Here it is! The final ad for the 9/11 global campaign!

reply to post by Alfie1


Sure , in your little world . A jet liner hitting that building at close to or exceeding 600 miles per hour with wings weighing at least 30 tons each plus fuel weight added just bounced off the building and the window frames are not even deformed . Those heavy structural steel boxed beams were many times stronger than those frames . Even if the wings deformed and splintered on the structure of the building the forward momentum of the shattered stressed skin wings would blow through those windows with tremendous force . Now were are the engines ?

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Just for keeping it in the minds of the people... Nothing will come of it but the next gen need to be kept curious.

The world has been taken over but be the good little people go to work each day earning that money so you can better your lives...feeding the rich while condemning your children into the same slavery you have become a party too....Please Let Us Be Enlightened.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The British Intel had broken the Japanese code called Purple and discovered that Japan was about to attack us . They informed Roosevelt before the attack . Now the American people had enough of war in WW1 and did not want to go to war in Europe . Roosevelt was really worried about loosing the next election if he moved towards war . We were actually fighting in China and had pilots flying for the UK . WE were loosing Merchant Marines shipping war goods that we sold to England . We were in the war but not with troops .
I can not accept that we at Pearl Harbor would be so stupid as to line up our aircraft and ships with out ever concerning our selves with the Jap threat of attacking us . Some one did move out the 2 aircraft carriers because they were vulnerable . It appears that the Japs outsmarted us with the way they modified their torpedo's . Roosevelt did not count on that .
The Lusitania was sunk during WW1 and it drug us into the war . Sunk by a sub just off the coast of England with 160 Americans . This was a false flag . Against all reason the sailing time was posted and arrival time in England as well . When the liner was off the coat of England in sub infested waters the British destroyers pulled back . This gave a sub the chance to fire 1 torpedo and blow the ship up . A large explosion for some unknown reason and 160 Americans die an d bring us into the war .
Then remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident . We went to war immediately with Jets already armed before the incident . Well I saw an interview with Robert McNamara giggle like a child at how he and LBJ concocted that false flag event . They lied and 58,000 died on our side and hundreds of thousands on the other side .

reply to post by plube


I can not really agree with you . I believe that we are about to see it happen soon . All it would take is a world currency crash . If nobody had confidence in the dollar there would be a collapse in trade . We get every thing from overseas . There would be utter chaos and the people would accept any system offered . The Rothschild dynasty would come up with a plan that will work and people would rush to take it . It would be exactly what they wanted to start with . Brother Nathaniel has a good site . Check out the Protocols of Zion .

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by Alfie1

 

The deal went south . On the day that 911 happened we has troops in Afghanistan to help deal with the Taliban . I can not believe that you did not hear that Cheney was involved with the Saudis to get the Pipeline through . It is all over the internet . This went from before Cheney was ( president) and through his administration . Cheney tried to buy the Talibans cooperation . They said no . Then he gave them an alternative . They could take a carpet of Gold or a Carpet of Bombs . That's old news .

The obvious reasons for involvement in Afghanistan , accepted also by US allies, were the presence of OBL and the Al Qaeda leadership there. the presence of terrorist training camps there and proven links with hi-jackers.

Some truthers, desperate to suggest an alternative motivation have come up with the pipeline. However, that is weak as water. The pipeline is still on the drawing board and it is ridiculous to suggest that a method of transporting natural gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India was of such vital importance to the US Administration as to justify mass murder and war.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


You do know well how to use the geometric and mathematical expressions , but you fail to compare it with the truth.

Thousands of people got killed when US soldiers decided to take over those countries.

Many people are still scare and suffering psychological disorders.

Many people are suffering what US army used in their countries.

International corporation begin to suck the oil out of these countries

Yes you come here and compare this with a toilet or math problem.

You are either inexperienced about war or you ignore the oppression intentionally

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

You do know well how to use the geometric and mathematical expressions , but you fail to compare it with the truth.

Thousands of people got killed when US soldiers decided to take over those countries.

Many people are still scare and suffering psychological disorders.

Many people are suffering what US army used in their countries.

International corporation begin to suck the oil out of these countries

Yes you come here and compare this with a toilet or math problem.

You are either inexperienced about war or you ignore the oppression intentionally

??? so those damned fool conspiracy web sites you go to are now saying Afghanistan is an oil producing country??? I've seen them make up their own stories out of whole cloth before but this goes way beyond taking advantage of people's ignorance; it's creating ignorance in people outright.

