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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by waypastvne
 


I am talking about the Pentagon . The window frames in the picture provided are basically undamaged . Your reply was lame



Google pentagon blast resistant windows


www.azom.com...




posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by qmantoo
reply to post by Alfie1
 


Everyone is not taking into account the fact that buildings can be demolished by sound as tesla found out. There is a story about him destroying one of his 'toys' which was attached to a support pillar. It was a vibrational device which made the whole building and neighbourhood vibrate in sympathy with the core resonance of the structures. He had to destroy it with a sledge hammer because it would have destroyed the building if he had not destroyed the device.

The buildings did not have to be wired up days or weeks beforehand if this technology is available and used by some authorities, and we all know that they got to confiscate his diaries. In the years between then and now, they have had ample opportunity to perfect this technology for military purposes.

It is a perfect answer to how all the buildings came down. I know some people blame a thermo-nuclear charge but that requires organisation and time to set up.


The point I was trying to make is that if WTC 7 was deliberately destroyed, by any method, it had to be planned.

The perps, allegedly, went to enormous trouble to disguise demolition of the Towers by having large planes hit them and then have them collapse from the impact points. The perps must obviously have been aware of the necessity to conceal and that to fail to do so would likely lead to firing squads, lethal injections etc.

But what did the perps do to conceal the deliberate destruction of WTC 7 ? Apparently nothing. People keep saying the damage caused by falling debris was insufficient. The fires started were insufficient etc. But hang on a minute, those things only happened by chance anyway. It would have been suicidal for the planners to assume that WTC 7 would be damaged, that fires would be started, that the sprinkler systems would be knocked out.

So, if WTC was destroyed on purpose what was the plan ? Just to destroy it as it stood after taking so much trouble to disguise the Towers ?

Some conspiracy theorists are obviously aware of this weakness in the theory of deliberate destruction of WTC 7 and suggest that UA 93 which crashed near Shanksville was intended as the cover like the Towers. However, this idea is not supported by any facts. On the contrary UA 93 was on a steady course for Washington from the time it turned around after the hi-jacking until it went erratic at the time of the passenger revolt. Not only that but those on the flight deck dialled up the navigational aid for Reagan National Airport to help them get there.

Finally, anyone still clinging to the UA 93 theory needs to look at the WTC site as was, the relative heights of buildings, and consider how practical it would have been to hit WTC 7 with a large plane while the Towers stood.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 



Plane or no plane, the question remains, considering the mountains of evidence pointing in that direction, was it intentional and perpetrated in collusion with parties from within the US who might have had a much larger agenda and more to gain than Al Qaeda?

Who made enormous profits off these wars?

George Bush is in oil. The first thing he did was seize oil interests there and sack the Iraq Museum. Rumsfeld had interests in among other questionable industry, RAPISCAN that sold Xray scanners that suddenly became REQUIRED in every airport. Cheney's is a defense contractor himself. Halliburton is a military industrial firm in defense equipment and also handled much of the subcontracting in Iraq (remember the soldiers killed in showers from shoddy electrical work?) He also had connections to Blackwater -the shamed independent security services sent to guard diplomats, taking these jobs from soldiers and costing unnecessary amounts of money to taxpayers footing the bill. Add the Patriot Act and removal of citizens Constitutional protections and everything that was stored in Building 7 and you have to do some reasonable deductions. 9/11 was a false flag attack.


But there exists no direct evidence of their involvement, and plenty of circumstantial material that suggests they were not involved. That's where your theory falls down. You have motive, but nothing more.

Put it this way. They are/were clearly a bunch of gluttonous money-grabbing rogues, and they did everything possible with the situation to enrich themselves. But did they cause it? Highly unlikely.

There are companies and individuals who benefit from nearly every bad situation. Some time ago I bought shares in a company that supplies emergency power to disaster areas - for example Fukushima and surrounds, and I suspect Oklahoma now. Did I or the company blow up the nuclear plant or cause the tornado? No.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 05:25 AM
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Okay, you've clearly made your mind up and won't be swayed. You may note that your brand of 'thinking outside the box' is shared by a vanishingly small number of people on the internet, and that my conviction that a plane hit the Pentagon is accepted de facto as truth.

I'm sure you can convince yourself that this os because the vast, vast majority of people aren't as clever or openminded as you. But I assure you that this isn't the case.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by DeeKlassified
***BREAKING NEWS***

Black box manufacturers have decided to make black boxes out of the same material that the 'hijackers' passports are made of, so if another 9/11 situation occurs, the black boxes will be found intact.


Have you looked at any other plane crashes? It's quite common for paper items and other relatively fragile material to survive. How do you explain that?



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid
Did you know America only allows Jews to have a dual nationality,


What is the US law that states that? Just how does the USA stop anyone having dual nationality?

