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U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls
...The order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in April, directs a Verizon Communications subsidiary, Verizon Business Network Services, to turn over “on an ongoing daily basis” to the National Security Agency all call logs “between the United States and abroad” or “wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”
The order does not apply to the content of the communications.
Verizon Business Network Services is one of the nation’s largest telecommunications and Internet providers for corporations. It is not clear whether similar orders have gone to other parts of Verizon, like its residential or cellphone services, or to other telecommunications carriers. The order prohibits its recipient from discussing its existence, and representatives of both Verizon and AT&T declined to comment Wednesday evening...
Originally posted by Cypress
reply to post by Zcustosmorum
unfortunately, its not that simple. From the article the government got a court order. Verizon had to comply and it could have been any company in the US that was targeted. Looks like they were using the "we're looking for terrorists" angle to go after leaks.
I thought this was common knowledge that has been going on since at least 2006 and even earlier, but I guess not?
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Report: Verizon providing all call records to U.S. under court order
So it's nothing new, is it? Just a "routine renewal" as the article says.
An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.
The expert referred to such orders as “rubber stamps” sought by the telephone companies to protect themselves after the disclosure in 2005 that widespread warrantless wiretaps could leave them liable for damages.
The order falls under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which authorizes the government to make broad demands on telephone carriers for information about calls.
So the solution to this problem of illegal spying?
Startling statements from former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio’s defense documents alleging the National Security Agency began building a massive call records database seven months before 9/11 aren’t the only accusations that the controversial program predated the attacks of 9/11.
According to court documents unveiled this week, former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio clearly wanted to argue in court that the NSA retaliated against his company after he turned down a NSA request on February 27, 2001 that he thought was illegal. Nacchio’s attorney issued a carefully worded statement in 2006, saying that Nacchio had turned down the NSA’s repeated requests for customer call records. The statement says that Nacchio was asked for the records in the fall of 2001, but doesn’t say he was “first asked” then.
And in May 2006, a lawsuit filed against Verizon for allegedly turning over call records to the NSA alleged that AT&T began building a spying facility for the NSA just days after President Bush was inaugurated. That lawsuit is one of 50 that were consolidated and moved to a San Francisco federal district court, where the suits sit in limbo waiting for the 9th Circuit Appeals court to decide whether the suits can proceed without endangering national security.
Originally posted by MadDogtheHunter
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Is the NSA data facility nearing completion? Portion ready for ops testing? That place was alleged to be a massive collection point... in Utah if I remember correctly..
The Data center in Utah opened today. (June 6th, 2013)
And yes, as one previous poster said, "Stick to prepaid". That is a fine and dandy idea....BUT....Prepaid services such as TracFone and Straight Talk piggy-back on the Verizon National Tower Networks. As far as them not needing your SSN....you still use your CC to buy airtime (if you buy it on their site). This will be a tricky one to get around.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that no person shall disclose to any other person that the FBIor NSA has sought or obtained tangible things under this Order, other than to: (a) those persons to whom disclosure is necessary to comply with such Order; (b) an attorney to obtain legal advice or assistance with respect to the production of things in response to the Order; or (c) other persons as permitted by the Director of the FBI or the Director's designee. A person to whom disclosure is made pursuant to (a), (b), or (c)
I agree but the government says it would violate the privacy of Americans, if they actually revealed how much they have violated the privacy of Americans:
Originally posted by elouina
Listen this is our country and supposedly ran by the people. Enough with all this top secret bull. I want a full accounting on my desk by noon tomorrow. What say you all here?
Since last year, a few members of Congress—led by Senator Ron Wyden—have been trying to get the Obama administration to answer a simple question: how many Americans’ phone calls or emails have been and are being collected and read without a warrant under the authority of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA)?...
The government says that it would violate Americans’ privacy for the NSA’s inspector general to estimate how many Americans’ privacy have been violated by the NSA.
Originally posted by supremecommander
People were warned years ago that everything that Bush was doing to destroy the constitution would be taken to the Nth degree by his successor. These people, who were manipulated by lies about arab terrorists coming to kill us all due to our freedoms, ignored these warnings, and looked at Bush as some type of hero until the bottom dropped out from under them in 2008.
Now here we are. Obama has taken the baton, and has run with it.
Originally posted by butcherguy
All Gore says Obama has gone too far.
He calls this outrageous.
Huffingto n Post
Originally posted by Alxandro
Geez almighty, is there no end to what Obama continues to do?
When will his peeps and followers finally realize what they have done?
Have we passed the point of no return?