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You know when he "transformed" from Bill Hicks to Alex Jones. Obviously I was joking.
Is it? YOU are the one that called yourself a shill. I still, to this point, havent said a single word even hinting at it. I said its pretty fishy to make a single statement that allows you to disregard a good number of posts, while still finding the time to post on the more fringe ones.
See, this is the kind of "If you step out of line, you're a shill" attitude that seems to be spreading like a plague on ATS. You implied that me "being busy" was fishy. You jumped the gun on that one. That's just ridiculous.
What tactic? Me working on school work all day, and explaining to ATS why I can't reply to everyone right away? What tactic is that?
I focus on evidence and facts, and through all the videos, links, and hate mongering, there aren't many. The closest thing to facts I've found is the ex-STRATFOR woman who signed up with Infowars a year ago.
Its been proven, 100x over, that he is unreliable at best, and a liar, more likely.
And even then, what does that prove?
Yup, and its proven, time and time again. You just choose to disregard it.
And I find it hard to believe that a media station like Infowars could draw so much attention and lack so much "Disinfo" evidence. They're under a lot of scopes.
As it has done, time and time again.
That's why I thought ATS could provide some hard evidence to Infowars' supposed dirty laundry.
And again, I ask: Is it better to be a shill or just a loud mouth fear-mongerer? Those are really the only two options with jones.
What you describe as "shrugging it off" is me seeing certain tactics of Alex objectively, and while some of them are disagreeable, none of them prove him to be a shill, and also, still nothing on the Zionist evidence too.
But the replies on this thread may as well be copy&pasted from the last thread. Almost everything here, I've seen before.
congrats on a factual statement
This may surprise you, but people who don't see things exactly the way you do aren't "fishy."
Because you choose to ignore the info presented to you.
I don't see Infowars' credibility the way you do.
Having an opinion certainly doesnt. The tactics you use most definitely are.
That's my opinion. Simple as that. It doesn't make anything "fishy."
So you're good with all the lies, untruths, disinfo and fear mongering?
The only thing on this thread that dissapoints me about Alex a bit is the whole Walmart-Youngjevity thing.
Role model? Now that explains a lot.
I never knew about that. And his behavior at the 2nd Amendment rally hits me close to home too. I don't like thinking that a role model of mine is that big of a douchebag.
And thats why the conspiracy theory community will never have credibility. So many people are willing to look past the fact that they are being played.
BUT! I'm willing to look past those things, because its not like he's my best friend. He's a media head, and I'm just testing his media credibility. NOT paying mind to his exaggerations. Just the stories.
Is it? YOU are the one that called yourself a shill. I still, to this point, havent said a single word even hinting at it. I said its pretty fishy to make a single statement that allows you to disregard a good number of posts, while still finding the time to post on the more fringe ones.
Funny, you found the time to reply to these last two posts of mine, but not the one about the ACTUAL topic.
Its STILL fishy. Calling something fishy is not the same as calling someone a shill, but I still find it interesting that you immediately jump there.
The quite obvious one that I have THRICE pointed out.
Really? So the MANY things listed on the first page or two of this thread that you have conveniently not had the time to reply to arent facts?
Its been proven, 100x over, that he is unreliable at best, and a liar, more likely.
Yup, and its proven, time and time again. You just choose to disregard it.
As it has done, time and time again.
And again, I ask: Is it better to be a shill or just a loud mouth fear-mongerer? Those are really the only two options with jones.
Maybe a 1001st thread on the topic is in order. Maybe then you will get whatever answer you are looking for.
congrats on a factual statement
Because you choose to ignore the info presented to you.
Having an opinion certainly doesnt. The tactics you use most definitely are.
So you're good with all the lies, untruths, disinfo and fear mongering?
Role model? Now that explains a lot.
And thats why the conspiracy theory community will never have credibility. So many people are willing to look past the fact that they are being played.
Its supposed to imply that you are acting in a less than honest manor. That you are not looking for true discussion on the matter.
I find it interesting that you're claiming you're not implying I'm a shill, yet you state my method of replying is "fishy." What is that supposed to imply, then?
Is it hate-mongering to point out his lies? His false predictions? His profiteering?
As I said (a number of times) I've already stated my response to your, and everyone else's, replies. My response was kind of general and directed at everyone, because a lot of the hate-mongers on this thread seem to be giving me the same feedback, none of which provided any REAL evidence.
Lol. You implied twice in this sentence that I'm acting suspiciously, yet you're not implying I'm a shill. Y'okay
Things you manifest in your head don't count. Even if it was "Thrice." ....
No, they aren't.
As I said before--and yet AGAIN--they're lists of his rantings that people blow out of whack and attempt (poorly) to use as ammunition against him, and videos capturing some slightly unfavorable character flaws. No evidence pointing to him being a disinformation agent, or of rigging Infowars to kill its ex-employees.
