans you like' - and from the right to marry to the right to raise kids, the right to be at the death bed of partners and the right to inherit..these rights are human rights..for humans..and gay people are as human as straight people...whether you like that or not.





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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:16 AM
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Think your getting carried away here..
I have not invaded anyone's privacy wanting to know why or who they are with in their private life.
try sticking to the topic.

I wasn't born straight anymore than someone was born gay. I was born a human with no understanding of anything.
Through my life and my experiences I became who I was.

this isn't brought from hate or fear I couldn't really care the sexuality of one person over another.
But what I do find weird is how gay people claim they were born that way, when there's no proof, evidence or scientific study proving your born any different to straight people.

More so, not all gay people think that way, some were straight and became gay in later lives.
What about bisexual people, were they born straight or gay or both or what?
Why are you all so offended with someone believing you were not born gay.
Your gay be happy, big deal if you became gay through life or not...

If you actually took the time to read my posts through this thread you'd see im not the ánti-gay person your making me out to be. This is entirely different from a race issue which you compare it too...

All I''m seeing is a social/sexual group wanting to be more than just a lifestyle evolution and refusing to believe being gay isnt some physical/cellular difference between straight people.
We're all people, who we want to be with isn't programmed in us like DNA!
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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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Why am I straight>?

Because when I grew up I admired the strenght of my father and the caring nature of my mother.
I had many straight friends who had girlfriends.

I played kiss chasey in primary school, remember on TV and in life seeing girls kiss boys so, i went for the girls.

I had a highschool crush on a young girl in my year.
I watched porno when I was 15 and loved it.

was I born straight?.. no.. but through my life experiences I found myself enjoying the female body/mind more than the male.. thus, females are who I want to be with.

When I was 1yr old I couldnt give a damn about anything accept food and sleep.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Rosha
 


Think your getting carried away here..
I have not invaded anyone's privacy wanting to know why or who they are with in their private life.
try sticking to the topic.



Carried away?
Tell it to the dead teens and innocent people of the US and the world who are dead simply because they were gay and therefore unacceptable to the over-verbal over-weaned yet ignorant masses of fearful people who THOUGHT they had the right to have a say on who and what people could and couldn't be.


Carried away? Pffft.

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I wasn't born straight anymore than someone was born gay. I was born a human with no understanding of anything.
Through my life and my experiences I became who I was.
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When did you CHOOSE to become a heterosexual?

If YOU have had the experience you say above, you are saying you were born asexual and as you grew up you had no instinctive sexual attraction to either gender? Hmm..ok..kudo's cheers and all that...even so..it is NOT the same for others automatically. can you not see that? Your experience is unique to you as you lived it. It is not " the" experience of the entire human race.

Why is that so hard to fathom?


Rosha


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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:32 AM
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For crying out loud..
no one here is saying a harsh word against anyone.. especially not me.
I couldnt care someones sexuality I will buy them a beer anyway.
So dont cry to me about dead teenagers when this thread is nothing of the sort.
No one here is arguing against homosexuality or homosexuals, just this myth being thrown around that your born with your 'gayness' like blue eyes or a cleft lip.





When did you CHOOSE to become a heterosexual?


I didn't, It was the person I became through life experience.
Why do you have such a hard time accepting that?
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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I had a highschool crush on a young girl in my year.
I watched porno when I was 15 and loved it.

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So you had a biological attraction to girls not boys then - see that was painless...simple... argument over. done.

Other humans DON'T have this opposite sex arousal....and that factoid doesn't make them sick sad bad aliens

Get over it!



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I had a highschool crush on a young girl in my year.
I watched porno when I was 15 and loved it.

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So you had a biological attraction to girls not boys then - see that was painless...simple... argument over. done.
Other humans DON'T have this opposite sex arousal....and that factoid doesn't make them sick sad bad aliens
Get over it!


hang on a tic..
i have a gay friend who was straight all through his teens 20's.. he had sex, kissed girls he was attracted to them.
Is he fake gay now? or did he become gay through experience and prefer that sexuality?

PS, please try to keep this mature, 10pages so far its been good..



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop


When did you CHOOSE to become a heterosexual?


I didn't, It was the person I became through life experience.
Why do you have such a hard time accepting that?
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I do accept it..it makes not a squat of difference to me..it just adds to my argument that at some point in your life, you reached a point of sexual maturity and you became attracted to others sexually..at THAT time you selected females not males as a 'crush' because you are naturally inclined towards females..they were attractive to you..you chose *not* to crush on males.

Arousal in the fist instance is psychological but it remains a biological process....many gay people from THIS point of sexual maturity, could not even get it up when pushed to be " a man" and date females or visa versa..more they were repulsed by the notion of heterosexual sex acts and aroused by the opposite.....regardless of what tv they watched..or if their parents were hetero or gay.

Everything else is window dressing and more about fear and control than gay sex being 'wrong' or 'unnatural' imo. Wrong and unnatural to and for you?Ok and well done for making that choice..just don't dare to claim the right to make that choice for others. There is no such right.


Ro



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:46 AM
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So I can chose to be straight, but not gay? I have to be born gay?



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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as stated, i am not offended by your views, i get offended when people say the troubles i have gone through is because i selected this 'Lifestyle' and if i wanted a better one i shouldn't have selected to be gay,

it becomes offensive when people say your choice was to be gay, so you have to deal with the life you selected

i know you have said none of that, nor am i accusing you of saying that, but it's been brought up countless times in mine and other gay peoples life



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I had a highschool crush on a young girl in my year.
I watched porno when I was 15 and loved it.

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So you had a biological attraction to girls not boys then - see that was painless...simple... argument over. done.
Other humans DON'T have this opposite sex arousal....and that factoid doesn't make them sick sad bad aliens
Get over it!


hang on a tic..
i have a gay friend who was straight all through his teens 20's.. he had sex, kissed girls he was attracted to them.
Is he fake gay now? or did he become gay through experience and prefer that sexuality?

PS, please try to keep this mature, 10pages so far its been good..



Excuse me?
Since when has 'get over it' been immature? Its quite possibly the most mature and simplest way to resolve this 'debate'. You use specious reasoning and arguments to try to elevate your position and then call me immature? As I said form the outset..its simple..its NONE of your business!


*You* have made this an issue of born v made and yet to me there is no issue as there is no 'one stoke fits all' in the gay community any more than in the heterosexual community. This is a HUMAN issue..



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
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So I can chose to be straight, but not gay? I have to be born gay?



I have very carefully used words such as 'many' and 'some' and have not brush stroked my views as being the case for 'all'. Please, read posts before responding.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:53 AM
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I was more referring to

Other humans DON'T have this opposite sex arousal....and that factoid doesn't make them sick sad bad aliens


Look, maybe this issue is a little close to home for you and hey that's fine.
But don't accuse me of inciting hate or infringing on your personal life.
I'm accepting of what ever sexuality you want to be, I never brought my sexuality into this thread or others.

However, no one has offered up any proof or evidence for this 'fact' that your born different and thus are gay.
I find that hard to believe just because you (and others) say it is so. My life experience tells me I never chose to be straight or gay I simply became straight through experience.
Why you have such a hard time accepting that possibility I dont understand. Its not like we're accusing you of being less than human or outcasts, I'm simply saying we were born equal. And through no fault or CHOICE of our own, we became who we are through life experiences.

take it or leave it, but dont accuse me of being some stone age thug type nazi. Cause your barking up the wrong tree.



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