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POLITICS: China Backs Iran Amid Difficult Nuclear Talks With EU

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posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 01:59 AM
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Of course I don't believe that.

First we have to deal with Iran and North Korea.

Then we have to deal with the economic war China and the rest of socialist Europe has launched upon us.

But, my friend, free energy devices might alter this course completely.

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[edit on 7-11-2004 by Banshee]




posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:02 AM
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I agree.

Magnet's are the future I believe...and I also believe that alien visitor's craft use magnetic fields to power their vehicles.

And I'm sure the massive military budget black hole is funding this research, but this is where I have some other theories that aren't appropriate for this thread.

We'll see.


WAIT WAIT WAIT

Since you seemed to be so interested in this type of stuff, let me ask you this:

Do you believe in the reversing of the poles on December 12, at 11:11 am?

[edit on 7-11-2004 by cstyle226]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:06 AM
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How will history books remember this? Will they even exist?

This, people, is the begining of World War III I am sorry to say...



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:09 AM
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It was a good topic. Current, pertinent, symbolic, all this and more.

Yes, it was a good topic, and I miss it. Who knows what the world might have learned if only the topic had survived?

Perhaps more ATS members would have a slightly better understanding of the true nature of the geopolitical game being played out in the middle east.

Maybe someone who didn't know that major political moves are being made by all the nations of the world would now know it, and realize that there really is a war underway: WWIII.

Oh well.

R.I.P.


P.S. If you post a really long link name, it screws up the formatting on the page. __rich__ may want to fix that.





[edit on 11/7/2004 by Majic]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:10 AM
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I don't know much about that.

I thought it was a natural occurance.

The whole problem with modern physics is that we rely on theory that was translated and ABRIDGED.

Certain variables were simply left out of the formulae, to simplify it.

Original physics equations accounted for scalar forces, where our modern philosophy does not.

If you look at the patent I posted, you will see that it appears to break the first law of thermodynamics.

This is also HIGHLY relevant to the discussion on Iran.
Once again, wars being fought over what?? ENERGY sources.
The point is that it does indeed work, so there are many theories as to how it can still function within the sphere of the "laws".









[edit on 7-11-2004 by __rich__]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:24 AM
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Petroleum is vital for survival. Exotic energy sources are nice to think about but here is reality. Will something new be invented and used? Maybe. But I think it is too late. It takes a long, long time to change infastructure. Unless it gets destroyed all at once...

I don't agree with invading Iraq... But in a longer term stratigic plan (20 or so years - probaby more soon than that though) it is a smart move. China will defend Iran since they are looking at the same conflict with the US. You need oil to fight a war. One big reason Hitler lost the Battle of the Bludge was because his panzers ran out of gas. If his divisions had the gas they needed it possibly could have delayed the allied offensive long enough to change the course of the war back into Germany's favor.

This all is completely avoidable, ofcourse, but people as a whole are too stupid to figure that out. We are a species hell bent on destroying ourselves for some reason... It doesn't make much evolutionary sense... There is no logical reason for warfare. Anything intellegent would realize the only way to win is to not play in the first place. Such is life for humanity.


Maybe someone who didn't know that major political moves are being made by all the nations of the world would now know it, and realize that there really is a war underway: WWIII.


Right, this has been going on much longer and it much more complex than right at this moment. I just think this might be remembered as a historical moment. The reality is most of conflict is built on previous conflicts thoughout history.

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posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:28 AM
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Interesting theory, tacit...hehe, just kidding.

You're right, of course.

The only thing about that, that keeps it from happening, is $$$.

Destruction for Greed in the name of Freedom!



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:29 AM
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I agree with that statement completely.

But, have a little faith.

Look at the US Patent I posted or look at this site:
www.free-energy.cc...

There won't need to be changes in infastructure.
Except auto modification, which will basically amount to simply ripping out the engine and replacing it with an electric motor.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:31 AM
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if you are going to make a claim that there are countries out there that have a greater population than the U.S., which is true, please keep it a true statement by leaving out the "many" countries out there have a greater population than the U.S., which is false, only 2 do, China and India. America took a dip in its economy and everyone is stating that the US is over and done with... guess what, the economy is rising again... uh oh! You say it is up then down then up, well it has been doing that yes, but on a whole it is up! Did you know that if Europe, easily the second highest continent in terms of living standards, combined all of its countries, it would still be 30 years away from matching the current U.S.'s economy... lol. Your claims are completely unfounded. What country do you live in, because my guess is that you dont live in a country which is like the size of a continent in itself, with the 3rd highest population, and sooooo much happening within the country, and in your own personal life, you cant possibly keep up with the rest of the world. It isn't American Arrogance that you are referring to, its a lack of infinite time in one day. Yet you are trying to say a 3rd world country is going to out rank America. If we actually felt like that was the case dont you think we would pull the plug on them, dont you think the fact that we can pull the plug on them says that you are DEAD wrong! Yes what China did was bold, and personally, i dont think we need to worry about Iran, atleast not right now, and that could be a good thing. But if worst came to worst, and we did have to battle Iran and China, guess what.. WE WOULD STILL WIN THE WAR! And then China's plug would definitly be pulled. I wonder what they would do, what those "corporations" would do, if America pulled the plug on China... move back to america? Oh and by the way, you probably live in Europe right? Well this article was about the EU, guess who else would be involved in this war!



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:32 AM
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I live in America.

But the reason I speak as I do, is because I care about the planet also.