Then why does he keep trying, and why are you defending him in doing so?
He rants and exaggerates, most definitely. But the only thing he's mistaken with are SOME of his predictions--and if you have any kind of logic wedged into your cognitive thought processes, you'll understand that people are not meant to predict the future. We are not Gods, and we are not psychic.
I posted a nice list on page one. Its only a small snapshot of all of his lies and misinformation.
Where is it proven? I can't disregard evidence that does not exist
This is pathetic. its all on page one of this thread. The only evidence you will accept is proof that he has had someone killed.
Alright, sure. Dirty laundry, maybe. But no evidence.
No, continually telling people they will be locked up in fema camps, that G.W. Bush is going to declare martial law, that Obama is going to declare martial law, that we are being targeted with chemical warfare, that, basically, the sky is falling, for DECADES, all while you get quite rich off of selling that fear, DOES, IN FACT, make you a fear-monger.
Because some people don't know how to listen to a passionate human being without becoming overwhelmed with emotion doesn't make him a fear monger. Like I said, he's just a person. Being angry doesn't make someone a fear monger.
Lol. Or maybe I was right in believing that Alex-haters can't provide answers. Looks that way.
Direct quotes of his outright lies and misinformation....yup, no evidence at all truly, just pathetic.
The info contains no hard evidence, so... yeah. Ignored.
Wow... I graduated today. Graduating highschool and balancing your time isn't an arguing tactic.
And all the rest of the quotes?
The fact that Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart gives no back to untruths, disinfo, or fear mongering.
It makes so much more sense now.
Yeah? Oh dear... cause your opinion matters, and everything
Are you not the one here claiming that there is a conspiracy to 'get' alex jones? Yikes. cognitive dissonance. Look it up.
Everything isn't a big scary "Out to get you!" conspiracy.
Im not speaking about wal-mart. I am speaking about all of his lies.
Because Youngevity is connected to Wal-Mart, this somehow proves that Alex Jones is a fear monger and is out to get us, because he's a disinformation agent? It mean's he's "playing" everyone?
Fear-mongers are always quite good at making money.
I hate to break it to you, but in order to maintain his role, he's gotta maintain his money flow. Don't give me that "GASP! He's making money! He must just be trying to get rich off this conspiracy stuff!" crap. Anyone holding that position would need funds. It would be ignorant to suggest otherwise.
Figures. You seem the type.
And, if I had the opportunity to steal money from big business in order to aid in bringing them down, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
That in no way implies you are a shill. Though, I am STILL finding it quite interesting that you are stuck on the thought....
Is it hate-mongering to point out his lies? His false predictions? His profiteering?
You arent looking for conversation on the matter. You are looking to defend AJ (you said it yourself, he's your role model ) . Which is why you choose to disregard all of the relevant proof that he is not trustworthy.
Like I said, acting in a less than honest manner does not make you a shill. Why are you fixated on this idea that you have in your head about me thinking you are a shill? Ive never said any such thing, yet you continue to go on and on about it....
Stay in school. Thrice means three times.
Nothing is manifested out of my head. Like all of your other garbage and backtracking, it is there for all to see.
So its not a fact that all of those predictions failed? Its not a fact that he has made many false claims? it is not a fact that he makes immense amounts of money by keeping people scared? Its not a fact that he has been fear-mongering for decades now?
Seriously? What world do you live in? The only two things you keep coming back to are "disinfo agent" and "dead infowars employees". What about all of the lies? What about disinfo like everything i listed on page one?
Then why does he keep trying, and why are you defending him in doing so?
I posted a nice list on page one. Its only a small snapshot of all of his lies and misinformation.
This is pathetic. its all on page one of this thread. The only evidence you will accept is proof that he has had someone killed.
Seriously, just ridiculous.
No, continually telling people they will be locked up in fema camps, that G.W. Bush is going to declare martial law, that Obama is going to declare martial law, that we are being targeted with chemical warfare, that, basically, the sky is falling, for DECADES, all while you get quite rich off of selling that fear, DOES, IN FACT, make you a fear-monger.
page one, friend. Go back and read page one.
Direct quotes of his outright lies and misinformation....yup, no evidence at all truly, just pathetic.
Wow... I graduated today. Graduating highschool and balancing your time isn't an arguing tactic.
And all the rest of the quotes?
Are you not the one here claiming that there is a conspiracy to 'get' alex jones? Yikes. cognitive dissonance. Look it up.
Im not speaking about wal-mart. I am speaking about all of his lies.
Fear-mongers are always quite good at making money.
Figures. You seem the type.
Naw, thats what you're inferring. I laid out for you what I was implying.
