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The Alex Jones Conspiracy

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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 09:27 PM
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You know when he "transformed" from Bill Hicks to Alex Jones. Obviously I was joking.


OH RIGHT! I forgot about that transformation!


Sorry, I’m a bit defensive tonight….




posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Look at the last line first column. Born February 11th.

Alexander Emerick "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American radio host, author, conspiracy theorist.

Alex Jones is Bill Hicks DEBUNKED. It was one of the dumber conspiracies anyway.
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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 10:23 PM
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Alex Jones is the go to guy for conspiracy theories. That either means he is a victim of his own success or that he is a shill...popularity breeds suspicion.
The thing is, even if Jones is legit, he is too well known, and is the mainstream medias face of conspiracy theorists..he would be considered an asset weather he knows it or not, because of his world wide fame as "the conspiracy guy".
It works like this, in my estimation...lets say Jones is on the level, and honestly believes in what he says...Well if the NWO..or whatever name you choose to give it...if Jones calls them out on a false flag on some random date in the future..all they have to do is cancel it and make him look like a fool...
So weather he is a willing agent or not, he is still a useful asset...because anything he says can be used against him or to prop him up. That's generally how assets are "used"..I think people get the wrong idea. Assets are expendable, they may be useful from time to time, but they can also be sacrificed at any moment too, just like in a game of chess...you use the pawns to fulfill an objective. . So bearing this in mind, it hardly matters if Jones if a willing pawn or not, because it's obvious that his position is one that can be used by others to further their own agendas...He is basically in a no win scenario if he is legit, as his predictions can only be fulfilled by a willing partner...and as they are the ones really pulling the strings they can choose if they wish to make Jones look like a hero or a lunatic.. I mean look at Julian Assange...He is another one...One minute he is a hero, and then later people see him as an agent...then he gets his trumped up rape charges..then he is a hero again...see...

Trust your own eyes and ears..thats all you have.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:07 AM
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After reading your comment I listened to the whole interview and you're right. Something looks fishy. Notice how many times Alex looks to his left any when hes fighting arguments with Kokesh. But as we know Infowars is a for profit business. It's only logic for them to not be associated to anything that might actually piss off the establishment, as Adam's doing.

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posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 11:33 PM
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This is all you need to know.

alexjonesisbillhicks.com...



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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See, this is the kind of "If you step out of line, you're a shill" attitude that seems to be spreading like a plague on ATS. You implied that me "being busy" was fishy. You jumped the gun on that one. That's just ridiculous.
Is it? YOU are the one that called yourself a shill. I still, to this point, havent said a single word even hinting at it. I said its pretty fishy to make a single statement that allows you to disregard a good number of posts, while still finding the time to post on the more fringe ones.

Funny, you found the time to reply to these last two posts of mine, but not the one about the ACTUAL topic.

Its STILL fishy. Calling something fishy is not the same as calling someone a shill, but I still find it interesting that you immediately jump there.




What tactic? Me working on school work all day, and explaining to ATS why I can't reply to everyone right away? What tactic is that?

The quite obvious one that I have THRICE pointed out.




I focus on evidence and facts, and through all the videos, links, and hate mongering, there aren't many. The closest thing to facts I've found is the ex-STRATFOR woman who signed up with Infowars a year ago.

Really? So the MANY things listed on the first page or two of this thread that you have conveniently not had the time to reply to arent facts?




And even then, what does that prove?
Its been proven, 100x over, that he is unreliable at best, and a liar, more likely.




And I find it hard to believe that a media station like Infowars could draw so much attention and lack so much "Disinfo" evidence. They're under a lot of scopes.
Yup, and its proven, time and time again. You just choose to disregard it.




That's why I thought ATS could provide some hard evidence to Infowars' supposed dirty laundry.
As it has done, time and time again.




What you describe as "shrugging it off" is me seeing certain tactics of Alex objectively, and while some of them are disagreeable, none of them prove him to be a shill, and also, still nothing on the Zionist evidence too.
And again, I ask: Is it better to be a shill or just a loud mouth fear-mongerer? Those are really the only two options with jones.




But the replies on this thread may as well be copy&pasted from the last thread. Almost everything here, I've seen before.

Maybe a 1001st thread on the topic is in order. Maybe then you will get whatever answer you are looking for.




This may surprise you, but people who don't see things exactly the way you do aren't "fishy."
congrats on a factual statement





I don't see Infowars' credibility the way you do.
Because you choose to ignore the info presented to you.




