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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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How many items about fluoride you want ?

As many UNbiased ones as you can find.





Fluoride is a toxic industrial waste product that is a poison to your body and in no way a "nutrient," offering no benefits at all to the human body. The fluoride added to water supplies can be contaminated with lead, arsenic, radionucleotides, aluminum and other industrial contaminants. Additionally, the fluoride added to municipal water supplies is not pharmaceutical grade.

Water can be contaminated with all of the above (before treatment) as well. ALL fluoride added to municipal water is not pharmaceutical grade (meaning Sodium Fluoride)? How do we know ALL aren't? Or are you talking the majority? From a cost standpoint I get it.

....I was going to keep going (cause God knows there is more to the "fluoride is bad for you" story, but then I realized that the site you are quoting has this at the bottom:

Remember, these lobbyists are well funded, and we're going to see a campaign similar to Prop 37 in California. The citizens need your help to keep Portland free of this contaminant. So, regardless of where you live, please help by donating to their campaign to ensure Portland's pure water source remains that way.

Donate Donate Donate. Of course they are going to scare you, they want your money.


Again, as I stated before.

You eat salt. What would happen if you eat a pound of it? Does this analogy make sense?

If people are up in arms because they don't have a choice in the matter of the municipalities adding chemicals that are not pertinent to the treatment process then I understand. That is what elections are for.

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You might want to read more of sankaris posts before you say anyone else puts them down .

Irrelevant to this thread.
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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I did a web search and this is the only proof I found on fluoride deaths.



Fluoride tablets kill Jason Burton (2)...

... yet "authorities" claim no person in Australia ever died of fluoride poisoning.


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FROM: "National Fluoridation News" XXII (Jan-March 1976) p. 2:

Child poisoned by fluoride

My husband and I have agreed on writing this letter in the hope that it may prevent someone going through the experience we suffered in May 1973.

In July 1970 we were told by our doctor that we were going to have a baby. In my first visit to the Hospital for a check-up in October, I was told by the Matron to start taking fluoride tablets for the benefit of the baby. I did so until the 20th of February 1971 when our first child, Jason, was born.

When he was one year oild the welfare clinic told me to start giving him 1/2 of a fluoride tablet per day. I did so for 15 months. When he was 27 months old he got hold of the fluoride tablets, and at the time I didn´t know how many he had eaten, but I knew it wasn´t many.

I took him to the doctor straight away and he gave our son a stomach pump treatment. The doctor told me he could only find four tablets in his stomach. I was told to take him home and he would sleep for a while, but he would be okay when he woke up. This was at 2:00 P.M.

At 5:30 P.M. I realized that something was wrong, as I couldn´t wake him. I rang the doctor and was advised to take him back to the surgery. The doctor saw him staright away and told me to take him to the maternity hospital. As we arrived he was still unconscious and he stopped breathing. The doctor put him in a respirator immediately.

The doctor and the nurses didn´t believe that he could be so ill from taking fluoride tablets until they did some test on him. They told us it would take 200 to 500 tablets to make him so sick. There were less than 100 tablets in the bottle before he touched it.

On May 15th, five days after admission, Jason passed away. The doctor verified that his brain, due to fluoride poisoning, was completely dead.

We have now two children. They have never or will never receive fluoride tablets from us.

We are completely against fluoridation of drinking water and we hope that this letter will help stop such a thing from happening.

Mr. and Mrs. A. Burton

Kirkdale, Brisbane

Queensland, Australia



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FROM: Dukes M.N.G.: "Side Effects of Drugs, Annual 4", Excerpta Medica, Oxford 1980, p. 354

Fluoride (SEDA-3, 399)

At least three fatalities have occurred due to the fact that the toxicity of fluoride is often underestimated. One case report may be cited.

A boy aged 27 months swallowed an unknown quantity of fluoride tablets containing 0.5 mg each. As the bottle contained less than 100 tablets, the unconscious child was sent home after a gastric lavage yielding 4 (!) tablets only, with the assurance to the parents that no risk existed. Three and a half hours later respiratory failure began to develop and the child was hospitalized; he died five days later. Even at the hospital the parents were told that 200 to 500 tablets would be required to endanger the child.

