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Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio prove Obama's birth certificate, social security number, and selective se

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posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by flyswatter

Originally posted by CornShucker
My main point is that there has been something truly odd with virtually every single item of info that has been put out there about the guy. The "that's all just third hand at best" argument is a straw man. The ONLY thing we can go by is what we've been given.


I'll gladly meet you half-way on that one.


It's just frustrating to see how much the waters have been muddied. I, too, can't really wrap my head around what it would take for a full-blown conspiracy. It does seem, though, that someone has gone to an awful lot of effort to make what should be an easy thing as convoluted and suspicious looking as possible.

It is the anomalies that draw my attention. As a long time geek, I can't help but be interested. Anyone thinking there will be something unusual happen is going to be disappointed.

Been an enjoyable back & forth. Far as I'm concerned, no hard feelings here.




posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 10:08 AM
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Actually I think the entire birther issue was concocted as a red herring to obscure the obvious.

The man is a Socialist/fascist/communist plant, whichever of the ISM's you want to call him, but I even have my doubts he is really Obama/Barry Sorento.

I think he is a totally different person, a look alike subversive, or either he was groomed as a communist plant for the whitehouse to destroy democracy in America from the inside.

Well birther has its issues which he is getting around. Proven communist in the whitehouse trying to dismantle America from the inside is an entirely different story and if that had come out in full he never would have won/stolen the 2nd term.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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I don't agree 100% with what you're saying here, but to the extent there is something hidden in all this? I think you're a whole lot closer than most on the speculation to what it would be. I absolutely DO think there is something on the original document, in archives, that is hidden. McCain was asked for his and his status was questioned. It was handled and so quickly, it was barely noticed for the short investigation in the Senate. Hubert Humphrey had to prove his bonafides and again, did so without contest.

Even a 5 Star General, Eisenhower, had to prove he was a legal 'Natural Born Citizen' because of his status of birth in a Territory vs. a State and paperwork issues on finding the originals to establish it. Again, handled without much fuss and a historic footnote.

So it does beg the question..why the games and the big deal on this one? Well, first, I think the tendency is to lie when the truth might actually serve them better. Lying seems to have become so automatic with some, it's the first impulse.

Second though? I have no question he's a legit U.S. Citizen by birth after Arizona demanded official certification to that fact in 2012 and received it to their satisfaction. Was the Kenyan actually his Father though? It changes nothing in legal status for Obama to serve ..and that's the point. It would be worth hiding though, if Daddy wasn't the sort the American Public would understand or see as a positive influence.


Who knows for sure though right? As others have noted, the actual archived copy hasn't been seen by any outside, impartial parties to say what may not be legally questionable but very interesting to see.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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I have something which, if a person actually stops foaming at the mouth and considers will crush this witchhunt once and for all.

Have any of you EVER had to get a security clearance?

I'm sure there are some who had to get at least a SECRET?

Well I had to apply for (I forgot the level) one when I was interviewing to work communications in the White House. Let me tell you...they dug up EVERYTHING! And this was just for my lowly position!

Now imagine positions where you have actual access to State security risks?

Imagine the investigation for someone becoming PRESIDENT?

EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING you birthers are wondering about I can assure you the proper agency is aware of! They know if he's gay, if he's a Kenyan, if he's a Marxist. They know EVERY THING there is to know about Obama!!!!!

They have people a lot smarter than most here who combed through his file. They sent people to talk to people he came in contact with in Indonesia. If he's gay they've talked to his gay lovers
.

You people are making yourselves look really ignorant by carrying on about this!



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by fishy6
Actually I think the entire birther issue was concocted as a red herring to obscure the obvious.

The man is a Socialist/fascist/communist plant, whichever of the ISM's you want to call him, but I even have my doubts he is really Obama/Barry Sorento.

I think he is a totally different person, a look alike subversive, or either he was groomed as a communist plant for the whitehouse to destroy democracy in America from the inside.

Well birther has its issues which he is getting around. Proven communist in the whitehouse trying to dismantle America from the inside is an entirely different story and if that had come out in full he never would have won/stolen the 2nd term.

Here is what commies don"t do
Protect banksters,
Allow corporations to wright laws
Instead of pushing for a non-profit, single-payer, he called up the insurance industry and asked them to write a bill
He chose the profits of Monsanto over the health of the U.S public..he just signed a bill doing that.
The banks continued to foreclose on taxpayers homes. While the president did everything to protect the financial capitalist's interest, he did nothing to help the working class who has been losing their homes.
He is a Millionaire.. with he interests of a millionaire are not the same as those of the average working class American.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by PMNOrlando
reply to post by flyswatter
 


I know, I know, your're proud you voted for him and his staff. You'd do it again. You happy with the direction the country is headed in and can't wait until Monsanto has their hand in all U.S. crops.

Plain and simple is that I'm not happy with any of it. I'm old enough to remember this country when it was so much greater than it is now. It's a shame you and others on here may never see it any better than it is now.




The country was better than it currently is now because we unabatedly took advantage of every other country. Those countries are no longer willing to play fool for us.

It has nothing to do with Obama, it has to do with other countries are catching up.

Are you advocating we knock the other countries down again?



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 11:25 AM
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Birthers...such idiots..have they ever brought anything to the table they haven't lied about, twisted a story about or actually anything of value.

Why does ATS not place these threads in the hoax bin. Everything a birther brings is a lie, hoax or twisting facts around to make Obama look illegal.


SPRINGER....WHY ARE THESE THREADS

NEVER PLACED IN THE HOAX

BIN????????