That's my opinion. Simple as that. It doesn't make anything "fishy."
Having an opinion certainly doesnt. The tactics you use most definitely are.




The only thing on this thread that dissapoints me about Alex a bit is the whole Walmart-Youngjevity thing.
So you're good with all the lies, untruths, disinfo and fear mongering?




I never knew about that. And his behavior at the 2nd Amendment rally hits me close to home too. I don't like thinking that a role model of mine is that big of a douchebag.
Role model? Now that explains a lot.




BUT! I'm willing to look past those things, because its not like he's my best friend. He's a media head, and I'm just testing his media credibility. NOT paying mind to his exaggerations. Just the stories.
And thats why the conspiracy theory community will never have credibility. So many people are willing to look past the fact that they are being played.
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 04:22 PM
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Is it? YOU are the one that called yourself a shill. I still, to this point, havent said a single word even hinting at it. I said its pretty fishy to make a single statement that allows you to disregard a good number of posts, while still finding the time to post on the more fringe ones.


I find it interesting that you're claiming you're not implying I'm a shill, yet you state my method of replying is "fishy." What is that supposed to imply, then?





Funny, you found the time to reply to these last two posts of mine, but not the one about the ACTUAL topic.


As I said (a number of times) I've already stated my response to your, and everyone else's, replies. My response was kind of general and directed at everyone, because a lot of the hate-mongers on this thread seem to be giving me the same feedback, none of which provided any REAL evidence.



Its STILL fishy. Calling something fishy is not the same as calling someone a shill, but I still find it interesting that you immediately jump there.


Lol. You implied twice in this sentence that I'm acting suspiciously, yet you're not implying I'm a shill.

Y'okay.





The quite obvious one that I have THRICE pointed out.


Things you manifest in your head don't count. Even if it was "Thrice." ....





Really? So the MANY things listed on the first page or two of this thread that you have conveniently not had the time to reply to arent facts?


No, they aren't.

As I said before--and yet AGAIN--they're lists of his rantings that people blow out of whack and attempt (poorly) to use as ammunition against him, and videos capturing some slightly unfavorable character flaws. No evidence pointing to him being a disinformation agent, or of rigging Infowars to kill its ex-employees.




Its been proven, 100x over, that he is unreliable at best, and a liar, more likely.


He rants and exaggerates, most definitely. But the only thing he's mistaken with are SOME of his predictions--and if you have any kind of logic wedged into your cognitive thought processes, you'll understand that people are not meant to predict the future. We are not Gods, and we are not psychic.




Yup, and its proven, time and time again. You just choose to disregard it.


Where is it proven? I can't disregard evidence that does not exist.





As it has done, time and time again.


Alright, sure. Dirty laundry, maybe.

But no evidence.




And again, I ask: Is it better to be a shill or just a loud mouth fear-mongerer? Those are really the only two options with jones.


Because some people don't know how to listen to a passionate human being without becoming overwhelmed with emotion doesn't make him a fear monger. Like I said, he's just a person. Being angry doesn't make someone a fear monger.




Maybe a 1001st thread on the topic is in order. Maybe then you will get whatever answer you are looking for.


Lol. Or maybe I was right in believing that Alex-haters can't provide answers. Looks that way.




congrats on a factual statement


Lol.




Because you choose to ignore the info presented to you.


The info contains no hard evidence, so... yeah. Ignored.





Having an opinion certainly doesnt. The tactics you use most definitely are.


Wow...
I graduated today. Graduating highschool and balancing your time isn't an arguing tactic.




So you're good with all the lies, untruths, disinfo and fear mongering?


The fact that Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart gives no back to untruths, disinfo, or fear mongering.






Role model? Now that explains a lot.


Yeah? Oh dear... cause your opinion matters, and everything.





And thats why the conspiracy theory community will never have credibility. So many people are willing to look past the fact that they are being played.


Everything isn't a big scary "Out to get you!" conspiracy.

Because Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart, this somehow proves that Alex Jones is a fear monger and is out to get us, because he's a disinformation agent? It mean's he's "playing" everyone?

I hate to break it to you, but in order to maintain his role, he's gotta maintain his money flow. Don't give me that "GASP! He's making money! He must just be trying to get rich off this conspiracy stuff!" crap. Anyone holding that position would need funds. It would be ignorant to suggest otherwise.

The Youngevity-Wal-Mart relation is just business.