So if you have triplets, one a Jew one a Pastafarian one a Christian....
only the Jewish one can have dual nationality....
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If a Mexican wishes to live in the US and retain his Mexican passport for instance he has to choose sovereignty over one or the other and not have both if he wants to have US citizenship.

The ONLY people who have both are Israeli's.

Here is a list of the powerful DUAL NATIONALITY Israeli's in your positions of power.

Kenneth Adelman
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his racism or ignorance, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Vice President Dick Cheney's ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband's revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.

Robert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iran.

Ari Fleischer
Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

James Schlesinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.

Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.

John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.

Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Ken Melman
White House Political Director.

Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling.

Full List here -
Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director – Ken Melman
National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter – David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis


SCARY STUFF HUH?

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by DigitalKid
If a Mexican wishes to live in the US and retain his Mexican passport for instance he has to choose sovereignty over one or the other and not have both if he wants to have US citizenship.

The ONLY people who have both are Israeli's.


Once again, what US law states that....?

So it was not just Jews like you claimed, now it is Israeli's as well!

The US State Department disagrees with you, but what do they know!
travel.state.gov...


A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.

and

.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.


How about showing some proof all those people you named are dual citizens....
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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid
If a Mexican wishes to live in the US and retain his Mexican passport for instance he has to choose sovereignty over one or the other and not have both if he wants to have US citizenship.

The ONLY people who have both are Israeli's.


Once again, what US law states that....?

So it was not just Jews like you claimed, now it is Israeli's as well!

The US State Department disagrees with you, but what do they know!
travel.state.gov...


A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.

and

.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.


How about showing some proof all those people you named are dual citizens....
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Basically, dual citizenship is only considered acceptable by the US government if it is the result of birth in a foreign country or marriage to a citizen of a foreign country. If US citizen applies for citizenship elsewhere, he or she must forfeit his or her American citizenship, and vice versa.

From the US State Department (referred to as Dual Nationality):


The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

travel.state.gov...

If you are a foreigner moving to the States and wish to claim sovereignty you need to give up your old one, as it can in positions of power obviously lead to Espionage and the stuff we are seeing today.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid
If a Mexican wishes to live in the US and retain his Mexican passport for instance he has to choose sovereignty over one or the other and not have both if he wants to have US citizenship.

The ONLY people who have both are Israeli's.


Once again, what US law states that....?

So it was not just Jews like you claimed, now it is Israeli's as well!

The US State Department disagrees with you, but what do they know!
travel.state.gov...


A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.

and

.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.


How about showing some proof all those people you named are dual citizens....
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There is a great 2 hour documentary I would highly recommend to you if you are interested?

Missing Links for 9/11

Please have a look at that.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by DigitalKid


So you are admitting that your claim only Jews and Israeli's can have dual citizenship is just something you made up to attack them both......

and still no proof that they are dual citizens.....

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid


So you are admitting that your claim only Jews and Israeli's can have dual citizenship is just something you made up to attack them both......

and still no proof that they are dual citizens.....

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Did you even read it?

It says if you move to the US and apply for citizenship there, UNLESS you are born or married in you have to give up one or the other.

Are you ignoring that?



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid


So you are admitting that your claim only Jews and Israeli's can have dual citizenship is just something you made up to attack them both......

and still no proof that they are dual citizens.....

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Watch the Documentary.

Then we can talk again.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by DigitalKid
Did you even read it?


I posted the link to it, you just reposted it!

Did you read it? Where does it say Jews and Israeli's are the only people allowed to be dual citizens?


It says if you move to the US and apply for citizenship there, UNLESS you are born or married in you have to give up one or the other.


I see you never even read it - as you missed this bit


or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth


So they can be dual citizens.... and it doesn't say what you state it does.

Still waiting for proof that all the people you mentioned are dual citizens....



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DigitalKid
Did you even read it?


I posted the link to it, you just reposted it!

Did you read it? Where does it say Jews and Israeli's are the only people allowed to be dual citizens?


It says if you move to the US and apply for citizenship there, UNLESS you are born or married in you have to give up one or the other.


I see you never even read it - as you missed this bit


or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth


So they can be dual citizens.... and it doesn't say what you state it does.

Still waiting for proof that all the people you mentioned are dual citizens....


Are you being serious?

Do you honestly believe they would put in there own laws that Jews are the only people allowed?

You expect to see that in black and white on the government website? ha ha. Nice work.

An ordinary citizen it doesn't matter so much but if you have a job that puts you in a position of power and you have loyalty to two countries do that not set off massive alarm bells to you?

It certainly would to me, if you have dual citizenship and if you vote in the other country ie not the US, you get challenged and lose your US rights, this has happened.

Do a little research.
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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by DigitalKid
Are you being serious?
Do you honestly believe they would put in there own laws that Jews are the only people allowed?


