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Islam: What the West Needs to Know (full documentary)

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 03:06 AM
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Can Ijust say that the Stacey Dooley video is a BAD choice, the reason is that almost all posts of this video actually only show half of the programme, in the second half she befriends these covered attackers and even wears the full burqua.

In the end the programme comes across as at odds with itself and trying to cater for both sides and fails..

What people need to understand about Islam are the people following it, the faith by nature is a pretty nasty one and if you add the man made stuff it becomes even more worrying and contrived against both women and Non Muslims, but people should understand the 3 types of Muslim before they go on to try and understand Islam directly, its the people that you need to understand first.

1. Radicals....People who follow their version of the book and the many man made additions and off shoots of the faith. These people have zero liking for the West, the West itself is seen as a place to conquer (their word, not mine), the West must be brought under Islamic Shariah control asap under whatever means needed (again, not my idea of how, their own many repeated want), violence especially suggested as they see it as a war against the Kuffar / Non Muslims and only Muslims must be left.

That is how they see it, ask them like I have and they will happily agree...

Radicals are a huge range of people, from the lowly or non educated who are ingrained by constant cultural almost brainwashing to very educated who see Islam as a source of power.

2. Moderates, or stealth Radicals as I know them, these must NEVER be trusted yet these are the intermediary that most governments use especially the Obama line up. These are the two faced version of Islam, they use a belief that Islam gives them the ability to deceive to get their way, it isn't classed as a sin or lying, its an allowed law.

These people will talk compassion and integration to your face and then return to very Radical countries and preach their true beliefs in the radical side.

And then the very important people, the NORMAL Muslims...

These are the proper core we need to understand, these are people who look at the book and have evolved, they refuse the bad parts and follow merely the good and intelligent parts which ARE in the Quran. They integrate, they still follow their faith as a thing of peace and understanding. They live in what would be classed as foreign countries and adapt to the countries laws and ways while having their faith that they do not lose.

These people would almost be impossible to tell in the UK, non Muslim British folk could live next door to them and never know because they do not force their faith on others.

This is the educated evolved Muslims who have cast aside the barbaric teachings and the man made verses of hate, they simply like many faiths use their belief to make them feel good.

These are the people Non Muslims must understand exist, you can actually be a Muslim and not want to wield an axe and attack people, my in laws and my extended Muslim family are total proof of this, they are spread across Europe, the US and Canada and are some of the most lovely people you could meet, whatever country they are in they merge with the traditions and culture, they LOVE their countries and its ideals (the good ones obviously) and embrace the culture while still having their own identity and worship.

And lets not forget that I am NOT a Muslim, I'm a good old Belfast born Brit who has zero interest in religion for me but respects other religions that respect me back. The family had no problems with me marrying in to it and they globally accepted me as part of the family from day one.

So please people, understand the 3 types of Muslim before you put Islam in to a box, yes on the face of it , it is a barbaric cruel belief system if you look at it from one direction, however there is some very educated and well meaning stuff in there too, it actually does not seek to force itself upon people, it says to allow others to make their choices and for those that don't choose Islam that as a Muslim you must still welcome these people as friends and equals, its merely the radicals who choose otherwise, but most importantly, its the way Muslim interprets it,, many have evolved and choose what they believe makes life better and pursue only that side, these are the people we must not tar and father and welcome them.

Ignore Islam and look at the person, that's the important thing here...

The old saying of trust no one still applies, people must prove themselves by their actions, this applies to us ALL


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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 04:57 AM
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"Would you really? I don't think you are aware of your rights."

I think I am very aware of my rights thank you!

Free speech would not apply, I would be jailed for breach of the peace, and any resistance would get me a police assault charge also!

I don't think you are aware of how totalitarian the British police are towards white people, trust me its a double standard!

"Poor wee starving wanes/kids/children" This is a Scottish saying, do you have a problem with that? What's wrong with that statement?

Or are you suggesting Stacey Dooley has not done charity work with starving children?



www.youtube.com...

So you are ok with said video(Stacey Dooley being verbally abused)? I thought you were suggesting the video was islamophobic. My bad, guess I must have been wrong.

Please excuse any bad grammar or spelling right now i'm on a phone.
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:13 AM
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And then the very important people, the NORMAL Muslims... These are the proper core we need to understand, these are people who look at the book and have evolved, they refuse the bad parts and follow merely the good and intelligent parts which ARE in the Quran. They integrate, they still follow their faith as a thing of peace and understanding. They live in what would be classed as foreign countries and adapt to the countries laws and ways while having their faith that they do not lose.

so the only normal muslims are the ones who have made their religion just an identity sake thing like the christians?
And anyone who practices islam fully is a radical and waiting to get to you to do their duty of killing an infidel? Really?