And, if I had the opportunity to steal money from big business in order to aid in bringing them down, I'd do it in a heartbeat.



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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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I find it interesting that you're claiming you're not implying I'm a shill, yet you state my method of replying is "fishy." What is that supposed to imply, then?
Its supposed to imply that you are acting in a less than honest manor. That you are not looking for true discussion on the matter.

That in no way implies you are a shill. Though, I am STILL finding it quite interesting that you are stuck on the thought....




As I said (a number of times) I've already stated my response to your, and everyone else's, replies. My response was kind of general and directed at everyone, because a lot of the hate-mongers on this thread seem to be giving me the same feedback, none of which provided any REAL evidence.
Is it hate-mongering to point out his lies? His false predictions? His profiteering?

You arent looking for conversation on the matter. You are looking to defend AJ (you said it yourself, he's your role model
) . Which is why you choose to disregard all of the relevant proof that he is not trustworthy.




Lol. You implied twice in this sentence that I'm acting suspiciously, yet you're not implying I'm a shill. Y'okay

Like I said, acting in a less than honest manner does not make you a shill. Why are you fixated on this idea that you have in your head about me thinking you are a shill? Ive never said any such thing, yet you continue to go on and on about it....




Things you manifest in your head don't count. Even if it was "Thrice." ....


Stay in school. Thrice means three times.

Nothing is manifested out of my head. Like all of your other garbage and backtracking, it is there for all to see.




No, they aren't.


So its not a fact that all of those predictions failed? Its not a fact that he has made many false claims? it is not a fact that he makes immense amounts of money by keeping people scared?
Its not a fact that he has been fear-mongering for decades now?




As I said before--and yet AGAIN--they're lists of his rantings that people blow out of whack and attempt (poorly) to use as ammunition against him, and videos capturing some slightly unfavorable character flaws. No evidence pointing to him being a disinformation agent, or of rigging Infowars to kill its ex-employees.

Seriously? What world do you live in? The only two things you keep coming back to are "disinfo agent" and "dead infowars employees". What about all of the lies? What about disinfo like everything i listed on page one?




He rants and exaggerates, most definitely. But the only thing he's mistaken with are SOME of his predictions--and if you have any kind of logic wedged into your cognitive thought processes, you'll understand that people are not meant to predict the future. We are not Gods, and we are not psychic.
Then why does he keep trying, and why are you defending him in doing so?




Where is it proven? I can't disregard evidence that does not exist
I posted a nice list on page one. Its only a small snapshot of all of his lies and misinformation.

When you stop disregarding facts, youll see it.




Alright, sure. Dirty laundry, maybe. But no evidence.
This is pathetic. its all on page one of this thread. The only evidence you will accept is proof that he has had someone killed.

Seriously, just ridiculous.




Because some people don't know how to listen to a passionate human being without becoming overwhelmed with emotion doesn't make him a fear monger. Like I said, he's just a person. Being angry doesn't make someone a fear monger.
No, continually telling people they will be locked up in fema camps, that G.W. Bush is going to declare martial law, that Obama is going to declare martial law, that we are being targeted with chemical warfare, that, basically, the sky is falling, for DECADES, all while you get quite rich off of selling that fear, DOES, IN FACT, make you a fear-monger.




Lol. Or maybe I was right in believing that Alex-haters can't provide answers. Looks that way.

page one, friend. Go back and read page one.




The info contains no hard evidence, so... yeah. Ignored.
Direct quotes of his outright lies and misinformation....yup, no evidence at all
truly, just pathetic.




Wow... I graduated today. Graduating highschool and balancing your time isn't an arguing tactic.





The fact that Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart gives no back to untruths, disinfo, or fear mongering.
And all the rest of the quotes?




Yeah? Oh dear... cause your opinion matters, and everything
It makes so much more sense now.




Everything isn't a big scary "Out to get you!" conspiracy.
Are you not the one here claiming that there is a conspiracy to 'get' alex jones?
Yikes. cognitive dissonance. Look it up.




Because Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart, this somehow proves that Alex Jones is a fear monger and is out to get us, because he's a disinformation agent? It mean's he's "playing" everyone?
Im not speaking about wal-mart. I am speaking about all of his lies.




I hate to break it to you, but in order to maintain his role, he's gotta maintain his money flow. Don't give me that "GASP! He's making money! He must just be trying to get rich off this conspiracy stuff!" crap. Anyone holding that position would need funds. It would be ignorant to suggest otherwise.
Fear-mongers are always quite good at making money.