Remember, there are more important things than America.

That's the arrogance I speak of...the my way or the highway attitude that prevails in this country.

That is the reason America will fall.

I know it hurts your sense of national pride, but it's a reality.

And by 2015, America will be lucky if entire Eastern Hemisphere doesn't join up and put us in our place.

[edit on 7-11-2004 by cstyle226]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
It was a good topic. Current, pertinent, symbolic, all this and more.

Yes, it was a good topic, and I miss it. Who knows what the world might have learned if only the topic had survived?

Perhaps more ATS members would have a slightly better understanding of the true nature of the geopolitical game being played out in the middle east.

Maybe someone who didn't know that major political moves are being made by all the nations of the world would now know it, and realize that there really is a war underway: WWIII.

Oh well.

R.I.P.


A while ago I read some where that China only had two months stored supplies of food, I found it hard to believe but they where working some kind of deal, in placing the Chinese troops in Iran, could that be to train Iranian troops to use the Sun Burst.
I will have to see if I can find it.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:35 AM
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the sun burst?

tactical nuclear warfare?

a few tomohawks can take care of Irans nuclear ambitions really quick.

and youre right, China cant afford to piss off the USA.

The worst thing that will happen if we break economic ties with China is that Wal Mart will go out of business.

Big loss to us...lol



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:37 AM
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There won't need to be changes in infastructure.


I am an automotive engineer and deal with this stuff everyday. Change will not happen fast. Sadly this, as it has been pointed out, has a lot to do with economics. Our economy drives nearly everything we do...

I also don't think you realize how much stuff comes from petroleum. It isn't just the gas we put in our cars. Everything from plastics and composites to solar panels require the use of chemicals that are derived from oil. If there is no oil, not only do you loose the use of gas power vehicles but you will no longer have the ability to build alternative energy sources.

Oil is more valuable than even fresh water.



But if worst came to worst, and we did have to battle Iran and China, guess what.. WE WOULD STILL WIN THE WAR! And then China's plug would definitly be pulled. I wonder what they would do, what those "corporations" would do, if America pulled the plug on China... move back to america? Oh and by the way, you probably live in Europe right? Well this article was about the EU, guess who else would be involved in this war!


Nothing would matter in a nuclear winter. World War III will go nuclear... I have no doubt about that. The US, I believe will fire the first shot. Most of us won't die from war itself, we'll die from all the damage done to the enviroment. Our water and food will be poisoned and for a majority of the world death will be slow and painful. I only hope I am lucky enough to be at ground zero.

I recently read somewhere that it is estimated that there are as many as 28,000 seperate nuclear warheads between the US/Russian cold war conflict alone. That is enough to completely abliterate every squre mile of this planet many times over.

And no, I don't live in Europe. I live in the USA as well.


[edit on 7-11-2004 by tacitblue]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by tacitblue
I also don't think you realize how much stuff comes from petroleum. It isn't just the gas we put in our cars. Everything from plastics and composites to solar panels require the use of chemicals that are derived from oil. If there is no oil, not only do you loose the use of gas power vehicles but you will no longer have the ability to build alternative energy sources.


Thats true but don't we simply burn the vast majority of oil in cars and trucks and ships and planes?

I do have to agree though, we live in an oil based world. Even our pharmaceuticals are oil based.

Therefore we live under Saudi Royalty control. Since they are the major oil players in the world.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by cstyle226
And by 2015, America will be lucky if entire Eastern Hemisphere doesn't join up and put us in our place.

That's part of the equation driving political moves today. The war is on, and it's total war, being fought on all fronts and in all arenas. America isn't waiting for 2015, and neither is anyone else.

Being oblivious to the global war in progress is bliss, but it can also lead to some pretty irrational views of world politics.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:57 AM
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[edit on 7/11/2004 by Sauron]



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
America isn't waiting for 2015, and neither is anyone else.
Being oblivious to the global war in progress is bliss


The war now being fought is a war over political and economic ideology.

Its the same old war we've been fighting since the US Revolution.

Its about freedom over socialism and fascism.

Our socialist enemies are at their last desperate gasp, trying to use economic war as a last resort.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 02:59 AM
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Majic,

I know...I was just being optimistic with my 2015 guess...lol.


Anyways, I think America deserves what it gets.

Our fatness and laziness is more than just our health. It's a sign of the overall attitude of this nation.

Gluttonous America will get EXACTLY what it deserves.



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by __rich__

Our socialist enemies are at their last desperate gasp, trying to use economic war as a last resort.


I wouldn't exactly call it their last desperate gasp...but what do I know.

America is always right. How could we be wrong about anything?

Let's use our tanks to bring happiness for everyone!!

FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!



posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by cstyle226
Anyways, I think America deserves what it gets.

Our fatness and laziness is more than just our health. It's a sign of the overall attitude of this nation.

Gluttonous America will get EXACTLY what it deserves.


Wait a damn second. Can you really blame Americans?
There are chemicals in the food we eat that make us fat, the drugs they give us are not healthy, and our entire society is being bombarded constantly by socially engineered TV culture.

Ill concede that most people just believe what they see on TV and dont question authority.

But that is because Americans have no TIME to question things like these.

Americans work more hours on average daily than ANY industrailized nation.

We also get the LEAST amount of paid vacations, and days off.

Thats nothing but a MYTH that "all americans are fat lazy capitalist pigs".

MOST Americans work so hard they get stress related illnesses. From lack of time off and relaxation. Period.



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