5 - 10 g of fluoride are commonly considered to comprise the acute lethal dose; the child in question had received less than 50 mg, which suggests an enormous difference between the supposed and actual lethal dose, even allowing for the age of the victim. It is true that the mother had received fluoride during pregnancy and that the child had received 0.5 mg daily for 15 months before the incident occurred but one must wonder whether the chronic load could have been sufficient to lower the acute lethal dose so drastically. This overdosage risk must be added to known risks attributable to fluoride in normal doses (i. e. gastrointestinal bleeding and atopic dermatitis) (33 c)




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FROM: John Yiamouyiannis: "Fluoride the aging factor", Health Action Press, 1983, p. 85: (The statement was originally published in the "Melbourne Truth", Australia, Nov. 3, 1979)

A spokesman for the Queensland Justice Department confirmed that Jason´s death was caused by fluoride poisoning. He said the death certificate was authentic. It records the cause of death as fluoride poisoning.

"Mrs. Burton (Jason´s mother) recalled the day her nightmare began: ´I was getting some carpet laid while Jason was having his afternoon sleep. After about five minutes - definitely not more than seven - I got the feeling something was the matter. Jason was sitting on the floor with a bottle of fluoride tablets. I rang the doctor and said Jason had taken some of the tablets, not many ... about half a dozen.´

Mrs. Burton said the doctor told her to take Jason down to him and had then given the child a stomach pump. ´I asked the doctor if he had found any fluoride tablets and he replied that he had found four.´ ..."



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DENIAL:



Letter from Dental Surgeon Sydenham Dobbin, B.D.S., F.I.C.D., Yass Australia, to Prof. Schuebel, of Duesseldorf, Germany, in response to a request from Prof. Schuebel relative to the claim by Yiamouyiannis, cited above and mentioned by me in a TV discussion:



22nd November, 1985

Dear Professor Schubel,

The document you sent me for verification is false. I have spoken with the Department of Justice in Queensland, and they stated that they never made such a statement.

The Poisons Advisory Department in the Royal Children´s Hospital in Sydney, keeps a record of all people poisoned in Australia.

The Director told me when I read her the statement, that no child (or adult), had died of fluoride poisoning in Australia.

Furthermore, she said that a number of children had swallowed up to 200 fluoride tablets, and it had not affected their health at all.

I also contacted the Cancer Council of New South Wales. This Council keeps a record of all deaths from cancer in New South Wales, both from a statistical basis, and a geographical basis. The director said that despite the fact that 85% of the population of New South Wales was drinking fluoridated water, there was no increase in the incidence of cancer. Some towns have had fluoridation of the water supply for 30 years (Yass).

I am enclosing some literature which you will find interesting. It will enable you to refute the false hysterical claims of the anti fluoridationists.

Yours faithfully

(signed)

S. DOBBIN, B.D.S., F.I.C.D.
www.fluoride-history.de...



Personally I would be more worried about corrosion from older pipes in some places but everyone sets their own standards. As for myself I require a level of proof that seems to be higher than the norm in comparison to others here before I am willing to say something is detrimental to my health and sound the alarm. But hey that’s just me.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:05 PM
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Donate dontate donate ?
Oh,you mean the people who put the stuff in our water and food don't get donations ?
Unbiased ?
The people who put that stuff in our food and water put out the TRUTH ? Their websites aren't biased ? Really .

Try again .

You asked for proof . I can post more links proving the USA uses Chinese industrial fluoride from individual states,which the last link I posted shows quite clearly .
Tell me they're lying state to state ?

www.wcvb.com...

Team 5 Investigates found the Amesbury Water Department pulled fluoride from its system amid concerns about its supply from China.

Department of Public Works Director Rob Desmarais said after he mixes the white powder with water, 40 percent of it will not dissolve.

"I don't know what it is," Desmarais said. "It's not soluble, and it doesn't appear to be sodium fluoride. So we are not quite sure what it is."

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www.carrollconews.com...

Do you want Chinese fluoride in your local drinking water?