And, if I had the opportunity to steal money from big business in order to aid in bringing them down, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Figures. You seem the type.
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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That in no way implies you are a shill. Though, I am STILL finding it quite interesting that you are stuck on the thought....


You're implying that I'm acting suspicious somehow, that was my point.




Is it hate-mongering to point out his lies? His false predictions? His profiteering?

You arent looking for conversation on the matter. You are looking to defend AJ (you said it yourself, he's your role model ) . Which is why you choose to disregard all of the relevant proof that he is not trustworthy.


Such as?

I wasn't looking for conversation, true. But I overestimated ATS in the respect that I expected at least one person who spends their spare time digging into conspiracies to possess real evidence against AJ.

Sure, I want to defend him. So?

I've said a million times now; the information posted proves nothing.




Like I said, acting in a less than honest manner does not make you a shill. Why are you fixated on this idea that you have in your head about me thinking you are a shill? Ive never said any such thing, yet you continue to go on and on about it....


Your implication (that I'm somehow acting fishy) was clear. I really don't understand how you can't comprehend that.




Stay in school. Thrice means three times.


M'kay. Its not used in regular conversation. Just because I don't use the word "thrice" doesn't mean I need to "stay in school."





Nothing is manifested out of my head. Like all of your other garbage and backtracking, it is there for all to see.


Really? Cause there's nothing here backing you. Kinda hypocritical.




So its not a fact that all of those predictions failed? Its not a fact that he has made many false claims? it is not a fact that he makes immense amounts of money by keeping people scared? Its not a fact that he has been fear-mongering for decades now?


No. Because some of his predictions succeeded, as I've posted before.

No, because people like you, who love to hate monger, fail to see the difference between lying and exaggerating.

No, because he has a message to send, which he uses his funds for.

And no, because the last statement is a generalized hate claim.





Seriously? What world do you live in? The only two things you keep coming back to are "disinfo agent" and "dead infowars employees". What about all of the lies? What about disinfo like everything i listed on page one?


Lol. I want things proving or strongly suggesting he's working WITH the powers that be, and against the people somehow, as many of his haters claim. The "lies" are exaggerations, and if you pay attention, some of those "lies" became truths later down the road.




Then why does he keep trying, and why are you defending him in doing so?


Because I don't disown people for simple character flaws. I enjoy being a decent human being who has a shred of hope for fellow people.




I posted a nice list on page one. Its only a small snapshot of all of his lies and misinformation.


Those predictions you posted... God, are you serious? You really think those were honest predictions? Don't you understand that he's a really sarcastic person, and often exaggerates things when he's frustrated?

See, people like to take little bits and pieces of his rants and use them as ammo against him like this. They don't listen to the intended message, but rather something they believe they can use as a weapon against him and his credibility, just to cause a stir.

So, if he actually DID say all these things, that means he was serious and honest, right?

Just like the guy trying to state that Alex was Bill Hicks, simply because Alex SAID he was Bill Hicks.

For God's sake. He was being sarcastic.

He's also stated that he's a gay Illuminati reptoid. I suppose that was genuine too?





This is pathetic. its all on page one of this thread. The only evidence you will accept is proof that he has had someone killed.


Give me something other than a list of bs predictions, then. Even if, by some odd chance, he WAS being serious about all those predictions, so what? He's not working with the powers. He's not intentionally trying to screw anyone over. You can't expect people to predict the future correctly every time. Like I said, he's not a psychic.




Seriously, just ridiculous.


I think its ridiculous that some half-qualified list of might=be predictions is expected to pass as disinfo evidence.




No, continually telling people they will be locked up in fema camps, that G.W. Bush is going to declare martial law, that Obama is going to declare martial law, that we are being targeted with chemical warfare, that, basically, the sky is falling, for DECADES, all while you get quite rich off of selling that fear, DOES, IN FACT, make you a fear-monger.


Wow.
You really can't look at people like PEOPLE, can you?

Continued~



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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page one, friend. Go back and read page one.

Direct quotes of his outright lies and misinformation....yup, no evidence at all truly, just pathetic.



Qualified exaggerations. The fact that you consider that disinfo evidence IS pathetic.




Wow... I graduated today. Graduating highschool and balancing your time isn't an arguing tactic.


How is that funny?


So balancing my time between school work and ATS is a fishy arguing tactic, then?

Wow. Yep, pathetic.





And all the rest of the quotes?


