Fluoride in drinking water.

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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Was a thread on abovetopsecret about Harvard discovering Fluoride lowers the IQ of kids.
Cba looking for more, going to bed! its late in Europe.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
Natural water is downright nasty.

Whenever I'm out camping I always have to boil it first.

Bring on the fluoride I say.


You need to find a better camping spot also check out what is upstream from where you are camping. Where I camp the water is pure has no iron in it and is always between 40 and 45 degrees. It tastes better than any water on the market.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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You do know that there's a difference between sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride right? Calcium fluoride occurs naturally in nature. Sodium fluoride doesn't. Sodium fluoride is a by product of the aluminum industry. It has been used as a rat poison, and it's one of the worlds most deadliest toxins.

Here's an article about Sodium Fluoride, and how it affects one of our most important neurotransmitters.

You cannot say sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride are the same. They are vastly different.

Here's an excerpt from the article:




Sodium Fluoride: the Obedience Drug by Stephan Cooter, Ph.D. Calcium fluoride and fluorine are nature’s mineral salts as found in some natural waters, in tea, and other foods. But sodium fluoride comes from aluminum ore, and it is a byproduct of the modern aluminum industry. Unfortunately, sodium fluoride inter- feres with one of our most important neurotransmitters, acetylcho- line. (See "Fluoride: Governmentally Approved Poison," http:// www.arthritistrust.org. Ed.)




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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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You should still be safe and boil it, getting sick while out camping is not fun. You don't know what animal did what upstream of where you are drinking. Or what parasites are lurking.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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When Sodium Fluoride in water goes in the stomach, it falls apart and adds sodium to the system. The fluoride then displaces the chloride on the stomach acid creating Hydrogen Fluoride which damages the upper valve of the stomach leading to acid reflux in the esophagus. Drinking way too much coffee can do the same thing though especially if the coffee is made with fluoridated water. Calcium fluoride in natural water doesn't have that problem, the fluoride is bound tighter to the calcium.

I guess that hydrofluoric acid added to water has the same problem.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sankari

Originally posted by Hopechest
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Has anyone ever died from a fluoride overdose from drinking water?


No. Never. Not even once. The dosage is too low to cause harm, but high enough to do good.
edit on 6/6/13 by Sankari because: added quote...


I had orignially said that your answer was incorrect, but in the strictest sense of the words used, you are so far correct. So I then point you to this little gem, and from there you should be able to do your own research to learn more facts.

"In 1997, it was shown that fluoridation caused about 10,000 cancer deaths in epidemiological studies by Dr. Dean Burk, former head of the Cytochemistry Section at the National Cancer Institute and Yiamouyiannis. "

You will find this research has been going on since the 1930's and many conclusive results have been obtained, only to be buried over time so that it is harder to find.
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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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Hydrofluoric acid is poison in very low concentrations. How does this not kill people then?



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
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Has anyone ever died from a fluoride overdose from drinking water?

You may be right in why they add it but I say who cares.

Its not gonna kill you.



If you and others spent a little time educating yourself instead of spouting off ad nauseam ..

you might be taken seriously .




www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



Abstract OBJECTIVE: The feasibility of a fluoride positron emission tomography/computed tomography (PET/CT) scan for imaging atherosclerosis has not been well documented. The purpose of this study was to assess fluoride uptake of vascular calcification in various major arteries, including coronary arteries.

METHODS: We retrospectively reviewed the imaging data and cardiovascular history of 61 patients who received whole-body sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT studies at our institution from 2009 to 2010. Fluoride uptake and calcification in major arteries, including coronary arteries, were analyzed by both visual assessment and standardized uptake value measurement.

RESULTS: Fluoride uptake in vascular walls was demonstrated in 361 sites of 54 (96%) patients, whereas calcification was observed in 317 sites of 49 (88%) patients. Significant correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification was observed in most of the arterial walls, except in those of the abdominal aorta. Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries was demonstrated in 28 (46%) patients and coronary calcifications were observed in 34 (56%) patients. There was significant correlation between history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.

CONCLUSION: sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk.


Now you tell me how many people have died from fluoride ?


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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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Hydrofluoric acid is poison in very low concentrations. How does this not kill people then?


We seem to regenerate well most times but in doing so we do lose out eventually. Sooner or later the Hydrofluoric acid will do harm but there will be no evidence that it was what killed the person since it was longterm low level poisoning.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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While I don't think Fluoride is necessary to add to the treatment process, are you suggesting that a radiopharmaceutical used as an injection to allow visualization of malignant bone lesions is the same as water fluoridation? It isn't nice to talk down to people especially when you don't fully understand what you were talking about.

Originally, sodium fluoride was used to fluoridate water; hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and its salt sodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) are more commonly used additives, especially in the United States.

