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Finally! A Washington IRS Scandal connection: IRS Lawyer Carter Hull!

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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THIS Just In:


WHO IS IRS LAWYER CARTER HULL - AND WHO IS HIS BOSS?

Two Internal Revenue Service employees in the agency's Cincinnati office told congressional investigators that IRS officials in Washington helped direct the probe of tea-party groups that began in 2010. Transcripts of the interviews, viewed Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal, appear to contradict earlier statements by top IRS officials, who have blamed lower-level workers in Cincinnati.

Elizabeth Hofacre said her office in Cincinnati sought help from IRS officials in the Washington unit that oversees tax-exempt organizations after she started getting the tea party cases in April 2010. Ms. Hofacre said Carter Hull, an IRS lawyer in Washington, closely oversaw her work and suggested some of the questions asked applicants. "I was essentially a front person, because I had no autonomy or no authority to act on [applications] without Carter Hull's influence or input," she said, according to the transcripts.

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IRS employees: Washington IRS official Carter Hull oversaw targeting of conservative groups




As The Daily Caller has reported, at least five different IRS offices in Cincinnati, Ohio; Baltimore, Maryland; Chicago, Illinois; Laguna Niguel and El Monte, California; improperly demanded extensive information from conservative groups applying for tax-exempt nonprofit status between 2010 and 2012. The IRS demanded copies of training materials distributed by conservative groups, as well as personal information on college interns and even the contents of a religious group’s prayers. One employee of the agency’s Cincinnati office told congressional investigators last week that Washington was “basically throwing us underneath the bus.” Carter Hull, who is a co-author of a 1995 chapter [pdf] on scrutinizing 501(c)(5) labor unions in the construction industry, lists his residence as Silver Spring, Maryland on his Facebook page.


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More Links:
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How long will it be before someone ties this fellow Carter Hull...directly to Valerie Jarrett?
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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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Carter Hull also goes by Carter C. Hull.
I'm currently digging and so far found this:
www.thesipa.com...

www.corporatecrimereporter.com...

He appears to be an IRS Attorney in D.C.
The above doc. deals with NASD and the IRS.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by IAMTAT
THIS Just In:



Elizabeth Hofacre said her office in Cincinnati sought help from IRS officials in the Washington unit that oversees tax-exempt organizations after she started getting the tea party cases in April 2010. Ms. Hofacre said Carter Hull, an IRS lawyer in Washington, closely oversaw her work and suggested some of the questions asked applicants. "I was essentially a front person, because I had no autonomy or no authority to act on [applications] without Carter Hull's influence or input," she said, according to the transcripts.

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Not to go all...reason and rationality on you...BUT....

Isn't the scandal about which orgs were selected for scrutiny?

Not what questions should be asked to determine thier status AFTER they have been selected for deeper scrutiny? Which seems to be the guidance this emplyee was asking her superiors for. Which makes sense.

If this is the best evidence of a connection to higher ups..it is not there.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Not if the questions were formulated based upon who the groups were. Isolate, then attack.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 05:03 PM
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The scandal is about treating people differently under the gov't's protocols.

It's a sad day when the american people don't even understand what the gov't's role is supposed to be.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Happy1
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The scandal is about treating people differently under the gov't's protocols.

It's a sad day when the american people don't even understand what the gov't's role is supposed to be.


In a dog eat dog world, the gov'ts role is to stay in power, and keep it's own party ruling as long as possible.

They are doing everything right.

Pure capitalism at it's best. Ruthless efficiency in securing, controlling, and profiting from the resources of the land and peoples.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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pure capitalism has never been tried
this is about tyranny



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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IRS Attorney Carter Hull Sent Targeted Letters to ACLJ Tea Party Clients from Washington, D.C.





Carter C. Hull, a Tax Law Specialist with the IRS Exempt Organizations Technical Group in Washington, D.C., helped write the book, literally, on 501(C)(4) Organizations for the IRS.

But more importantly, Carter Hull sent targeted inquiry letters to our targeted Tea Party clients, as evidenced here, demanding answers to intrusive questions “under penalties of perjury.”

The more we learn about what happened the more it becomes clear that the IRS targeting was severe, widespread, and ongoing, despite the repeated claims of the Administration.