Stated above.




Are you not the one here claiming that there is a conspiracy to 'get' alex jones? Yikes. cognitive dissonance. Look it up.




I wanna point out the irony here, that your feelings regarding AJ seem to be clashing with my beliefs pretty damn hard. Just like your beliefs on homosexuality did. Anything challenging your beliefs sends you on this trolling spree everyone following this thread is seeing. No wonder you use the Cognitive Dissonance card so often. You must be *familiar* with it.




Im not speaking about wal-mart. I am speaking about all of his lies.


You related the Wal-Mart thing to what you were saying.

The *lies* were mere exaggerations that people blow out of whack.





Fear-mongers are always quite good at making money.


Okay. Do you think he'd be as miserable and angry as he is if he did it just to roll around in the dough?

You're a hypocrite for using "Cognitive Dissonance" as ammunition in an argument when you refuse to look at other people from a psychological (and dare I say, humble) point of view.




Figures. You seem the type.


Damn straight.



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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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You're implying that I'm acting suspicious somehow, that was my point.
Naw, thats what you're inferring. I laid out for you what I was implying.




Such as?
Page 1.




I wasn't looking for conversation, true. But I overestimated ATS in the respect that I expected at least one person who spends their spare time digging into conspiracies to possess real evidence against AJ.
So, then, why make the thread? You admit you dont want an actual conversation on the matter. So whats the point?





Sure, I want to defend him. So?
So? Sew buttons. You are willingly ignoring information, because you are biased.




I've said a million times now; the information posted proves nothing.

If the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of lies, failed predictions, and fear mongering quotes dont prove anything to you, Im not sure what else to say.




Your implication (that I'm somehow acting fishy) was clear. I really don't understand how you can't comprehend that.

I comprehend that you are paranoid about being called a shill. I just dont understand why you are so quick to go there.




M'kay. Its not used in regular conversation. Just because I don't use the word "thrice" doesn't mean I need to "stay in school.
Naw, but it might help.




Really? Cause there's nothing here backing you. Kinda hypocritical.
yup, nothing to see here. Ignore all that info on page one, folks. Move along.





No. Because some of his predictions succeeded, as I've posted before.
You have to be kidding me. You throw enough poop against a wall, some is bound to stick.




No, because people like you, who love to hate monger, fail to see the difference between lying and exaggerating.
So it was just an exaggeration when he said W would declare martial law? It was just an exaggeration when he said the same about Obama? It was just an exaggeration when he said obama was going to orchestrate his own fake assassination? Was it an exaggeration when he said that there would definitely be a bank run in '09?

Come on now, kiddo.




No, because he has a message to send, which he uses his funds for.
"The sky is falling....now buy my stuff so I can keep telling you the sky is falling!"

Some message indeed.




And no, because the last statement is a generalized hate claim
No, its not, as I provided examples.




Lol. I want things proving or strongly suggesting he's working WITH the powers that be, and against the people somehow, as many of his haters claim. The "lies" are exaggerations, and if you pay attention, some of those "lies" became truths later down the road.
He doesnt have to be working WITH anyone to be non-credible.




The "lies" are exaggerations, and if you pay attention, some of those "lies" became truths later down the road.
See poop reference above.




Because I don't disown people for simple character flaws. I enjoy being a decent human being who has a shred of hope for fellow people.
If you consider being a liar and selling fear a simple character flaw, Id hate to see what you think is a real one.




Those predictions you posted... God, are you serious? You really think those were honest predictions? Don't you understand that he's a really sarcastic person, and often exaggerates things when he's frustrated?
really? thats pretty convenient. So he isnt accountable for his predictions, except when they come true?

could you be any more of a fanboy?




See, people like to take little bits and pieces of his rants and use them as ammo against him like this. They don't listen to the intended message, but rather something they believe they can use as a weapon against him and his credibility, just to cause a stir.
Ive seen a LOT of Alex Jones. A. LOT. You can play the 'its just clips' game, but nobody is buying it.




So, if he actually DID say all these things, that means he was serious and honest, right?

Just like the guy trying to state that Alex was Bill Hicks, simply because Alex SAID he was Bill Hicks.
So every failed prediction on his part was sarcasm? Another convenient shrug off.




Give me something other than a list of bs predictions, then. Even if, by some odd chance, he WAS being serious about all those predictions, so what? He's not working with the powers. He's not intentionally trying to screw anyone over. You can't expect people to predict the future correctly every time. Like I said, he's not a psychic.
Which brings me all the way back to the question you refuse to answer: is it better to be a shill, or a loud mouth fear monger who throws as many theories against a wall as he can, in hopes that one sticks?