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Compounds containing fluorine-18, a radioactive isotope that emits positrons, are often used in positron emission tomography (PET) scanning, because the isotope's half-life of about 110 minutes is long by positron-emitter standards. One such radiopharmaceutical is 2-deoxy-2-(18F)fluoro-D-glucose (generically referred to as fludeoxyglucose), commonly abbreviated as 18F-FDG, or simply FDG. In PET imaging, FDG can be used for assessing glucose metabolism in the brain and for imaging cancer tumors. After injection into the blood, FDG is taken up by "FDG-avid" tissues with a high need for glucose, such as the brain and most types of malignant tumors. Tomography, often assisted by a computer to form a PET/CT (CT stands for "computer tomography") machine, can then be used to diagnose or monitor treatment of cancers; especially Hodgkin's lymphoma, lung cancer, and breast cancer.

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Makes sense, got any links for me to look at? Thanks for the knowledge!



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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I'm suggesting this




In a new study published in the journal Nuclear Medicine Communicationsi, researchers found that fluoride may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk as it causes hardening of your arteries. Reviewing the imaging data and cardiovascular history of patients who received whole-body sodium fluoride PET scans, the researchers found a significant correlation between a history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. While there are certainly many factors contributing to the rise in heart disease—poor diet likely being the most important—it certainly doesn't help to add a chemical to water supplies that will be consumed by everyone in the area regardless of health status, from toddlers to seniors, that might contribute to the problem.


Are you questioning their study ?

Or are you unhappy with the profound implications it hints at ?

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by R0CR13
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I'm suggesting this




In a new study published in the journal Nuclear Medicine Communicationsi, researchers found that fluoride may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk as it causes hardening of your arteries. Reviewing the imaging data and cardiovascular history of patients who received whole-body sodium fluoride PET scans, the researchers found a significant correlation between a history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. While there are certainly many factors contributing to the rise in heart disease—poor diet likely being the most important—it certainly doesn't help to add a chemical to water supplies that will be consumed by everyone in the area regardless of health status, from toddlers to seniors, that might contribute to the problem.


Are you questioning their study ?

Or are you unhappy with the profound implications it hints at ?

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edit on 6-6-2013 by R0CR13 because: (no reason given)


Not at all, just questioning your "spin" on it.
I don't care what people want to do with their treatment, I'm glad mine doesn't add fluoride.
Emphasis is mine to show your "hard science" article.




Reviewing the imaging data and cardiovascular history of patients who received whole-body sodium fluoride PET scans, the researchers found a significant correlation between a history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. While there are certainly many factors contributing to the rise in heart disease—poor diet likely being the most important—it certainly doesn't help to add a chemical to water supplies that will be consumed by everyone in the area regardless of health status, from toddlers to seniors, that might contribute to the problem.

"Might" does not, and has never equaled "does".
Cardiovascular events linked to whole-body sodium fluoride PET scans.

From your links.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:02 PM
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This is more than enough

But please enjoy your tap water if that makes you happy .




"Fluoride uptake in vascular walls was demonstrated in 361 sites of 54 (96%) patients, whereas calcification was observed in 317 sites of 49 (88%) patients.

Significant correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification was observed in most of the arterial walls

, except in those of the abdominal aorta. Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries was demonstrated in 28 (46%) patients and coronary calcifications were observed in 34 (56%) patients."



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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Still from your original link.

Association of vascular fluoride uptake with vascular calcification and coronary artery disease.


Nothing, whatsoever, to do with water fluoridation. Stay away from fluoride needles if you are worried.

Enjoy your ignorance on this topic.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Here are a few (alleged) reasons to get you daily dose of flouride



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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Needle or water?

Source?



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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www.atsdr.cdc.gov...



Generally, most of the fluoride in food or water that you swallow enters your bloodstream



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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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I thought you were talking about normal levels found everywhere, not extreme cases.


Did you know that table salt will kill you as well, if you eat enough?

Regular water (with no Fluoride) will kill you if you drink too much.

I love doom porn as much as the rest, but, it just isn't here.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 03:01 AM
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It's not doom porn
Hey we're questioning the supposed benefits over the supposed negative effects

When science has shown that the benefit of fluoride is a decrease in decay of about a 0.6 of a tooth surface ( grinding teeth having 5 surfaces, cutting teeth having 4 surfaces )
So through being force medicated there is an improvement of, at most an 8th of a tooth, spread over your whole mouth ..........so that's the benefit .........plenty of negatives tho

Would we all agree that Mother Nature through its millennia of evolution has got things so wrong that we are forced to give our children fluoride at 25,000 % more than is in mothers milk ?

Applying fluoride by toothpaste .......yes
Application through ingestion .......no.........do you drink sun screen ?

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