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Okay, that's a double-fault then. You not only DIDN'T watch the OP video, you ALSO have not produced a counter-point video to refute it!
FACT: Muslims in the world are being violent among each other, in EVERY PLACE that they are - and also toward the British, and Americans. They are disturbing the peace.
60 years ago doesn't change the fact that European / Americans have a history of bloodshed.
Theres a reason why the Nazis are reviled to this day. The fact that their evil was carried out 60 years ago doesn't mean anybody would kiss and make up with the Nazis.
Over and over, day after day, your logic and arguments are consistently well the Christians did so-and-so..... well the Jews believe such-and-such.... well the Hindus have done such and such...."
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Rosinitiate
You can find hate and intolerance in all 3 faiths of Abraham. I guess I don't understand why the focus on Islam. Was it simply from the video you posted?
I'm educating myself on ALL major world religions. I've exhausted Christianity. I've covered Buddhism. I know some about Jews, but not enough yet to feel honestly "knowledgeable" about it.
I've studied Islam via the web, and texts by scholars and researchers - I am now addressing "regular" Muslims to find out more on a personal basis what the ATS Muslims think.
Next I'll move on to Hindu, I think.
WHY focus on Islam? Because World War Three is breaking out IN MUSLIM ZONES, and I'd like my children and their children to be SAFE from the rampant destruction and savagery I see going on in the Middle East and Africa.
ISLAM is STILL violent and not with the program. And 'the West' I have already pronounced as contributing to the problem by interfering and "aiding" rebels. So make a point. A REAL point.
I even made the points in the OP that were of concern. You haven't addressed ANY of them adequately.
.... you're behaving like a little kid, and not contributing ANYTHING to back up your claim of "Islam" being "peaceful."
WHat about them???
So in other words you read a book about books on the Abrahamic religions.
What about the Torah, Bible and the Koran... the original books on Abrahamic religions?
Originally posted by wildtimes
Okay, I'm going to try this ONE MORE TIME:
This is a re-post from page ONE of this thread:
I HOPE that by now anyone who reads my posts can see that I HONESTLY do not know who to believe.
I agree that the WEST should BUTT OUT of the Middle East altogether -
and I'm currently reading "Dirty Wars" by Jeremy Scahill -
it is a scathing piece of journalism about how Rumsfeld has usurped Government balance of power to promote violence and war over there. I believe this to be true.
Oddly, there is a clip of him in this documentary - also of Connie Rice - and it DOES "promote" intervention and stoppage by force. WITH WHICH I DISAGREE!!
Still, recent events (and ongoing ones) do lend one to be suspicious of anyone who is claiming "that isn't Islam" - because as far as we can tell, it IS Islam. I'd like to see or hear some "experts" that back up and explain the "real Islam" - have yet to find anyone but regular Muslims trying to do so -
therefore, I STILL DON'T KNOW what to think, and until I feel confident that I "know" (which I'm guessing at this point is going to prove IMPOSSIBLE), I will resist Islam AND I will resist the West going over there and making trouble.
It's a horrible mess. I'm VERY confused, and just doing my best to figure it out.
Thanks for your help.
Now SHOW ME who is to be regarded as an HONEST academic!! I can: Karen Armstrong. But you still haven't read her book, have you!? No. You haven't. And I bet you won't, because it might be disillusioning for you in your "happy perfect Islam" worldview.