I think its ridiculous that some half-qualified list of might=be predictions is expected to pass as disinfo evidence.
He made the predictions. How can you possibly say they cant be used to prove he is not credible?

Ooohhh, I forgot....all of the failed ones were sarcastic.





Wow. You really can't look at people like PEOPLE, can you?
I look at people for what they do. Which, in the end, is what people are.
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Qualified exaggerations. The fact that you consider that disinfo evidence IS pathetic.
I thought they were sarcasm? He is stating these things, as fact, to his audience. You can try and qualify it all you want, it doesnt matter.




How is that funny?
Because you really are a master cop-out artist.




So balancing my time between school work and ATS is a fishy arguing tactic, then?
You seriously STILL dont get it?




I wanna point out the irony here, that your feelings regarding AJ seem to be clashing with my beliefs pretty damn hard. Just like your beliefs on homosexuality did. Anything challenging your beliefs sends you on this trolling spree everyone following this thread is seeing. No wonder you use the Cognitive Dissonance card so often. You must be *familiar* with it.
Typical. I am challenging you so I must be trolling


Learn about it. Perhaps youll see what I am getting at (such as saying "its not all some big conspiracy to get you" in the thread that you made about some big conspiracy out to get someone).




You related the Wal-Mart thing to what you were saying.
Nope. I didnt say a word about it.




The *lies* were mere exaggerations that people blow out of whack.
I'm thinking this is awesome. Now, to get away with a lie, we just have to call it an exaggeration. This could be useful for a lot of people.




Okay. Do you think he'd be as miserable and angry as he is if he did it just to roll around in the dough?
I dont think he IS miserable and angry.




You're a hypocrite for using "Cognitive Dissonance" as ammunition in an argument when you refuse to look at other people from a psychological (and dare I say, humble) point of view.
Nice try, but you're using it wrong.

For the record, I was watching Aj while you were still in diapers. Ive seen the path he's travelled. Ive seen where he sold out. Ive watched him 'turn' for lack of a better label.




Damn straight
I guess its at least admirable that you admit to being a thief and a snake who would rob if given the chance.....



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Naw, thats what you're inferring. I laid out for you what I was implying.


Wow. M'kay.





So, then, why make the thread? You admit you dont want an actual conversation on the matter. So whats the point?


Cause... evidence? Maybe people on ATS now things that I don't that might challenge my beliefs? So far, nothing has.




So? Sew buttons. You are willingly ignoring information, because you are biased.




Wooow. You're one to talk.

I explained my situation on the matter. The fact that you dismiss it as such means nothing.




If the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of lies, failed predictions, and fear mongering quotes dont prove anything to you, Im not sure what else to say.


Already explained my position on this, moving on...




I comprehend that you are paranoid about being called a shill. I just dont understand why you are so quick to go there.


That seems to be a popular name to throw around when a fellow ATSer disagrees with you.

Anyone, I mean. Not *you*




Naw, but it might help.


It really doesn't. Education is the phenomenon that occurs once one has forgotten what one has learned in school.





yup, nothing to see here. Ignore all that info on page one, folks. Move along.


Yup, ignore the bias accusations and qualified predictions, folks.




You have to be kidding me. You throw enough poop against a wall, some is bound to stick.


So my evidence is wrong, and yours is right. Thanks for clearing that up.





So it was just an exaggeration when he said W would declare martial law? It was just an exaggeration when he said the same about Obama? It was just an exaggeration when he said obama was going to orchestrate his own fake assassination? Was it an exaggeration when he said that there would definitely be a bank run in '09?


You're gonna tell me none of that sounds exaggerated?


And besides, look at what happened to Boston. Look at what happened to Chicago. Look at what happened in Orlando. Martial Law.




"The sky is falling....now buy my stuff so I can keep telling you the sky is falling!"


Now THAT is an exaggeration.




No, its not, as I provided examples.


With no base. I find it hypocritical that you think you can call anyone else bias. Do you read what you post?




He doesnt have to be working WITH anyone to be non-credible.


You seem to have some outright hate for him, even just claiming he's non-credible.

If you found out some secret about him that totally shattered any kind of trust for his word, I could understand it. But you're going on marketing tactics and a few exaggerated predictions.

That doesn't seem like a fair basis to hate someone.