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by Kgnow
reply to post by mideast
 




Do you like to get to the truth ?

Or

You like to find something which confirms your idea ?

You will find the truth by proving yourself you are worthy of.

But if you want to play enemy , there are many ways in many religions that can help anybody be enemy of the religion.

And the fact that there are war on religion , that can be most likely for average person to get stuck into one of these fights.

I believe that god doesn't hide the truth , but it is me and my past that is hiding it from myself.

If you believe that , you may get the truth .

peace.


If you are calling me a liar and alleging that I am wrong, then re-read my replies in this thread and tell me where and how I have said anything other than truth while referring to Allah, Qur'an, Muhammad, and Hadith.

I declare myself no one's enemy. I see Muslims and non-Muslims as my fellow humans, my fellow family. I only spread awareness to the truth about Islam that I have learned first-hand from sheikhs and muftis when I used to be a Muslim.

Prove my points wrong if you can. Stop the deflections and avoidance of the discussion.


That is the worst way to interpret my words.

I didn't judge you , I explained how some one can stand to the truth.

+ Can you assume that your inspection of Islam could have been wrong ?

Because as long as you do , you can get the more true version of Islam.

And I do believe that Islam is not a one day pill. Trying , winning and failing in greater Jihad is needed to help some one get to the truth.

And the day that I put my foot on all I have discovered (with no true reason) is the day that all my treasures will be turned into stone.

There are some virgin facts that are principles in all religions.

That is one bitter fact.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:37 AM
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I must admit that this thread is like many Persian cheap forums that are filled with people who don't know what they know , what they don't know.That is a major problem. The people who want to get everyone else into illusion without bothering to look for the biter truth.

But something here is unique.

The war-mongers who support Zionism and war at any cost.

I haven't seen that level of bigotry anywhere else.

It is a virgin bigotry I most introduce my friends to.

To all war-mongers



I have learned to use many weapons for war and I will fight every single war-monger greedy people who decide to enter my country.

Peace to peaceful people.

I'm out.

I won't reply.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by logical7
 


No it came from the video... that is the topic of this thread...

Thank you for your reply

I suggest you and babloyi watch the video if you haven't already and respond accordingly... Considering you are the people that know this religion...

That might have quashed this flame before it started... ye know?


thanks for the suggestion to quash this flame but decades of MSM programming cannot be undone by few muslim posters especially when there is no sincere intention to learn from the other side by most, wildtimes and some others are more open but most come to throw some ignorant wood in the fire, warm their backside and leave!!

I would love more questions from you. I watched the video more than once, i keep looking for videos like that which challenge my faith and then i investigate their claims till now it has been just rants of islam haters which get cleared by a little knowledge, it does amuse me that they actually study Qur'an and Hadiths just to find faults

although i recently heard that a close associate of Geert Wilders, a known islam hater, converted to Islam while trying to find faults in Qur'an.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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The true meaning of islam is submission to islam and sharia.Anyone who opposes this demonic-type religion faces the real possibility of losing their head and life. I will never submit to islam and sharia and I will fight them until my last breath. I also don't care if my opinion is not politically correct and gets me into trouble. I am 58 years old and I have always been an outspoken personality.I will not shut my mouth and I will always loudly voice my opinion.

true meaning of islam is submission to submission?

Islam itself means "to submit" and the submission is to Allah, your God and my God.

Would you share your opinions with me, i like loud opinions.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
It would be worthwhile to discuss each of your comments individually. I'd rather not do that right now. At the end of your post you wonder about the specific references for these claims. I will not transcribe the film. I will suggest, if you want the specific references,

WATCH THE VIDEO! THEY"RE THERE!

When you're ready, I'll be ready (or I'll be ready a short time later
). I am very much aware that the video has minimal references. As I said, I watched the first ten minutes (basically "Part 1"?), and the only relevant reference I got was an out of context verse from the Quran, quoted using the most extreme translation (where the video literally admitted that they have parenthetical additions to the text that aren't there in the original) that is even considered controversial among muslims. Whatever the case, I believe Akragon posted that verse in his question to me, and I responded to it.
So excuse me if I say that I don't believe the video provides references for most of what it says at all.