...and what do you mean, "I ignore the oppression intentionlly?" Right now we have the IRS harassing political groups that oppose Obama. We have Eric Holder trading weapons to Mexican drug cartels and eavesdropping on citizens. It just came out in the news that a newspaper office was raided by the FBI for an article they published that documents how Obama's birth certificate is fake. Guantanamo is still a concentration camp despite five years of Obama promising his gullible minions he was goign to close it. The New York Times is coming out and saying Obama has no credibility and even the guy who wrote the Patriot act is saying Obama is going too far. That's not even including the gun control nuts becoming such control freak socialists that they're even demanding the parents of a deaf child to have his name legally changed because the sign language representation of the child's name looks like you're making a pistol with your hand. As Julian Assange of Wikileaks said, it's absurd for the 9/11 conspiracy pundits to be rooting through garbage cans and looking under rocks chasing after these conspiracy ghosts when we have all these real conspiracies going on...and you say *I* am the one intentionally ignoring the oppression?

For you to be accusing me of ignoring the oppression intentionally is just plain outrageous. It only hurts your credibility here, not mine.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I can not accept that we at Pearl Harbor would be so stupid as to line up our aircraft and ships with out ever concerning our selves with the Jap threat of attacking us . Some one did move out the 2 aircraft carriers because they were vulnerable . It appears that the Japs outsmarted us with the way they modified their torpedo's . Roosevelt did not count on that .

The Lusitania was sunk during WW1 and it drug us into the war . Sunk by a sub just off the coast of England with 160 Americans . This was a false flag . Against all reason the sailing time was posted and arrival time in England as well . When the liner was off the coat of England in sub infested waters the British destroyers pulled back . This gave a sub the chance to fire 1 torpedo and blow the ship up . A large explosion for some unknown reason and 160 Americans die an d bring us into the war .

Then remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident . We went to war immediately with Jets already armed before the incident . Well I saw an interview with Robert McNamara giggle like a child at how he and LBJ concocted that false flag event . They lied and 58,000 died on our side and hundreds of thousands on the other side .

A) The major threat the personnel at Pearl HArbor thought they faced was by sabotage from Japanese fifth columninsts so they lined the planes up in a central location to better protect them. Plus the carriers were sent out to deliver planes to Wake Island and Midway, not "becuase they were more vulnrable.".

B) Claiming the Lusitania sinking was a false flag is absurd. The captain of the German Uboat U20 fully documented he was the one who sank the Lusitania, and it was really the Zimmerman telegram that influenced the decision to declare war against Germany the most.

C) The gulf of Tonkin issue is a red herring. North Vietnam was actively fighting to conquor the south and unite it under its own communist banner and the US was chomping at the bit to get involved and employ its containment strategy, so if it wasn't the gulf of tonkin that would have drawn the US in, it would only have been somethign else.

Most of these are really trivial differneces. What concerns me is when you inflate trivial differences beyond their actual level of importance to use them for a 9/11 conspiracy agenda these events have absolutely nothign to do with. I defy you to provide the name of even one politician involved in the decision to declare war against Germany in 1917 who was still alive to participate in any 9/11 conspiracy and/or coverup.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


The Lusitania sinking was permitted by the Brits when they purposely pulled back . The sailing dates and destination were posted instead of being kept secret . This was on the Military channel .
As for the two carriers you have come up with an answer that all these years nobody could answer . Why the two carriers were out of harbor . Nobody knew where they were or why for 60 years . Now you have the answer . The Admirals didn't know that the Japs could use air dropped torpedo's in the shallow harbor . The Japs were already killing Chinese and taking over in the Mideast . Still how could we be so stupid to ignore all intelligence from Britain and our Radar . Could our military be so stupid ? I don't think so . And the Israelis did warn us of such a terrorist plot as happened on 911 . How could we be so stupid again ? And then Cheney runs the exercise that mimics the actual events of 911 . How stupid would that be ?

reply to post by Alfie1


Sir you are miss informed ,. Cheney was working for the Saudis to broker that pipeline through and the Taliban did not want the prosperity to the area that would break their hold on the area . When Cheney got to act as if he were president he threatened the Taliban with Carpet Bombing if they did not permit the Pipeline . That is not hard to check out . Those items were well known .
All of what we have gone through in 911 has served another purpose . That is to take away your personal privacy and your rights . HLS is doing that on a large scale . All is not as it seems or should be .

Originally posted by SimonPeter
The Lusitania sinking was permitted by the Brits when they purposely pulled back

As they were not escorting it how could they have pulled back?

