Ration cards microchips and fingerprint reading for milk, petrol and Toilet Paper in Venezuela

You know i always had respect for Chavez, he dared to stand up to a nation of imperialists, Sad that as soon as he dies, his ex buddies get (more)corrupted and do this crap.
None of this would be happening if we just started producing hemp Toilet Paper.

SWAT will rade you for stocking up on bog rolls.
just like gun stockpilers.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
I would suggest everyone in the US stockpile toilet paper now before the TP tracking system is implemented here. Once the SHTF it's gonna be a crappy situation when they start rationing TP here and we are only allocated 1 roll per week.

It's better to be a Paper Prepper now than stuck up the creek without a roll later.


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I wasn't able to find this in any other talk of this on more reputable news sources.

Originally posted by Arolexion
You know i always had respect for Chavez, he dared to stand up to a nation of imperialists, Sad that as soon as he dies, his ex buddies get (more)corrupted and do this crap.

None of this would be happening if we just started producing hemp Toilet Paper.

Wow, obviously you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening in Venezuela...

Things like this have been happening SINCE Chavez took power...

BTW, also BEFORE Chavez died, and before he disappeared, it was discovered that Chavez's government was hiding food in government storage which was rotting meanwhile the PEOPLE were forced to rations that the government of CHAVEZ, and CHAVEZ himself claimed was because of "capitalists"...

You obviously are completely ignorant that Chavez, and his Chavistas have been working to take ALL power from the people, and more so anyone who would oppose him...

CHAVEZ closed down tv and radio stations that were critical of him, he and his thugs made a law that anyone who would write anything critical of Chavez and his government would be a criminal and would be jailed...

There was one last tv channel that Chavez and his thugs didn't have control of, and this is what happened, Chavez and his thugs made up charges to arrest the owner of the tv station that was still critical of Chavez.

Venezuelan authorities issue arrest warrant for owner of anti-Chavez TV channel Globovision

By JORGE RUEDA , Associated Press

June 11, 2010


CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan authorities issued an arrest warrant Friday for the owner of a television channel that takes a critical line against President Hugo Chavez.

Intelligence agents arrived at a home owned by Guillermo Zuloaga seeking to arrest him and one of his sons Friday night, but their whereabouts were unknown, defense lawyer Perla Jaimes said.

Zuloaga is president and majority shareholder of Globovision, the country's only remaining channel on the airwaves that is stridently opposed to Chavez.

Zuloaga has denied wrongdoing, saying the charges were trumped up in an attempt to intimidate him. Police and soldiers raided his property and found the vehicles in May 2009, but there had been little action in the case for months.

The arrest warrant came a week after Chavez publicly lamented that Zuloaga remained free.

"They caught that man with a bunch of cars in his house and that's a crime — hoarding. And he's free and he has a television channel," Chavez said in a televised speech. He called it a case of "structural weakness" in Venezuela's legal system.

Zuloaga, who also owns several car dealerships, has said he stored the cars on the property for safekeeping because one of his dealerships had been robbed.
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Now here are part of the REAL reasons why this man and his son were arrested...

He also is facing other accusations in court, including criminal charges filed earlier this year accusing Zuloaga accusing of making false and offensive remarks about Chavez at a meeting of the Inter American Press Association in Aruba.
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Chavez has long accused Globovision and other opposition media outlets of conspiring against him. Globovision has been the only anti-Chavez channel on the air since another opposition-aligned channel, RCTV, was forced off cable and satellite TV in January. RCTV had been booted off the open airwaves in 2007.

In a June 3 speech, Chavez took issue with the fact that Zuloaga wasn't in jail in spite of the pending case against him for his remarks in Aruba.
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As the above quote clearly states Chavez had issues with the owner of the TV station being out of jail simply because of his critique of Chavez...

"He's walking around free," Chavez said. "That only happens here in Venezuela. Let Zuloaga go to any other country and say the president ordered someone killed and let's see what happens. They'd put him in jail immediately."

Zuloaga accused Chavez of ordering security forces to open fire on a protest march that was headed toward the presidential palace shortly before a failed 2002 coup. Chavez maintains opponents were behind the bloodshed.
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In fact, right after this happened a military officer of the Venezuelan Armed Forces gave out a recording of Chavez giving the order to the military to use force against the people protesting. I gave a link to the recording, which was in Spanish, as well as videos showing how people in the opposition who were unarmed were being shot and killed by orders of Chavez...

All the above information was excerpted from.
www.startribune.com...

BTW, Chavez and his thugs have been doing the same thing to "regular people" and including to students who have been protesting to have their individual rights back, and their freedom...