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Originally posted by charles1952
Surely it would not be difficult for the head Muslim (I don't know his title) to say:

"The killing must stop! The hatred must stop! We are in Britain. We can follow our religion, but we have to follow their laws. You haters are painting Allah as a monster, you must stop. We will not tolerate violence from our community, we will help the authorities stop you. It is the will of Allah.

As I've mentioned, there is no such thing as the head muslim. And people don't seem to realise this, but the majority of tip-offs about extremist muslims or potential terrorists come from muslims themselves. People seem to be under the impression that the muslim community is somehow hiding or protecting these people, when that is simply not true. Heck, the FBI's dirty tactics of attempting to set-up muslims by planting someone in the community to incite them to violence (and then catch them out) was discovered and caught out itself, because the muslims reported the plant to the authorities!


Originally posted by charles1952
"And to you non-Muslims, we are sorry for the pain we have caused. We must stop hating each other. We will stop. We beg you to stop.

If you agree, meet with us. We will gather here in six weeks. We will pray together, bring your religious leaders. We will share games and stories. We will greet you as friends and brothers, Children of God. We will learn from you, you will learn from us. We are all Britons. God Save The Queen!"

I'd pay money to hear that speech.

Aside from the implication that somehow muslims in general are responsible for the actions of a few, this again, wouldn't work because again, there is no "head muslim". Besides, such events already regularly occur throughout the UK (and throughout the US as well). Most mosques and "Islamic centres" have such situations occurring on a daily basis.

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Originally posted by andy06shake
I think I am very aware of my rights thank you!

Free speech would not apply, I would be jailed for breach of the peace, and any resistance would get me a police assault charge also!

I don't think you are aware of how totalitarian the British police are towards white people, trust me its a double standard!

I've never had the police bother me (certainly not due to whiteness), so I don't quite see the double standard. If you were part of a protest that was saying such things, they couldn't really do anything to you- again, if this weren't true, they'd have busted up the EDL ages ago.


Originally posted by charles1952
"Poor wee starving wanes/kids/children" This is a Scottish saying, do you have a problem with that? What's wrong with that statement?

I never stated having any problem with it. I just found it funny, is that a problem? Perhaps it brought to mind this clip:


Juvenile, I know, but I giggled when I saw it the first time...


Originally posted by andy06shake
Or are you suggesting Stacey Dooley has not done charity work with starving children?

So you are ok with said video(Stacey Dooley being verbally abused)? I thought you were suggesting the video was islamophobic. My bad, guess I must have been wrong.

I'm not sure her working with starving children has much relevance here. And yeah, I made no claim that the video was islamophobic. All I said was that watching that four minute clip and making judgements off that is a bit disingenuous, considering it has been edited out of an entire documentary. If you wanted to make statements about it, surely better to get the whole picture first!

Now some may compare my statement here with my reluctance to watch the video in the OP, but while the cleverly edited 4 minutes of the video that andy linked here were contrary to the over-all theme of the documentary that the clip was culled from, and tried to hide stuff for maximum shock effect, the 10 minutes of the documentary that I watched were not in any way contrary to the rest of it, and didn't contain any information disproved by the rest of it.
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by babloyi
 

It would be worthwhile to discuss each of your comments individually. I'd rather not do that right now. At the end of your post you wonder about the specific references for these claims. I will not transcribe the film. I will suggest, if you want the specific references,

WATCH THE VIDEO! THEY"RE THERE!

NO they are not, the "experts" just talk and thats it. Example, the dar al harb part, shoebat just says it with a sorry and surprised "i know" expression.
If you choose to believe it, its your choice. Others who are reasonable would need proofs.
You want muslims to refute whatever any loon will comes up with?

Are you here to discuss or just seek confirmation for your opinions and dismiss anything that goes against it even if its from authentic sources in favour of talks of an islamophobe just because it strengthens your opinions?



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 07:52 AM
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Part 1: ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet’ Our interviewees affirm their belief that Islamic violence is entirely orthodox behavior for Muslims and stems directly from the teachings and example of the Prophet Muhammad and the commands of the Koran. We learn that the example of Muhammad is one of a violent warlord who killed numerous people. The Koran – the verbatim words of Allah – prescribes violence against non-Muslims and Muhammad is the perfect example of the Koran in action.