Nobody knew where they were or why for 60 years

What are you babbling about now? It was known exactly where they were and what they were doing since the attack

Enterprise and Lexington were both stationed in the Pacific and were ferrying a fighter squadrons to Wake Island and Midway

You really should not make up crap like this, what actually happened is very well known.

reply to post by hellobruce


The Military Channel did a story on the Lusitania . The trip through the ocean to Britain was not escorted . But the destination was well known . The British destroyers were stationed off of Britain where the inbound ships must pass on the way to harbor . The subs stayed clear of the destroyers and out of the passage way . But the destroyer retreated and the sub moved in . Now the passenger liner was not supposed to be carrying arms , but spies in the departure harbor would have known and relayed that . The loss of the American people led to the USA joining the Brits in the war . The destroyers retreated . they should have known the ship was due . Why did they retreat ?

As for the two Carriers . In every documentary I have seen about Pearl Harbor the two carriers were never said to be on the way to Wake Island . They also are usually escorted by a carrier group that protects them . Did they have that group with them . Or is that a cover up ?

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I learn what I learn , first hand from Iran.

Iraq is the richest oil resource on the planet , and Afghanistan is one of the countries with rich mines.

+ I used to loo at conspiracy websites , but I don't refer to for years.

The only website is ATS and I like to ignore many conspiracies.

But 9/11 is not a conspiracy which is just about people being manipulated.

Many innocent people killed with incomparable number on both sides.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by mideast

 

You missed the whole point of the thread.

I have nothing to prove, do not ask me to predict how other individuals will react.

Even if you could and wanted to prove anything you would probably get banned in the process. I and many others have tried and tried with all kinds of REAL INFORMATION and we just cannot get through. Some people do not want enlightment, they prefer their indoctrinated darkness. Its like smoking 2 packs of cigarretes and trying to stop in one week, not possible.

Best of luck and keep at it my friend. I would only ask that you and others with a similar mindset aid the truth movement by following up on any thread started rather than just leaving it alone. I have considered starting threads many times but since I know they ALWAYS get derailed by the same people that flamebait and get away with it, there is hardely any point in doing so.

To this day I cannot comprehend why the owners would start an alernative/conspiracy site if they do not care in aiding the truth movement. I also cannot comprehend why 250 people flag this thread and only about a dozen folks care to be heard. Are they afraid to voice their opinions or what? The truth movement should not fall on the shoulders of such limited folks.

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Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

The Lusitania sinking was permitted by the Brits when they purposely pulled back . The sailing dates and destination were posted instead of being kept secret . This was on the Military channel .
As for the two carriers you have come up with an answer that all these years nobody could answer . Why the two carriers were out of harbor . Nobody knew where they were or why for 60 years . Now you have the answer .

If "nobody knew where they were or why for 60 years" then how it is that I found the answer in a fifteen second Google search? Methinks you're just blindly quoting some spooky scary sounding drivel you got off some damned fool conspiracy web site without bothering to look it up to see if it's even actually true. Hence, the reason why I call them "damned fool conspiracy websites".

FYI the Lusitania was a civilian passenger liner of the Cunard line. Of COURSE they are going to post travel schedules for travellers to know when the ship leaves and where it's going. Why does that really need to be pointed out?

The Admirals didn't know that the Japs could use air dropped torpedo's in the shallow harbor . The Japs were already killing Chinese and taking over in the Mideast . Still how could we be so stupid to ignore all intelligence from Britain and our Radar . Could our military be so stupid ? I don't think so .

You're right, they aren't stupid. It's really the case you're being suckered by those damned fool conspiracy web sites and most of what you're concerned about isn't even remotely true. Case in point- Did anyone tell you anything about the wooden fins the Japanese put on their torpedoes specifically so they could run in shallow water?

Not that it matters, because in the end they only reason why you're even bringing up all this world war two stuff is because you're using it to drop innuendo on the 9/11 attack, because innuendo is really the only "proof" you have of any actual impropriety behind the 9/11 attack. You can't get the evidence to back up the scenario you want to believe so instead of changing the scenario you change the evidence.

Seriously, dude, name ONE politician or military leader in charge during WWII who was still in charge during 9/11. Just one.

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

I learn what I learn , first hand from Iran.

What do you mean? Despite all the spooky scary gloom and doom predictions that lunatic Alex Jones prophesized, there was never any US invasion of Iran.

Iraq is the richest oil resource on the planet , and Afghanistan is one of the countries with rich mines.

You do know we pulled all combat troops out of Iraq and they're an autonomous government now, right?

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by hellobruce

 

As for the two Carriers . In every documentary I have seen about Pearl Harbor the two carriers were never said to be on the way to Wake Island . They also are usually escorted by a carrier group that protects them . Did they have that group with them . Or is that a cover up ?

