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Originally posted by maddog3n8
reply to post by mekhanics
No actually...projecting much?
So..I am supposed to spoon feed you every verse from the Koran and Haidiths, by transcribing in context how it was presented, so that you can answer my question, which simply put is....WHERE ARE THEY WRONG IN THEIR ASSERTIONS!!!!!
Mark the word “OR” in the above verse. ‘Wives or possessed-women’, (not ‘the wives and possessed women’) were the initial restrictions. Then a few years later, in Madinah, the final verdict came; “If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may marry (instead of resorting to free sex with) believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess. Moreover, Allah has full knowledge about your faith. You are one from another. believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess This (permission of marriage with captive-women) is for those among you who fear sin but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving. Most Merciful” (4:25)
He freed them so he could "marry them", or "marry them off", or "adopt them"? Sketchy.
Originally posted by maddog3n8
reply to post by undo
While I don't profess to being a theologian....I have read a number of articles that would suggest that the Book of Revelations was written in code to send messages back to the other Christians. If you search "666" and "Nero", you will find some compelling evidence that the "Number of the Beast" was actually talking about Nero. Whether that is true or not, well I will leave that for you to decide.
I would say though, that you hypothesis has merit, Islam didn't come into being until over 600 years after Christ. I would submit that your posit has just as much bearing on the issues at hand then anything else I have read so far on this thread!!!
The head of the religion department at Luther College in Iowa recently argued that Jesus Christ, the central figure of Christianity, was in fact, a Muslim.
According to Shedinger, Islam is a “social justice movement,” not a religion, and since Christ supposedly supported “social justice,” that makes him a Muslim. To quote him, “I came to the conclusion that [Islam] was a social justice movement and I think that’s who Jesus was in the first century so I conclude Jesus is more like a Muslim.”
Where do we begin with what’s wrong with this picture? The first and most obvious point would have to be that Christ, being born roughly 600 years before Islam even existed, is not capable of being a Muslim. To be sure, if you believe there are commonalities in values between Islam and Christianity (which scholars in both faiths do, in fact, believe), you could argue that Christ held some Islamic ideas. But to claim that he was a Muslim is to take it entirely too far.
Moreover, if we are talking about which religious founder actually got his ideas from the other, would it not be more accurate to say “Muhammad was a Christian.” After all, if Christ’s teachings are virtually indistinguishable from Muhammad’s (which seems to be the main thesis of Shedinger’s argument), and Christ came first (which he unquestionably did), then clearly it’s Muhammad who ripped off Christ, not the other way around. Of course, a book titled “Was Muhammad a Christian” might get a sizably larger amount of backlash from some of Muhammad’s less…shall we say, “socially just” followers, but it also would have been more intellectually honest.
Finally, about that “social justice movement” description, we’d like to hear more of an explanation about how a religion that encourages female circumcision and conquest of any and all unbelievers is somehow tied to “social justice,” or, if it doesn’t support these things, why people who believe it does are wrong. We also wonder why a social justice movement would be based around a belief that there is no God but theirs and their founder is the only legitimate prophet. We expect to be waiting a long time regarding these points.
Islam didn't come into being until over 600 years after Christ?
Which you have summarily dismissed without watching!! If you haven't watched, you should keep your teeth together,
The hilarity of this is that you don't know how stupid you are being!!!!