Monday, May 14, 2012 Carroll County News

If you don't like being mandated to take Obama Care how do you feel about being mandated to take Fluoride Care? The Arkansas Legislature, without any public notice, without asking voters for their input, very, very, quietly passed a law that would mandate that 34 water districts put fluoride in their drinking water.

Do you know where this fluoride orginates? China. China makes it so cheaply that no one else can compete. Do you know why it is so cheap. The EPA website lists fluoride as a by product of the Phosphate Fertilizer industry in China and the Aluminum Industry in China. They also list all of the minerals that are in fluoride. Instead of thinking 'fluoride' in my drinking water, try thinking 'mercury, aluminum and lead' in my drinking water. ...



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Mercola,for one,donated over ONE MILLION DOLLARS ,the largest one donation ,to push thru the gmo labeling bill in just California .
He easily proves where he puts his money .
So he doesn't try to scare us .He does what he says hes going to do .


You ask for proof,and I showed it ,and you claim ..."ooowww,you're afraid .....they want your money ".
Which is the only response any of these people shoving the stuff down our throats,and LYING to us about it ,can do ,because you didn't think there was any proof out there to find .
Tut tut.

And I'm not afraid . I'm sick to death of a lying government .
Anything that says CDC,gov ,USDA EPA ,USDA ,in the url ,LIES ,BLANTANTLY ,to the public .
So posting those ,is just a waste of time .

Here is a YouTube link . I would try to embed it ,but I never seem to get it correct .

www.youtube.com...

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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Greetings, it's lucky that you're here sharing truth then, isn't it?

Or, I should say, your version of truth.

It's fortunate that not everyone is so willing to believe everything they read just because it confirms their beliefs.

If you're unsure of what I am speaking of, I'm speaking of quotes like this:



Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere


Classic disinformation

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by AlphaHawk
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Greetings, it's lucky that you're here sharing truth then, isn't it?

Or, I should say, your version of truth.

It's fortunate that not everyone is so willing to believe everything they read just because it confirms their beliefs.

If you're unsure of what I am speaking of, I'm speaking of quotes like this:



Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere


Classic disinformation

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Over 2/3rds of the country was flurodated by the 1950s ,just because a few states held out til the 60s,and then three last states til 2006 ,doesn't make it a false statement . They just had to force those last few states into doing it,now didn't they .
Do what Sankari does. Go to Wikipedia . It's listed year to year .



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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This is just my take on that.

It becomes practically impossible for me to believe subsequent claims when





Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere


And




Over 2/3rds of the country was flurodated by the 1950s


are being presented as even remotely equal in accuracy.

Sorry but there is only so much BS I can filter through in a day and this is the limit for me.

I will check this thread tomorrow.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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times-news.com...


February 28, 2010 — The Pure Water Committee of Western Maryland Inc. was formed in 1960 as a grass roots network of citizens with a 50-year-old mission to educate the public of the complete fraud of the practice called water fluoridation.

Recently, it has come to my attention in an engineering report for the city of Boulder, Colo., that they did an evaluation of fluoridation chemicals and sources and found that much of the fluoride chemicals used for water fluoridation are now coming out of China with arsenic and lead levels of 50 and 40 milligrams respectively per bag and non-existent regulatory monitoring of the salt or acid compounds from these imports.

This type of trade from a country with a track record of lead paint on toys to antifreeze in cough syrup medicine is completely unacceptable.

After visiting the Frostburg Water Filtration Plant on Feb. 23, it has come to my attention that Frostburg has sodium fluoride bags with no source or import information on them.

Only after I asked for the certificate of analysis from Solvay fluorides through Univar USA, which is the chemical supplier for the Frostburg Water Plant, did I receive the certificate of analysis from Shanghai Mintchem Development Co., LTD., the Chinese manufacture of the sodium fluoride.

The material safety data sheets from Solvay fluorides shows that a teaspoon amount of 5 grams of sodium fluoride can be fatal to an average size man of 70kg.

In toxicological information section, chronic toxicity by oral route may cause skeletal and dental fluorosis, thyroid, testes, kidney, liver, ambiguous carcinogenic and mutagenic effects, fetotoxic and fertility effects.

I have asked now for two years for the Frostburg Mayor and Council to put in the water bill for area residence the ADA warning to not to use fluoridated water when making infant formula, but to no avail.