So your entire range of knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack is from what you learned from the one or two documentaties you happned to watch on television? You never read any books or even did a single internet search on the subject on your own? Not even Wikipedia? Doesn't it seem rather odd that you're making accusations of conspiracies and coverups when you're openly admitting you've done little to no actual research to even be making any such accusations?

This has absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attack but here's a link to the Navy's military history web site. It says the Enterprise was escorted by three heavy cruisers and nine destroyers to deliver fighters to Wake island, and that Lexington was escorted by three cruisers and five destroyers to deliver bombers to Midway. Saratoga, Yorktown, Ranger, and Wasp were stationed elsewhere and weren't deployed to Pearl Harbor until after the attack.

Carriers locations durign the Pearl Harbor attack

I've said it before and it bears repeating; if the conspiracy theorists would only hold their own conspiracy theories up the the same level of critical analysis they do the standard accounts, they wouldn't be conspiracy theorists for very long.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
To this day I cannot comprehend why the owners would start an alernative/conspiracy site if they do not care in aiding the truth movement. I also cannot comprehend why 250 people flag this thread and only about a dozen folks care to be heard. Are they afraid to voice their opinions or what? The truth movement should not fall on the shoulders of such limited folks.

This touches on the actual reason why I like ATS. As long as you're civil you are free to discuss any conspiracy theory you like here...and on occasion, you don't need to discuss conspiracy theories at all; simply log in and say "hello" when you're feeling lonely. This contrasts most mainstream discussion forums where posts from conspiracy theorists are pulled for being crackpot, as well as true conspiracy web sites where they ban every poster who doesn't behave as cheerleaders for their own in-house conspiracies they're pushing. I've been on discussion forums where there literally was no rhyme or reason for what got banned and what wasn't one way or the other.

The rule of the day is DENY IGNORANCE, and the way to deny ignorance is to allow both sides to have their say out in the open so we can see which side has the better credibility. If you are having a difficult time proving your conspiracy theories here, in an open forum that truly has no censorship or bias, then it necessarily means you're doing a poor job of it...or to be more precise, the conspiracy theories you're promoting have little evidence to give them credibility no matter how much you try to back them up.

reply to post by GoodOlDave

You do know we pulled all combat troops out of Iraq and they're an autonomous government now, right?

Yes

1600 people in IRaq embassy

US govt doesn't need troops in Iraq to get it's job done.

1600 spies who can provide an army each one.

And the international corporations which can pump the oil out even if US army is not there.

Iraq is like bitten by snake that is paralyzing Iraq from inside.

Iraq is divided into tow states now.

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

You do know we pulled all combat troops out of Iraq and they're an autonomous government now, right?

Yes

1600 people in IRaq embassy

US govt doesn't need troops in Iraq to get it's job done.

1600 spies who can provide an army each one.

And the international corporations which can pump the oil out even if US army is not there.

Iraq is like bitten by snake that is paralyzing Iraq from inside.

Iraq is divided into tow states now.

That has nothing to do with the US and you know it. That has to do with the screwed up sociopolitical idology that plagued the mideast since the middle ages. Sunnis hates the Kurds who hated the Shiites who hated the Hindus who hate the Sunnis back. Tribe A are sworn enemies with tribe B because of some grievous insult they committed five hundred years ago and tribe B in turn hates tribe C for reasons noone can even remember, and in the middle of this there's a bunch of religious nutball Islamic fundamentalists fantasizing they're fighting for Saladin who want to bring the whole mideast back a thousand years. That doesn't even count the incredibly corrups sheiks who have been swindling the peasantry as bad as the mafia. Now that Saddam Hussein and his conveyor belt to the killing fields keeping all this in check has been dismantled all the petty blood feuds that's always been there is coming back out of the closet.

People are always disgusted when I say this, but I have yet to find anyone who can point out that it's wrong- We ARE winning the war on terror. Muslims were chopping each other's heads off over incredibly petty [censored] long before the US ever even existed, and it has only been a recent development that someone decided to take a break from killing each other and have a hand at killing Americans instead. Now that Bin Laden is dead and his minions are scurrying around from place to place hiding from predator drones we've successfully steered the Muslims away from killing Americans and back to killing each other over incredibly petty [censored] again. If those idiots absolutely insist on pleasing god by strapping bombs on their chest and blowing themselves up in a crowded marketplace then I'd rather have them do it over there than over here. It's going to happen regardless of what anyone says or does, so the only thing we can rationally change is where it happens.

Don't blame the US for this situation. Blame the idiots who think it pleases god to strap a bomb on their chest and blow themselves up in a crowded market place. If it wasn't for those ignorant pieces of [censored] everyone would be sipping tea in a street cafe discussing the latest sports scores.