Babloyi has answered you but let me also reply to leave no doubt that "muslims are avoiding it so it must be true"
prophet Muhammad was an example of conduct, a practical follower of Qur'an who explained by his behaviour and teaching how to be the best muslim. He was know among even his worst enemies as Al-amin and As-sadiq meaning Trustworthy and Truthful.
On his first call to Islam to people of Makkah, he gathered them and asked them, will they believe him if he told that there is an army behind the mountain waiting to attack, they all replied affirmatively but then he told them that he has been given a message to inform that there is only One God and all just dispersed.

He did not come as a prophet in a peaceful place. Pagan Arabs were warriors and clashes and feuds were common and he preached peaceful for over a decade and only left when it became impossible to survive in Makkah.
The pagan Makkans didn't leave the muslims alone when they left, Islam was growing and posed a threat to Makkah as it was a centre for pagan idols that brought a lot of profit and trade. That lead to many battles and a need to fight to survive.
Qur'an has verses about fighting which were revealed to guide the muslims about everything including war.

9:6If one
amongst the
Pagans ask
thee for
asylum,
grant it to him, so that
he may hear
the word of
Allah; and
then escort
him to where he
can be
secure. That
is because
they are men
without knowledge.


60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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You need to know that the demon-god of islam IS NOT
the same God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob!

I think this article is a very interesting one about the term"jihad"

www.infideltaskforce.com...
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 08:17 AM
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Part 2: The Struggle We learn that jihad, while literally meaning 'struggle', in fact denotes war fought against non-Muslims in order to bring the rule of Islamic law to the world. Violent death in jihad is, according to the Koran, the only assurance of salvation. One of our interviewees tells of his personal involvement in terrorism and his leaving Islam.

Jihad is a struggle, the greater jihad is the struggle to make oneself a better person. The lesser jihad is to fight for truth and justice with ones property and if required then physically with lives.
If i stand up against a bunch of bullies trying to beat up a defenseless guy i am doing jihad, if i join the army to defend my country from foreign invasion its also jihad.
Let me tell an example from life of prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Campaign to Tabuk The Campaign to Tabuk was the result
of conflict with the Roman Empire, that
had started even before the conquest
of Makkah. One of the missions sent
after the Treaty of Hudaibiyah to
different parts of Arabia visited the clans which lived in the northern areas
adjacent to Syria. The majority of these
people were Christians, who were
under the influence of the Roman
Empire. Contrary to all the principles of
the commonly accepted international law, they killed fifteen members of the
delegation near a place known as Zat-
u-Talah (or Zat-i-Itlah). Only Ka'ab bin
Umair Ghifari, the head of the
delegation, succeeded in escaping and
reporting the sad incident. Besides this, Shurahbll bin Amr, the Christian
governor of Busra, who was directly
under the Roman Caesar, had also put
to death Haritli bin Umair, the
ambassador of the Holy Prophet, who
had been sent to him on a similar minion. These events convinced the Holy
Prophet that a strong action should be
taken in order to make the territory
adjacent to the Roman Empire safe and
secure for the Muslims. Accordingly, in
the month of Jamadi-ul-Ula A. H. 8, he sent an army of three thousand
towards the Syrian border. When this
army reached near Ma'an, the Muslims
learned that Shurahbil was marching
with an army of one hundred
thousand to fight-with them and that the Caesar, who himself was at Hims,
had sent another army consisting of
one hundred thousand soldiers under
his brother Theodore. But in spite of
such fearful news, the brave small
band of the Muslims marched on fearlessly and encountered the big
army of Shurahbil at M'utah. And the
result of the encounter in which the
Muslims were fighting against fearful
odds (the ratio of the two armies was
1:33), as very favorable, for the enemy utterly failed to defeat them. This
proved very helpful for the
propagation of Islam. As a result,
those Arabs who were living in a state
of semi independence in Syria and
near Syria and the clans of Najd near Iraq, who were under the influence of
the Iranian Empire, turned towards
Islam and embraced it in thousands.
For example, the people of Bani Sulaim
(whose chief was Abbas bin Mirdas
Sulaimi), Ashja'a, Ghatafan, Zubyan, Fazarah, etc., came into the fold of
Islam at the same time. Above all,
Farvah bin 'Amral Juzami, who was the
commander of the Arab armies of the
Roman Empire, embraced Islam during
that time, and underwent the trial of his Faith in a way that filled the whole
territory with wonder. When the
Caesar came to know that Farvah had
embraced Islam, he ordered that he
should be arrested and brought to his
court. Then the Caesar said to him, "You will have to choose one of the
two things. Either give up your Islam
and win your liberty and your former
rank, or remain a Muslim and face
death." He calmly chose Islam and
sacrificed his life in the way of the Truth.