I have showed them the 2003 sixth edition PDR special warning section for Luride (sodium fluoride in pill form) that children under the age of six should not be taking the same equivalent dose that municipalities add to the drinking water.

I asked them why they would continue this practice when the PDR states that not even a dentist or doctor should be administering this equivalent dose to a child under the age of 6.

I have explained to them that the warning label on fluoride toothpaste states, that if you swallow more than a pea size amount of paste or .25 milligrams of fluoride, which is the equivalent dose of 8 ounces of fluoridated water, you should contact the poison control center immediately.

We can no longer trust our local governments to do the right thing for its citizens. I find it so ironic that the same federal government that is demanding small communities under the clean water act, like Mount Savage to join to the Frostburg Regional water supply, because of an overt concern over possible ground water contamination, then allows this toxic waste byproduct from China to enter this country and be added to this same regional water supply.

Are we insane?

Instead of the city of Frostburg being honest with me over this imported chemical use and stopping this harmful practice, they seem more concerned over my visit to the water plant to obtain this information.

This is a serious homeland security matter for Frostburg and many other fluoridated communities, including Cumberland. Please contact both Frostburg and Cumberland elected officials and ask for this practice to be halted immediately.
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
This is just my take on that.

It becomes practically impossible for me to believe subsequent claims when





Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere


And




Over 2/3rds of the country was flurodated by the 1950s


are being presented as even remotely equal in accuracy.

Sorry but there is only so much BS I can filter through in a day and this is the limit for me.

I will check this thread tomorrow.



Uh ,its the dates that matter in this instance,for sure .

Some person looking at it ,from Australia ,on wiki,knows more than an american citizen who grew up on fluoridated water ,as did most of their friends who grew up here,who are now in their 50s and 60s .
Ask people ,over 50 ,who grew up in the usa ,was your water fluoridated when you were a kid.

And the issue at hand is not when,but now it IS everyone getting it,and its toxic ,and we were being lied to about it.

But yeah yeah ,everything I'm saying is wrong because the wiki says the dates are this this and this .
Go with that .



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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Interesting point my friend, people consuming fluoride in their water supply for 50 years you say?

If they're not careful they'll die of old age before the fluoride kills them!


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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:42 PM
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Some person looking at it ,from Australia ,on wiki,knows more than an american citizen who grew up on fluoridated water


I wasn’t planning on looking at this thread till tomorrow but I am waiting for something to finish downloading.

Anyway are you saying you are from Australia or do you think that I am from Australia?

Details are important and the ability to pick up on them are as well it makes a difference when presenting information or asking people to believe what you are trying to sell (convince) them.

Basically it adds or subtracts from their credibility after all if they get fairly obvious things wrong on a regular basis what does that say about the things they are asking you to believe.

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:52 PM
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And the issue at hand is not when,but now it IS everyone getting it,and its toxic ,and we were being lied to about it.
Not true. I'm not. I'm not alone. Portland isn't. Seems you're incorrect.
www.nytimes.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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I actually read that article .

You're in one of those last three states,as per wiki ,to add it to the water .
So gosh,does this mean the wiki ..the wiki IS WRONG !?!?!?
The wiki says every state,as of 2006 ,is adding it to the water ...


Oh noes ....how can the wiki be wrong ...

*coughs*



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by PtolemyII
Some person looking at it ,from Australia ,on wiki,knows more than an american citizen who grew up on fluoridated water ,


I never said anything like this. The Wikipedia article is referenced, whereas your statements are completely unsubstantiated. That's the key difference here. Additionally, I have grown up with fluoride all my life so I'm in an excellent position to comment on it.


as did most of their friends who grew up here,who are now in their 50s and 60s .


Wow, 50s and 60s you say? Why haven't they died from the fluoride?



And the issue at hand is not when,but now it IS everyone getting it,and its toxic ,and we were being lied to about it.


Proof please.


But yeah yeah ,everything I'm saying is wrong because the wiki says the dates are this this and this .Go with that .