You're implying that I'm acting suspicious somehow, that was my point.
Page 1.
Such as?
So, then, why make the thread? You admit you dont want an actual conversation on the matter. So whats the point?
I wasn't looking for conversation, true. But I overestimated ATS in the respect that I expected at least one person who spends their spare time digging into conspiracies to possess real evidence against AJ.
So? Sew buttons. You are willingly ignoring information, because you are biased.
Sure, I want to defend him. So?
I've said a million times now; the information posted proves nothing.
Your implication (that I'm somehow acting fishy) was clear. I really don't understand how you can't comprehend that.
Naw, but it might help.
M'kay. Its not used in regular conversation. Just because I don't use the word "thrice" doesn't mean I need to "stay in school.
yup, nothing to see here. Ignore all that info on page one, folks. Move along.
Really? Cause there's nothing here backing you. Kinda hypocritical.
You have to be kidding me. You throw enough poop against a wall, some is bound to stick.
No. Because some of his predictions succeeded, as I've posted before.
So it was just an exaggeration when he said W would declare martial law? It was just an exaggeration when he said the same about Obama? It was just an exaggeration when he said obama was going to orchestrate his own fake assassination? Was it an exaggeration when he said that there would definitely be a bank run in '09?
No, because people like you, who love to hate monger, fail to see the difference between lying and exaggerating.
"The sky is falling....now buy my stuff so I can keep telling you the sky is falling!"
No, because he has a message to send, which he uses his funds for.
No, its not, as I provided examples.
And no, because the last statement is a generalized hate claim
He doesnt have to be working WITH anyone to be non-credible.
Lol. I want things proving or strongly suggesting he's working WITH the powers that be, and against the people somehow, as many of his haters claim. The "lies" are exaggerations, and if you pay attention, some of those "lies" became truths later down the road.
See poop reference above.
The "lies" are exaggerations, and if you pay attention, some of those "lies" became truths later down the road.
If you consider being a liar and selling fear a simple character flaw, Id hate to see what you think is a real one.
Because I don't disown people for simple character flaws. I enjoy being a decent human being who has a shred of hope for fellow people.
really? thats pretty convenient. So he isnt accountable for his predictions, except when they come true?
Those predictions you posted... God, are you serious? You really think those were honest predictions? Don't you understand that he's a really sarcastic person, and often exaggerates things when he's frustrated?
Ive seen a LOT of Alex Jones. A. LOT. You can play the 'its just clips' game, but nobody is buying it.
See, people like to take little bits and pieces of his rants and use them as ammo against him like this. They don't listen to the intended message, but rather something they believe they can use as a weapon against him and his credibility, just to cause a stir.
So every failed prediction on his part was sarcasm? Another convenient shrug off.
So, if he actually DID say all these things, that means he was serious and honest, right?
Just like the guy trying to state that Alex was Bill Hicks, simply because Alex SAID he was Bill Hicks.
Which brings me all the way back to the question you refuse to answer: is it better to be a shill, or a loud mouth fear monger who throws as many theories against a wall as he can, in hopes that one sticks?
Give me something other than a list of bs predictions, then. Even if, by some odd chance, he WAS being serious about all those predictions, so what? He's not working with the powers. He's not intentionally trying to screw anyone over. You can't expect people to predict the future correctly every time. Like I said, he's not a psychic.
He made the predictions. How can you possibly say they cant be used to prove he is not credible?
I think its ridiculous that some half-qualified list of might=be predictions is expected to pass as disinfo evidence.
I look at people for what they do. Which, in the end, is what people are.
Wow. You really can't look at people like PEOPLE, can you?
I thought they were sarcasm? He is stating these things, as fact, to his audience. You can try and qualify it all you want, it doesnt matter.
Qualified exaggerations. The fact that you consider that disinfo evidence IS pathetic.
Because you really are a master cop-out artist.
How is that funny?
You seriously STILL dont get it?
So balancing my time between school work and ATS is a fishy arguing tactic, then?
Typical. I am challenging you so I must be trolling
I wanna point out the irony here, that your feelings regarding AJ seem to be clashing with my beliefs pretty damn hard. Just like your beliefs on homosexuality did. Anything challenging your beliefs sends you on this trolling spree everyone following this thread is seeing. No wonder you use the Cognitive Dissonance card so often. You must be *familiar* with it.
Nope. I didnt say a word about it.
You related the Wal-Mart thing to what you were saying.
I'm thinking this is awesome. Now, to get away with a lie, we just have to call it an exaggeration. This could be useful for a lot of people.
The *lies* were mere exaggerations that people blow out of whack.
I dont think he IS miserable and angry.
Okay. Do you think he'd be as miserable and angry as he is if he did it just to roll around in the dough?
Nice try, but you're using it wrong.