That is YOUR claim!!!!! Or did you forget that you made it?


Did you know America only allows Jews to have a dual nationality,


That is what you claimed, then you posted

The ONLY people who have both are Israeli's.


So you are wrong on both accounts -

Remember how you posted

or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.
From the US State Departments website?

YOU ACTUALLY POSTED A LINK THAT SHOWS THAT YOU WERE WRONG IN YOUR CLAIM ABOUT DUAL CITIZENSHIP!

Still waiting for proof that the names you posted are dual citizens....



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:18 AM
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Our Bruce here, has quite the comprehension problem.


Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by DeeKlassified
He clearly says "we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

In this video Mr. Byrd said the DOD cannot account for 2.3 trillion dollars in one year!


Once again, exactly where did he say the money was missing? What is so hard about showing us where he stated the money was missing?

It looks like the claim he said the money was missing is just another false statement made by "truthers"!


I am guessing you are not listening to the video and not reading the transcript and you missed the part where I posted the entire context of the sentence along with the transcript. That's the written form of the speech since you are having a tough time with the videos. So, sorry. No way to help you out. Maybe he didn't say it. I think I could have been wrong. Nothing for you to worry your head about. Maybe a nice lie down will soothe those jangled nerves. Seriously- tired of talking to a rock.
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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by DigitalKid


Are you being serious?

Do you honestly believe they would put in there own laws that Jews are the only people allowed?

You expect to see that in black and white on the government website? ha ha. Nice work.

An ordinary citizen it doesn't matter so much but if you have a job that puts you in a position of power and you have loyalty to two countries do that not set off massive alarm bells to you?

It certainly would to me, if you have dual citizenship and if you vote in the other country ie not the US, you get challenged and lose your US rights, this has happened.

Do a little research.
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Dude, you actually cited the source as backing up your point that you can't hold dual ctzenship with a US passport unless you're "jewish".

Now that it's pointed out the source doesn't say that, we're supposed to believe you just because, hey, that's the way you would do it and "it has happened".

Weak stuff.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by ChesterJohn
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Newcovenant, you need to quit watching so may movies and go fishing for a few days.


Yeah...that is how they get people to accept atrocities. Tell them to go fishing. Or maybe watch Dancing with the Stars. Just go along to get along, right? I guess that's the way they force feed babies their pablum. I hate pablum.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 



Plane or no plane, the question remains, considering the mountains of evidence pointing in that direction, was it intentional and perpetrated in collusion with parties from within the US who might have had a much larger agenda and more to gain than Al Qaeda?

Who made enormous profits off these wars?

George Bush is in oil. The first thing he did was seize oil interests there and sack the Iraq Museum. Rumsfeld had interests in among other questionable industry, RAPISCAN that sold Xray scanners that suddenly became REQUIRED in every airport. Cheney's is a defense contractor himself. Halliburton is a military industrial firm in defense equipment and also handled much of the subcontracting in Iraq (remember the soldiers killed in showers from shoddy electrical work?) He also had connections to Blackwater -the shamed independent security services sent to guard diplomats, taking these jobs from soldiers and costing unnecessary amounts of money to taxpayers footing the bill. Add the Patriot Act and removal of citizens Constitutional protections and everything that was stored in Building 7 and you have to do some reasonable deductions. 9/11 was a false flag attack.


But there exists no direct evidence of their involvement, and plenty of circumstantial material that suggests they were not involved. That's where your theory falls down. You have motive, but nothing more.

Put it this way. They are/were clearly a bunch of gluttonous money-grabbing rogues, and they did everything possible with the situation to enrich themselves. But did they cause it? Highly unlikely.

There are companies and individuals who benefit from nearly every bad situation. Some time ago I bought shares in a company that supplies emergency power to disaster areas - for example Fukushima and surrounds, and I suspect Oklahoma now. Did I or the company blow up the nuclear plant or cause the tornado? No.





Highly unlikely.



That there is even room for doubt in YOUR mind says this case needs to be open investigated. None of us can expose the truth when the case is closed and people's minds are too.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant


That there is even room for doubt in YOUR mind says this case needs to be open investigated. None of us can expose the truth when the case is closed and people's minds are too.


I'm not necessarily against a new investigation into aspects of 9/11 (although I have to admit I'm unaware whether there are any currently running). For example, I would like to see a detailed examination of how rogues like Cheney were allowed to make political decisions that were so beneficial to them financially. I'm also interested in the security failures and how inter-agency rivalry and terrible intel allowed the attacks to occur.

But a lot of this has already been covered. It's just that Truthers don't care about it and ignore it. What they want is a 'discussion' of thermite, demolition, radio controlled planes and other such tripe. And I'm not remotely interested in that.



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