If you consider being a liar and selling fear a simple character flaw, Id hate to see what you think is a real one.


It figures, having any kind of integrity is laughable in society anymore. Laugh it up.




really? thats pretty convenient. So he isnt accountable for his predictions, except when they come true?


That's not what I implied.
Sorry if it came off that way, but that's not how I meant it.




could you be any more of a fanboy?


Just a supporting listener. And I'm not a *boy*




Ive seen a LOT of Alex Jones. A. LOT. You can play the 'its just clips' game, but nobody is buying it.


Yeah? So have I. Its your perspective that's skewed, not the object in sight.




So every failed prediction on his part was sarcasm? Another convenient shrug off.


Just like dismissing everything he says as fear mongering.




Which brings me all the way back to the question you refuse to answer: is it better to be a shill, or a loud mouth fear monger who throws as many theories against a wall as he can, in hopes that one sticks?


This seems disturbingly narrow minded to me. So there are only two options here, huh? Black or white? Its better to revolt against tyranny. There's my answer.




He made the predictions. How can you possibly say they cant be used to prove he is not credible?


I understand your perspective on this, alright? But I also understand that he gets heated and says crazy sh*t sometimes. That's why you have to listen for the intended message. Not the anger surrounding it.




I look at people for what they do. Which, in the end, is what people are.


It seems that you judge them on their mistakes rather than their intentions. That's why I have a hard time taking you seriously. It doesn't seem like a fair base for judgment.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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I thought they were sarcasm? He is stating these things, as fact, to his audience. You can try and qualify it all you want, it doesnt matter.


Nor does your crooked opinion. Moving on...




Because you really are a master cop-out artist.




Sure, dude. When you complete four entire courses in four months, then I'll care what you think.




You seriously STILL dont get it?


Get that me finishing school work is somehow a cop-out or "fishy?"





Typical. I am challenging you so I must be trolling


You act like a troll. Just saying.




Learn about it. Perhaps youll see what I am getting at (such as saying "its not all some big conspiracy to get you" in the thread that you made about some big conspiracy out to get someone).


I was referencing something different from my OP.




Nope. I didnt say a word about it.


You don't have to type something out word for word in order to connect one subject to another.




I'm thinking this is awesome. Now, to get away with a lie, we just have to call it an exaggeration. This could be useful for a lot of people.


This tells me you're pretty merciless and judgmental of people regarding their flukes. No wonder we don't get along.




I dont think he IS miserable and angry.


Really?





Nice try, but you're using it wrong.


Cognitive Dissonance is a psychological term, and I was pointing out that it was funny, you using a psychological term in an argument when your psychological observation for other people is so crucially lacking.




For the record, I was watching Aj while you were still in diapers. Ive seen the path he's travelled. Ive seen where he sold out. Ive watched him 'turn' for lack of a better label.


Your opinion.




I guess its at least admirable that you admit to being a thief and a snake who would rob if given the chance.....


Look at what our leaders are. Yeah, I'm proud to say I'd do anything to take them down.

You're not gonna convince me that I'm worse than them. Nice try.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:05 PM
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I posted a reply to your last post, but it seems clear that there is no point, so I decided to edit it.

As you said yourself, you are not really looking for a conversation on the matter, you are only looking to defend AJ, as an ardent and devoted fan. There can be no real conversation with someone who comes in with their mind made up. So I'll just leave it with a few thoughts, and then you can have you last word, as you seem determined to do.

Defending lying with semantics is naive and grotesque. You can call a turd a flower all you want, but the look and smell give it away. I don't care whether or not you want to call them 'lies', untruths, or 'exaggerations', or 'sarcasm'. The FACT is that AJ presents these things, without qualification, to his (very naive) audience as fact.

Smells like a turd to me.

Now, it's obvious that you have some attachment to him, and are willing to overlook the vast amounts of harm he does to the conspiracy theory community, and that is your choice. But make no mistake, you ARE being played.
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
HOW is he connected to STRATFOR? All I see is that the organization was founded around the time Alex started getting into media. I haven't found any family or friend connections, no connections whatsoever.





No, not "around the time." TBH that really makes it sound like you're trying to gloss it over and under-state the truth. The truth is this:


Alex Jones show was started not only in the same year but also in the same city as STRATFOR.

And if you couldn't find any connection to Jones' circle, you clearly didn't search very hard. This info is out there. The closest to him I've seen, is Molly Maroney (sp?) who is a producer for his show. Ms. Maroney lists on her resume, STRATFOR as a previous employer, before she was with Jones.