Evidence:
media.aclj.org...


aclj.org...



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
pure capitalism has never been tried
this is about tyranny



same difference
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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The scandal is about which groups were picked for deeper scrutiny and also what questions were asked and the information requested from them. I guess MSNBC didn't tell you that part? So using your "reason and rationality" you should be able to see that this clearly is relevant.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by Indigo5
 


The scandal is about treating people differently under the gov't's protocols.

It's a sad day when the american people don't even understand what the gov't's role is supposed to be.


Hmmm....You seem to be disregarding my simple point.

The headline reads..."Finally! A Washington IRS Scandal connection: IRS Lawyer Carter Hull! "

Which accurately reflects the desperate, eager, partisan goal of racing to assign blame to the Whitehouse vs. carefully examining what happened and who is responsible.

Those are two seperate goals...if they arrive at the same destination...great, those responsible, whomever they are, should be held accountable.

BUT skipping the whole evidence, investigative reason, login and facts part...to race to a PARTISAN conclusion is pure irony and hypocracey...when investigating the same ethical lapse in others.

The classification of 501(c)s is one of the most ambigous in the tax code. Differentiating a "social cause" from a "primarily political organization" while the IRS has given limited guidance, is VERY difficult. It is a mess.

So the fact that a staff level IRS agent might ask a higher-up for guidance on WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK...AFTER AN ORG HAS BEEN TAGGED FOR SCRUTINY...is not unusual in the least. I wouldn't expect anything else in this scenario.

BUT...Hoping that people cease thinking...and confuse THAT question ...centered on what questions to ask to come to a conclusion...With the question of...what orgs do we select for further scrutiny and to ask those questions...and then scream WHITEHOUSE...FINALLY..

It is PARTISAN, SLOPPY, DISHONEST thinking and undermines legitimate investigations that need to be followed.

(A) WH to IRS..."Look for conservative orgs...hit as many of the Tea Party Groups as you can"
(B) IRS to IRS ATTORNEY..."So once we have identified a 501(c) for detailed scrutiny, what questions should we ask to determine if they are "Social org" vs. "Political org"...what's the protocol for making that determination?"

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS...(B) IS RELECTED IN THE TESTIMONY....(A) IS NOT



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 11:22 AM
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FROM THE OP



Elizabeth Hofacre said her office in Cincinnati sought help from IRS officials in the Washington unit that oversees tax-exempt organizations after she started getting the tea party cases in April 2010.

Ms. Hofacre said Carter Hull, an IRS lawyer in Washington, closely oversaw her work and suggested some of the questions asked applicants.


Adopting a dishonest partisan approach to investigating a dishonest partisan approach in the way the IRS selected who to audit...is a recipe for turning legitimate investigation into easily discredited partisan politics.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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This is such a non-issue that it borders on the idiotic. There were mistakes made in name of efficiency of processing the abundance of new applications for 401c4s, most applications singled out for reveiw were not 'tea party' affiated. Should be handled with SOP (Standard Operating Procedures) administrative review and discipline.

This is typical - obstruction and sensationalization - of minor matters to stall government in it's tracks.

It is SOP for the republicans to do this and waste billions of taxpayers dollars on nonsense.

Who the heck cares? Who makes money off this stuff?

I don't want my money wasted on this stuff - and it is an opinion - the line between what warrents this type of scrutiny and what does't. I would rather we investiage in public those things that will affect us over the long haul not those things that are already over and done.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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fyrebyrd you don't have a avatar so here's one fitting for you.

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Carreau
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fyrebyrd you don't have a avatar so here's one fitting for you.

edit on 8-6-2013 by Carreau because: (no reason given)


What, are you twelve? Just denying your own ignorance, perhaps?



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Wow you sound like Hilary Clinton. Hilary is that you?

Hilary's comment (does it matter)?

It matters to educated people who don't want a dictatorship. Maybe it doesn't matter to you It matters to me. Let the games play out!



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Oh and one more thing you're right this government doesn't need stalled in it's tracks.

It needs stopped!



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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It was going to come out sooner rather than later that
President Obama authorized there tactics, after all the IRS
visited the Obama white house 175 times during his first
term.

Richard nixon got in trouble for wiretapping one office.






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