Special Reports


Venezuela's private media wither under Chávez assault


The Chávez administration has used an array of legislation, threats, and regulatory measures to gradually break down Venezuela’s independent press while building up a state media empire—a complete reversal of the previous landscape. One result: Vital issues are going uncovered in an election year. A CPJ special report by Monica Campbell

Published August 29, 2012

CARACAS
It seemed like a routine story. In March, José Gregorio Briceño, governor of Venezuela’s southern state of Monagas, appeared on national television and complained that federal officials were not addressing claims of contaminated water in his state. An oil pipeline managed by the state-run oil company PDVSA had recently burst in the Guarapiche River, which runs through Monagas. News accounts followed with testimonies from independent experts and families with ill children.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez Frías vowed to act—not to investigate potential water contamination, but to counter the “media terrorism” threatening the country. Federal officials complained of political manipulation and a media conspiracy in an election year; Chávez is up for a third six-year term in October. Attorney General Luisa Ortega Díaz announced a new federal injunction requiring journalists to base reports on water quality on a “truthful technical report backed by a competent institution.” Otherwise, journalists risked “destabilizing” public order, and could incur fines or jail time.

“So what happens if a woman comes out of her house with a glass of brown water or a child with diarrhea? We can’t transmit it. And what if the community protests over dirty water? We still can’t transmit it?” said Silvia Alegrett, president of the local journalists' group Colegio Nacional de Periodistas. Alegrett and other Venezuelan journalists said that while the government cites water quality studies, obtaining copies of such studies can be difficult. “Officials will wave the studies in the air and say, ‘What the press or activists say isn’t true.’ But then we won’t see the reports,” Alegrett said.

The injunction on water reporting is only the latest addition to a minefield of legislative changes and presidential decrees put forth by Chávez’s administration to restrict the independent media since he took office in 1999. To sidestep the potential fines or prison terms, many journalists and publications censor their own coverage.

The administration has also blocked critical coverage, closed broadcasters, sued reporters for defamation, excluded those it deems unfriendly from official events, and harassed—with the help of government allies and state-run media—critical journalists. The result is that key issues—Chávez’s health, rising unemployment, overcrowded prisons, and the condition of Venezuela’s vital state-run energy sector—are not receiving in-depth, investigative coverage at a critical moment for the country, as Chávez grapples not only with cancer but with an unprecedented challenge for his office from Henrique Capriles Radonski, the governor of the state of Miranda.
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www.cpj.org...


That's the sort of "freedom in the collective" people like you, in your ignorance" keep cheering for...

Oops, forgot to post part of the evidence that CHAVEZ and his thugs have been the ones HOARDING food in GOVERNMENT storage meanwhile they FORCED the people to go into rationing claiming that it was because of "capitalists"...

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Opposition leaders also strongly condemned the Zuloaga arrest warrant as an attempt by Chavez to intimidate critics and distract from domestic problems including a recession and the recent discovery of rotting food in government storage at a port.
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www.startribune.com...

Here is another source reporting this fact...

Venezuelan socialism

Food fight

How to destroy an industry
Jun 10th 2010 | caracas |From the print edition


SOMETHING is rotten in the state of Venezuela: over 2,300 container-loads (and counting) of decomposing food, imported by the government last year and never distributed. The scandal is particularly embarrassing for President Hugo Chávez, since it comes amid growing shortages of basic foodstuffs in state-run grocery chains. But rather than rethink his statist food and agriculture policy, the president has declared “economic war” on the private sector.

The cargoes came to light last month when state intelligence agents were investigating the theft of powdered milk. The government admits that 30,000 tonnes of food are rotting in the port of Puerto Cabello alone. Opposition media put the total so far at over 75,000 tonnes, or around a fifth of what PDVAL, the state company responsible, imported in 2009. The company's former president, Luis Pulido, has been arrested for corruption and up to 20 other officials may suffer the same fate.

PDVAL is a subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, the state oil giant. It was created in 2008, in an oblique recognition that another state-run food chain, Mercal, was failing to do its job. PDVAL's grandiose objective is to achieve “full food sovereignty” and to stamp out what Mr Chávez claims is “hoarding and smuggling” by the private sector. Since 2003, the government has imposed price controls on many foodstuffs. In that year the government defeated a business-led strike which came close to paralysing the economy. The private sector has since faced mounting harassment.
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www.economist.com...

The Chavistas, and the people in Chavez's government don't do ANYTHING that Chavez doesn't tell them to do... Heck, he has been closing down tv stations and radio stations that were critical of his policies, and when he couldn't close down the last TV station that was still critical of him, he made trumped up charges and ordered the arrest of the owner of that TV station, meanwhile doing the same to journalists, students, and ANYONE who would dare speak up against him in Venezuela...

Here is part of what has been happening in Venezuela thanks to Chavez and his Chavistas.