You're a hypocrite for using "Cognitive Dissonance" as ammunition in an argument when you refuse to look at other people from a psychological (and dare I say, humble) point of view.
I guess its at least admirable that you admit to being a thief and a snake who would rob if given the chance.....
Damn straight
Naw, thats what you're inferring. I laid out for you what I was implying.
So, then, why make the thread? You admit you dont want an actual conversation on the matter. So whats the point?
So? Sew buttons. You are willingly ignoring information, because you are biased.
If the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of lies, failed predictions, and fear mongering quotes dont prove anything to you, Im not sure what else to say.
I comprehend that you are paranoid about being called a shill. I just dont understand why you are so quick to go there.
Naw, but it might help.
yup, nothing to see here. Ignore all that info on page one, folks. Move along.
You have to be kidding me. You throw enough poop against a wall, some is bound to stick.
So it was just an exaggeration when he said W would declare martial law? It was just an exaggeration when he said the same about Obama? It was just an exaggeration when he said obama was going to orchestrate his own fake assassination? Was it an exaggeration when he said that there would definitely be a bank run in '09?
"The sky is falling....now buy my stuff so I can keep telling you the sky is falling!"
No, its not, as I provided examples.
He doesnt have to be working WITH anyone to be non-credible.
If you consider being a liar and selling fear a simple character flaw, Id hate to see what you think is a real one.
really? thats pretty convenient. So he isnt accountable for his predictions, except when they come true?
could you be any more of a fanboy?
Ive seen a LOT of Alex Jones. A. LOT. You can play the 'its just clips' game, but nobody is buying it.
So every failed prediction on his part was sarcasm? Another convenient shrug off.
Which brings me all the way back to the question you refuse to answer: is it better to be a shill, or a loud mouth fear monger who throws as many theories against a wall as he can, in hopes that one sticks?
He made the predictions. How can you possibly say they cant be used to prove he is not credible?
I look at people for what they do. Which, in the end, is what people are.
I thought they were sarcasm? He is stating these things, as fact, to his audience. You can try and qualify it all you want, it doesnt matter.
Because you really are a master cop-out artist.
You seriously STILL dont get it?
Typical. I am challenging you so I must be trolling
Learn about it. Perhaps youll see what I am getting at (such as saying "its not all some big conspiracy to get you" in the thread that you made about some big conspiracy out to get someone).
Nope. I didnt say a word about it.
I'm thinking this is awesome. Now, to get away with a lie, we just have to call it an exaggeration. This could be useful for a lot of people.
I dont think he IS miserable and angry.
Nice try, but you're using it wrong.
For the record, I was watching Aj while you were still in diapers. Ive seen the path he's travelled. Ive seen where he sold out. Ive watched him 'turn' for lack of a better label.
I guess its at least admirable that you admit to being a thief and a snake who would rob if given the chance.....
Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
HOW is he connected to STRATFOR? All I see is that the organization was founded around the time Alex started getting into media. I haven't found any family or friend connections, no connections whatsoever.
Its quite clear that you have some intention of getting the last word, and of dragging this conversation into a bickering match, so I will reply to the relevant points of your post, and then leave it be, so that you can get your last word in and feel good about yourself.
You will only accept evidence on two fringe theories. You will not accept any other.
No, its sounds paranoid and delusional. Are you going to try and claim that he did not present these predictions and claims, without qualification, as fact to his audience?
Look, more lies! (Or as you like to call them, exaggerations).
Oh honey, oh sweety no. I dont hate anyone. I just think its sad to see some out there that are this gullible.
So lying, and then justifying it by saying it was an 'exaggeration' is a sign of integrity? Yikes....
Yes, I know, you make it a point to throw the fact that you are a girl into nearly every thread you are involved in. That makes you no less of a fanboy.
So, in other words, you still refuse to answer the question.
Nope, just on actions.
Nor does your crooked opinion. Moving on...
cop-out artist level: master.
Yeah, that tends to be the defense of those that cant back their position.
Cognitive dissonance. Look it up. For real. There are ways to combat it.
As being someone that will justify lying and defend it by calling it exaggerating tells me that you have some sort of attachment to the subject, and would rather defend shady behavior than admit you may be wrong.
Good lord. Just pathetic.
And yet you do not understand the fundamental disconnect in saying "they're bad, but I would be just as bad, if it meant I could take them down".
Worse? No. You are the same.
It most certainly did not. The only argument anyone has for martial law in this country is New Orleans.
Wow, so none of that stuff happened?
Its not my opinion, its yours. If you are willing to do the same as them, to spite them, you are, in fact, the same as them.
Like I said, because your narrow minded opinion of me matters, and all...
Originally posted by grimreefer703
This is all you need to know.
alexjonesisbillhicks.com...