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And the reduced use of pesticides and artificial fertilizers?
How much damage to local eco-systems is being caused by the increased use of herbicides?
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Can someone explain what is so bad about Monsanto or GMOs? I have searched the internet and seen some claims but I haven’t seen the evidence to back them up. Modifying foods to grow disease and drought resistant doesn’t sound like a bad thing to me or being able to grow crops in otherwise unsuitable soil sounds good to me.
If they are like poison as some sites say where is the evidence to back it up. This is pretty new topic to me. I have seen several posts throughout ATS in the past berating Monsanto but until today I have never bothered to look into it without any success at finding substance.
If someone would be kind enough to post some links to what convinced you on the evils of this new subject matter I would appreciate it.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Thanks everyone for the information however I need to do more research before I can come to any conclusion on this subject. The best link IMO that was provided was the study on the rats but as I am sure all of you already know that test was extremely small I expected a much larger control group and follow up tests to see if the results were repeatable I wasn’t very impressed with the control group which they put roundup in their drinking water that was kind of a no brainer to me. I mean that is pretty much what I would expect if not worse.
Anyway I am going to try and find the studies mentioned here that were done outside of the US on this. I probably wasn’t clear enough when I posted but I am primarily interested on studies that affect us as the consumer as in health wise. I have no doubt Monsanto is a corporation with one goal in mind which is profit and they will cut corners or lower standards to reach that goal. I expect that from all corporations. The information I want to obtain is if there are health risks from eating GM foods just what are they. I am hoping that there are studies out there that have shown this.
Again thanks for the info it was interesting and if anyone knows the link to the info I spoke of I would appreciate if they posted it here. Like so many have pointed out there is a lot of information on the web concerning GM foods but as I am sure most of you know there is also a lot of garbage out there as well and unfortunately it can be tiresome wading through it all to find anything factual.
Politics? Not science.
I wonder why?
Originally posted by dogstar23
Another thought to add to my earlier post after reading more posts..."genetic modification", in and of itself isn't "bad", it is both the way it is used (example - to allow horribly toxic roundup to be used on food crops) and the fact that they're not very good at it. I could imagine the science advancing enough in 10-20 years that they could properly manipulate the genes to accomplish worthwile outcomes without brutal side effects. Altering plant genes so that they can metabolize the toxins in poor soils, stripped of proper nutrients from decades of depending on chemical fertilizers, without passing the chemicals on in food, or developing specific pest resistance (such as a scent primary "predators" are repelled by), to eliminate the use of pesticides, without becoming toxic to humans, or the ecosystem, including those very pests they are designed to keep away, which, in most cases are critical to maintaining certain balances, but also, in most cases, have populations and concentrations which have themselves boomed out of proportion, due to the nature of our mass-agriculture. If we can play the technological / interference/intervention game without getting burned (directly, or subtly and indirectly over time), as badly as we are now, it woukd be more preferable to total ecological collapse, and more feasible, simply based on the way our society works, than switching everything over to organic/natural farming - that would be ideal, but "ideal" isn't likely.
So we can scream til we're blue in the face to just do things the smart way, for the short and long term, but the shift required in so many things would be so drastic as to not be feasible in implementation unless by force. What really does need to happen is a moritorium and cleanup of all GMOs, until the technology advances suffi iently to be worth using. If we continue as we are, my fear is that the odds favor an ecological disaster and mass worldwide famine.
Why let it in the country if the seed will be claimed by a patent, and spawn hundreds of lawsuits over who owns the seed.