I think those two connections alone seem a little fishy. When you combine that with his fear mongering and some of his other behavior? Look up the video where Jones went to and completely disrupted that rally. There are a number of vids that show this-- some are better (show more) than others.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Its quite clear that you have some intention of getting the last word, and of dragging this conversation into a bickering match, so I will reply to the relevant points of your post, and then leave it be, so that you can get your last word in and feel good about yourself.




Because you can't keep up with an argument that you started. Alrighty then. Whateverya say.




You will only accept evidence on two fringe theories. You will not accept any other.


Let me explain this once more. The information posted was based upon marketing tactics or character flaws, no disinfo evidence.




No, its sounds paranoid and delusional. Are you going to try and claim that he did not present these predictions and claims, without qualification, as fact to his audience?


Well, I guess you're right. He's also a gay Illuminati Bill Hicks reptoid, because he presented that to his audience too. Yeah... you got me.





Look, more lies! (Or as you like to call them, exaggerations).


Wow, so none of that stuff happened?






Oh honey, oh sweety no. I dont hate anyone. I just think its sad to see some out there that are this gullible.


You don't think I question everything before I support it? I think the guy's intentions are far more important than his marketing tactics and character flukes. That's all.




So lying, and then justifying it by saying it was an 'exaggeration' is a sign of integrity? Yikes....


Not judging someone because of their flukes is integrity.





Yes, I know, you make it a point to throw the fact that you are a girl into nearly every thread you are involved in. That makes you no less of a fanboy.


People mistake me for a guy because of some of my avatars, so yes, I tell people I'm NOT one.




So, in other words, you still refuse to answer the question.


Wow. So only the answers YOU deem worthwhile are options. M'kay.




Nope, just on actions.


But not intentions, which is kinda of important.




Nor does your crooked opinion. Moving on...


So you think your opinion DOES matter?





cop-out artist level: master.


Lol. I'm very proud of completing that much school work in a short amount of time. Someone like you, who gets off on throwing everyone's flaws in their faces, can't possibly understand. But this just gives more back to the fact that your opinion doesn't matter.





Yeah, that tends to be the defense of those that cant back their position.


Right, because everything I've responded to you with hasn't been a moral defense.


Stop trolling.





Cognitive dissonance. Look it up. For real. There are ways to combat it.


There you go, being a hypocrite again...




As being someone that will justify lying and defend it by calling it exaggerating tells me that you have some sort of attachment to the subject, and would rather defend shady behavior than admit you may be wrong.


I make these threads out of question, not blind support.





Good lord. Just pathetic.


Well, that's the way I see it. Oh... I forgot, any view that isn't yours is "pathetic."

Cognitive Dissonance.





And yet you do not understand the fundamental disconnect in saying "they're bad, but I would be just as bad, if it meant I could take them down".


How is taking money from a big organization equal out to killing countless children overseas and starting wars just for a profit? I wouldn't do anything like that. I never implied I would be "just as bad."





Worse? No. You are the same.




Like I said, because your narrow minded opinion of me matters, and all...

Fail.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 01:03 PM
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Wow, so none of that stuff happened?
It most certainly did not. The only argument anyone has for martial law in this country is New Orleans.



Like I said, because your narrow minded opinion of me matters, and all...
Its not my opinion, its yours. If you are willing to do the same as them, to spite them, you are, in fact, the same as them.

Please go back and read my edit to my previous post. I do not wish to be dragged into this silliness anymore. If you wish to discuss on topic, thats great. Buts you have already said that you dont.


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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by grimreefer703
This is all you need to know.

alexjonesisbillhicks.com...


That's bogus and I've already disproven it.

How could he be Bill Hicks? Hicks was touring the country in the late 80's (at age 27+) when AJ and I were young school kids in Texas.


You've gotta let this one die...it's bogus!



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 05:46 PM
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Alex Jones may not be a disinformation agent. I believe he is the first wave of defence in the UNITED STATES plot. He tells you EXACTLY what they are doing and fear mongers, while providing NO SOLUTION. Not to mention he has a shop. Anyone who sells things are not to be trusted.

As I mentioned he is the first line of defence in terms of people who first start digging for the deeper issues. Much like this website. The REAL knowledge of what you NEED to know is withheld and covered up with fear mongering that leaves you feeling helpless with your hands to the sky.



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