There are many, many reasons why what you're sayig is wrong. Wikipedia offers just one example.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Some person looking at it ,from Australia ,on wiki,knows more than an american citizen who grew up on fluoridated water


I wasn’t planning on looking at this thread till tomorrow but I am waiting for something to finish downloading.

Anyway are you saying you are from Australia or do you think that I am from Australia?

Details are important and the ability to pick up on them are as well it makes a difference when presenting information or asking people to believe what you are trying to sell (convince) them.

Basically it adds or subtracts from their credibility after all if they get fairly obvious things wrong on a regular basis what does that say about the things they are asking you to believe.

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The original comment about the dates,was from an Australian,who claims to know more about US politics ,than most Americans ,and uses the word bullocks quite a lot .
Which my australian friends say is very odd .This australian font of american information , said I am incorrect about the dates,despite my being a native new yorker ,and growing up on fluoridated water.

So knowing what year I was born ,and my mom told me our water was fluoridated,I said what I know as fact ,from my own childhood.
Did my mom lie to me when I was five because I was already a disinformation politico ?
Hmmmm,I wonder .


I was then told ,flouride in ground water,is exactly the same as fluoride added to our water .
So I showed where it was not the same,only to be told my cited articles ,are biased .

I then showed unbiased articles,which I'm sure be somehow at fault.
.
And someone else just proved the wiki is incorrect .

Ergo ,if I and most of my older friends,grew up IN THE USA ,and grew up In differnt states ,and range in ages 30-60+ ,and all grew up with fluoridated water,I'm going with absolute fact from numerous credible sources,as opposed to the misinformation that is on line.

Where you come from ,really doesn't matter.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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You're in one of those last three states,as per wiki ,to add it to the water .

Portland isn't a state.
There are a number of localities that do not fluoridate the water supply. Most because the natural levels are sufficient. In some, natural levels are too high and fluoride must be removed.

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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Not as many have died, in this age range ,because like with gmos ,it wasn't as wide spread,and toxic,when we were growing up.
It really was the same as ground fluoride in the 1960s .Then again ,dozens of my friends have died from cancer.
Who knows why . It's not like the people fluoridating our water will tell us,oh yeah,you're all dying from it now .

And you quote wiki verbatim .
I can post you sentences ,next to the wiki sentence.
Not even I knew there were three states that held out until 2006,if that's even true,until I read the wiki .
How would you know it ?


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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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You're in one of those last three states,as per wiki ,to add it to the water .

Portland isn't a state.


Oh,so ,which cities in Oregon are fluoridating,if not the biggest one in the state ?
Just small little towns.
Do they all have individual water supplies ?
I mean wiki says ALL OF OREGON is fluoridating.
Can the wiki be wrong . I mean come on . Is just that wrong ,but all those dates are correct ?

Tell us ...isnt wiki the golden rule for everything said on this thread ?
How can one part of it be wrong ,but one part right ?

Oh wiki ,*sobs* , how far hath Ye fallen !?!?!



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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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It is pretty simple under the avatars there is a word there that says location.

Attention to detail (I am guilty of, damn spell check) or obvious stuff. Either way.

Edit to add

Anyway I thought I would ask if you thought I was from Australia because I did post an article from Australia and I thought you might have assumed I was from there without even looking at my location but you didn’t really answer that question.

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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Do they all have individual water supplies ?
Yes.


I mean wiki says ALL OF OREGON is fluoridating.

Can you point me to the wiki article which says that?

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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Do they all have individual water supplies ?
Yes.


I mean wiki says ALL OF OREGON is fluoridating.

Can you point me to the wiki article which says that?

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Oh why,did you go look ?
What a shock !
This map says every state in the union is up to 50% fluoridated

en.wikipedia.org...

42 out of the 50 largest states .
As of 2006,only three states were still less than 25% fluoridated .
One of which was Oregon .

The fact all any of you can say is,YOU KEEP GETTING THE NUMBER WRONG ,to distract from the fact the fluoride itself ,is toxic ,which I showed ,is nothing like ground water fluoride ,is quite amusing .
Wasn't that the original question ?

I don't memorize the numbers , but I do know the facts about fluoride as another government forced poison .
This thread is a learning experience as to who is whom on this forum though .
Thanks



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