Caesar realize the nature of
the danger that was threatening his
Empire from Arabia. Accordingly, in 9
A.H. he began to make military
preparations to avenge the insult he had suffered at M'utah. The Ghassanid
and other Arab chiefs also began to
muster armies under him. When the
Holy Prophet, who always kept himself
well-informed even of the minutest
things that could affect the Islamic Movement favorably or adversely,
came to know of these preparations,
he at once under- stood their
meaning. Therefore, without the least
hesitation he decided to fight against
the great power of the Caesar. He knew that the show of the slightest
weakness would result in the utter
failure of the Movement which was
facing three great dangers at that time.
First the dying power of 'ignorance'
that had almost been crushed in the battle-field of Hunain might revive
again. Secondly, the Hypocrites of Al:
Madinah, who were always on the
look-out for such an opportunity,
might make full use of this to do the
greatest possible harm to it. For they had already made preparations for
this and had, through a monk called
Abu Amir, sent secret messages of
their evil designs to the Christian king
of Ghassan and the Caesar himself.
Besides this, they had also built a mosque near Al-Madinah for holding
secret meetings for this purpose. The
third danger was of an attack by the
Caesar himself, who had already
defeated Iran, the other great power
of that period, and filled with awe the adjacent territories.


In short, the Holy Prophet marched
out towards Syria in Rajab A. H. 9, with
thirty thousand fighters for the cause
of Islam. The conditions in which the
expedition was undertaken may be
judged from the fact that the number of camels with them was so small that
many of them were obliged to walk on
foot and to wait for their turns for
several had to ride at a time on each
camel. To add to this, there was the
burning heat of the desert and the acute shortage of water. But they were
richly rewarded for their firm resolve
and sincere adherence to the cause
and for their perseverance in the face
of those great difficulties and
obstacles. When they arrived at Tabuk, they
learned that the Caesar and his allies
had withdrawn their troops from the
frontier and there was no enemy to
fight with. Thus they won a moral
victory that increased their prestige manifold and, that too, without
shedding a drop of blood.

www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by logical7
 


You need to know that the demon-god of islam IS NOT
the same God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob!

really? There is just One God. I dont worship a demon/devil, i seek refuge from the devil before i pray.

3:84
Say: "We
believe in
Allah, and in
what has
been
revealed to us and what
was revealed
to Abraham,
Isma'il, Isaac,
Jacob, and
the Tribes, and in (the
Books) given
to Moses,
Jesus, and
the prophets,
from their Lord: We
make no
distinction
between one
and another
among them, and to Allah
do we bow
our will (in
Islam)."



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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Part 3: Expansion Following the death of Muhammad, his 'rightly-guided' successors carried his wars to three continents, fighting, enslaving, and massacring countless Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and others. Islam did not spread through evangelism or through its natural appeal, but through aggressive wars of conquest. The Crusades were largely a belated response on the part of Christian Europe to rescue Christians in the Holy Land suffering under Muslim oppression. The Muslim world today, while no longer the unified empire of the Caliphs, is exceptional for being responsible for the vast majority of conflicts around the world and for almost all of international terrorism.

Jews, Christians and others found it much preferable to live under the Islamic Empire than under a christian king. Christians were extremely anti-semitic. Hope i don't have to give you historical references as to how europe treated jews.

Crusaders also massacred jews in the holy land and orthodox christians too. Jews were not even allowed into the holy land until it was under muslims.


Jews of newly conquered territories, such as
Jews of Hims, preferred Arabs to the
Byzantines because of the sense of
justice and religious tolerance in Islam.
They claimed: "We prefer your rule
and your justice to the oppression and injustice under which we were
formerly. And we shall surely repel
Heraclius' army from the city, with the
help of your governor."

www.studymode.com/essays/Jews-World-Islam-124411.html

if a man with a bomb jacket/rocket launcher is a terrorist than someone with an airforce and drones is a bigger TERRORIST! The worst terrorists have spend their time in The White House and Pentagon, they wear suits and kill innocents with not a crease on their face maybe even a smile!