Chavez Supporters Clash With Student Protestors During Demonstration


By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER 03/21/13 06:43 PM ET EDT AP


CARACAS, Venezuela — Supporters of the late President Hugo Chavez hurled rocks and bottles Thursday in an attack on student protesters who were marching against perceived bias by Venezuela's electoral council.

Seven students were reported injured in the violence that raised tensions in a country already sharply divided ahead of next month's presidential election.

Hundreds of students had gathered at a central plaza in the morning and were making their way to the electoral council headquarters in downtown Caracas when they came upon a police barricade.

About 100 Chavez supporters had gathered behind the barricade in the middle of broad Avenida Universidad and began throwing rocks and bottles at the approaching students. A few students lobbed the objects back, setting off a fierce volley between the two sides. At one point, several Chavez supporters pulled a student to the ground and repeatedly kicked him.
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www.huffingtonpost.com...

The students protesting against Chavez's government were more than the Chavez supporters

When there are protests being formed by students, or by the Venezuelan people SOMEHOW the Chavistas find out and send their own people to TRY to counter and stop the protests against Chavez and his thugs...

You know, for a nation that ranks among the more resource rich in the world, with Oil if nothing else, it sure ranks as one of the poorer nations for the misery index of the people who have to endure living there.

That is one major contrast to the Gulf emirates in the Middle East. They may be this or that, but their people live pretty well for standards by the natural wealth their nations export. Venezuela is blessed in that same way, but shows what happens when the good of the many is sacrificed to the good of the few or the one. The many get to figure out how to make do with 1 roll a week ...and hope they don't eat bad food, to blow that roll in less than a day.

Sounds like a crappy solution at times.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Venezuela is blessed in that same way, but shows what happens when the good of the many is sacrificed to the good of the few or the one. The many get to figure out how to make do with 1 roll a week ...and hope they don't eat bad food, to blow that roll in less than a day.

Sounds like a crappy solution at times.

You got it backwards. They sacrificed "individual rights for the good of the many/collective", that's why they are in that hellhole now.

Unfortunately people don't want to listen to facts, it happens even in this website, they would rather keep believing fantasies than facts, and even want to ignore what history shows happens when the "individual rights are given up for the good of the collective, or the good of the Earth"...

Yes, we do have to respect the environment, but not to the point where everyone loses their individual rights and freedom, and all the power is given "to the state", who are nothing more than the rich elites claiming "they will control everything/be tyrants for the good of Earth and the good of the collective"...

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I think we may just disagree with terms and meaning if I read you right. The Few or One wasn't the individual citizen. The average citizen is the many being sacrificed. I mean to point to the few ...at the upper levels of the Venezuelan Government or the One, as it was when Chavez ran it as a singular strong man. Some nations need a "strong man" to run it...but never benefit when he rapes it for personal gain and power, IMO.

Of course I'm likely to get Chavez supporters all over me for saying that, but I'll qualify it by saying it's the truth as I see it.

I can't help but think there are people in the Obama administration looking at this an thinking 'ooh, this could work great up here!'

socialism promises equality but aside from the elites they just end up equally miserable.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

I think we may just disagree with terms and meaning if I read you right. The Few or One wasn't the individual citizen. The average citizen is the many being sacrificed. I mean to point to the few ...at the upper levels of the Venezuelan Government or the One, as it was when Chavez ran it as a singular strong man. Some nations need a "strong man" to run it...but never benefit when he rapes it for personal gain and power, IMO.

Of course I'm likely to get Chavez supporters all over me for saying that, but I'll qualify it by saying it's the truth as I see it.

They took away individual rights, claiming it would help the "collective". Chavez's Venezuela is a socialist dictatorship almost transformed into a full communist dictatorship. In his "address to the union" type speech after "winning" the last election, which was really rigged, he proclaimed to be a communist, not just a socialist.

BTW, even before he won his first election people like me were already saying he was a communist, but many members didn't want to believe it.

Under socialist and or communist dictatorships the rights of the individual are taken away "for the good of the collective". What people don't realize is that by giving up their individual rights for the fantasy of "an equal collective" they are in fact giving all power to a few elites, who "claim to represent the workers/the people".

It has always been that way. Today in the United States, socialism/communism has changed to "progressivism".

Heck, I sometimes do wonder if many of the leftwingers, and neo-cons in power today were part of the "weather underground group", or some other similar group... The same people that Larry Grathwohl, the FBI agent who infiltrated the group has tried to warn Americans about since the 1970s.

In case some of you don't know William Ayers, friend of Obama and a leftwing radical terrorist who for some reason is free to this day and is a professor teaching at the University of Illinois in Chicago, was the founder of the group.



Leftwing politics always end up doing the same thing, transforming free nations into leftwing dictatorships "for the good of the collective"...