You cannot judge a reaction as an action and then judge the faith of people by that reaction.
If you goad a sleeping lion with a spear and it snaps at you n peels a good chunk of flesh by its paw, the lion is doing jihad against you!
STAY AWAY! And if you approach then do so with humility and you'l find muslims as the best of Hosts!
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by mideast


I must admit that this thread is like many Persian cheap forums that are filled with people who don't know what they know , what they don't know.That is a major problem. The people who want to get everyone else into illusion without bothering to look for the biter truth.

But something here is unique.

The war-mongers who support Zionism and war at any cost.

I haven't seen that level of bigotry anywhere else.

It is a virgin bigotry I most introduce my friends to.

To all war-mongers



I have learned to use many weapons for war and I will fight every single war-monger greedy people who decide to enter my country.

Peace to peaceful people.

I'm out.

I won't reply.



LOL

Keep on spreading your propaganda of Islam, the "religion of peace" while organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood are intent to spreading Sharia and Islam via any means necessary. Yes, please stay in your own country, defend it at all costs - if I had my way we would never enter Islamic countries at all.

The typical we do not understand, we are misinterpreting, only a minority excuses are all being used in this thread, by the typical MDL crowd.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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Part 4: ‘War is Deceit’ A great problem with Western efforts to understand Islam is due to the Islamic principle of 'religious deception', which enjoins Muslims to deceive non-Muslims in order to advance the cause of Islam. Muslim groups today in the West employ deception and omission to give the impression that 'Islam is a religion of peace', an utter fiction.

whats fact and whats fiction is easy to distinguish as the Qur'an and Hadith are freely available to anyone who is serious enough to want to know. For others who want to ignore or who have already made opinions, they'l not see the truth if it dances naked infront of them!
Islam does not need deception to spread or impress people.
Cannot say the same about action of some christians, try searching "fake ex muslims" on youtube and you'l know what i mean,
i'l post one here


i highly recommend it! He can't even pronounce basic arabic things that a 3yr old muslim kid would know and claims to be a "devout moslem"!!



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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No I am not a muslim, but I have seen first-hand what our policies of aggression have done to the Middle East. I have seen enough with my own eyes to know that democracy is not the message we bring to these people. The message we bring is one of hatred and ignorance. Like I said though..nobody who has seen what bullets and bombs do to human bodies would ever advocate for war, as war fixes nothing. War is a state of almost pure sin in which life becomes worthless. So yeah...We need to get the hell out of the Middle East and establish a dialogue just about five minutes ago or we risk bringing about our own fate. The longer we keep OPs and bases in the Middle-East, the longer Israel bombs Gaza with American made bombs, the more they are going to hate us and there is only one solution to that. Leave.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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this is my theory:

islam was created by the vatican, to act like their defacto army in hostile territories. with it, they were able to attack the jews without having to raise a finger in violence, themselves. they also used them to attack the protestants, without it looking like they were behind it. they made agreements with them to slaughter whole villages full of catholics, in exchange for some massive favor the vatican wanted. the leaders at the top shared the winnings from the crusades, between the vat and the leaders of islam. the people in both religions, have no idea this is going on. the muslims are being manipulated by the jesuits, via the CIA operatives under cover in their countries. the jesuits run the CIA.

and now that the catholic church membership is declining and is losing the support of the people, the vatican has made the final agreement, to support the muslims in their annihilation of all christians in muslims nations, with the agreement that they will have joint leadership of the planet as a result, you will occasionally hear a news report where the usa is helping muslim rebels overthrow their government and see footage of christian arabs being kiilled as a side note
(it's part of the deal). the vatican and the jesuits are supporting a specific sect of islam, agreed upon in advance between muslim leadership of that sect. hate to say it folks, but it looks like they are backing wahabbism.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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Part 5: More than a Religion The most important characteristic of Islam not understood by the West is that it is more a system of government than a personal religion. Throughout its history, Islam has never recognized a distinction between the religious and the secular/political. Islamic law governs every aspect of religious, political, and personal action, which amounts to a form of totalitarianism that is divinely enjoined to dominate the world, analogous in many ways to Communism.

secularism is a reactionary ideology that was accepted by the christian world fed up with the oppression of The Church. Muslims under Islam don't feel any hatred towards Islam, it actually promoted learning and scienctific investigation.
The laws are no more different than Judaic laws, i hope you know that jews have similar laws and actually have separate courts.
Christians had that too before secular governments came.

Its just a law like law of any country and if majority agree with it then its just democratic right?



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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Christians had that too before secular governments came.


you mean like the inquistion? or the courts of the european royals who supposedly weren't beholden to the vatican?



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