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posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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good question, MODS, it would put this to bed once and for all, and the birthers would not be able to keep spreading their lies. How about an answer, mods.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Have any of you EVER had to get a security clearance?



Have you ever had to give a security clearance?

There are two sets of people, "us" and "them".

The "them" need to get security clearance to work for the "us".

But, the "us" never need security clearance, nobody asks them, because they are paying.

You need security clearance to work for Obama. But, who are you working for? Were you personally provided security info on Obama? Never!You simply "assume" that because you had to get security clearance, that everybody must have to get security clearance. But, if you follow the logic, and go up the chain of command, at some point, you must reach someone who didn't get any security clearance, since he is the one clearing everybody down the line, and "giving" the clearance. Now this is more likely to be a team of special people, rather than a single individual. Call them the "inner government". And this team decides who to clear and why. But, nobody clears them. This is the role of secret societies. Why do you need a secret society, anyway? Who decides what must be kept secret, and what is in the "National Security" interest? Who clears the guy who stamps "Above Top Secret" on a document, and files it away? How does one get clearance to work "Above Top Secret", anyway? Who cleared those guys who give clearance for that?

The great secret of the whole world is this, that he who pays the bills is always Above Top Secret. And whoever applies to work for him, must be cleared by him. He employs teams of people to ask the questions, investigate the backgrounds, and give the clearance. But, nobody dares ask the boss for his clearance.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricFeel
Im not from the states but I dont think they still care if obama is a "real" american...
And what if he isn't one? You expect a 'hey obama, you arent a american... sorry you are fired'-scenario?


If it's true, then several Federal Laws have been broken and felonies have occurred. That means significant incarceration. So yes, that is exactly what would happen. He'd be fired.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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they can beat this dead horse all they want it doesn't matter

they don't have the money or the power to do anything



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Birthers...such idiots..have they ever brought anything to the table they haven't lied about, twisted a story about or actually anything of value.

Why does ATS not place these threads in the hoax bin. Everything a birther brings is a lie, hoax or twisting facts around to make Obama look illegal.


Lies can be contested, and proven false, with truths.

But, once you start suppressing the voices, you raise suspicions that perhaps there was some truth that could not be contested because it was in fact true.

So, let the Birthers give birth to their birthings, and let the debunkers debunk the bunk.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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reply to post by KingErik
 


Understand what you are saying..but spreading the same lies over and over should result it some type of consequence from ATS.

ATS has placed threads in the hoax bin with less evidence proving it was false...everything the birthers say can be disputed with facts and by experts....at least put the threads where they belong...HOAX BIN.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I have something which, if a person actually stops foaming at the mouth and considers will crush this witchhunt once and for all.

Have any of you EVER had to get a security clearance?

I'm sure there are some who had to get at least a SECRET?

Well I had to apply for (I forgot the level) one when I was interviewing to work communications in the White House. Let me tell you...they dug up EVERYTHING! And this was just for my lowly position!

Now imagine positions where you have actual access to State security risks?

Imagine the investigation for someone becoming PRESIDENT?

EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING you birthers are wondering about I can assure you the proper agency is aware of! They know if he's gay, if he's a Kenyan, if he's a Marxist. They know EVERY THING there is to know about Obama!!!!!

They have people a lot smarter than most here who combed through his file. They sent people to talk to people he came in contact with in Indonesia. If he's gay they've talked to his gay lovers
.

You people are making yourselves look really ignorant by carrying on about this!


I have to maintain a DoD Secret clearance with an active SSBI for my current employment. Filling out the eQip is no fun at all. Just so ... much ... to ... fill ... in. Ugh. But on the plus side, I only have to fill it out every 5 years right now.

For a typical DoD Secret clearance, the process, background check, credit check, etc ... its not terribly bad. Just a lot of paperwork. When you get to the point of having to get an SSBI done, that is when they really dig a bit. They did a 90 minute-ish interview with me, then spoke with neighbors, friends, family, and teachers. Funny thing is that my Secret clearance took twice as long as the SSBI to finish up.
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posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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But, once you start suppressing the voices, you raise suspicions that perhaps there was some truth that could not be contested because it was in fact true.

So, let the Birthers give birth to their birthings, and let the debunkers debunk the bunk.


I agree completely there and I'll add a bit to that if you don't mind. I think the fact the White House has taken the approach of ridicule, dismissal and suppression by simply refusing to address it, is precisely what has given this thing legs that never get tired.

They released the majority of what people are demanding ..and still don't realize IS out in the public domain (in many cases) in 2010. They released it without much fanfare I assume, since even I missed that entirely and it wasn't until last year in my research that I found all of it. Much from FOIA requests.

If Obama and his people put all that FOIA material on the White House site or another site with an equally high profile for everyone in America to go look at, at will, it would go a long way to killing much of this, IMO. It's the fact, as you note, it's treated like a 'topic which shall not be named' by the very people it's about that feeds the fire and keeps it burning.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by doryinaz
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 

all by the same bunch of crooks who engineered it, in the first place.....i truly hope zullo gets this out there....there is still power in numbers....i have to keep the faith....we all should


So basically, any evidence that doesn't display what you want it to...and any legal proceeding that doesn't come out how you demand it be isn't valid? That isn't a couple cases with a couple judges. Thats over 200 of them, all over the nation with 25 at Supreme Court level, for goodness sakes.

All this deception ..for what? So a fairly average (at best) President could get to office ..and what? Piss everyone off enough to hunt for this MASSIVE achilles heal some seem to hang on to believing he has?

Obama is half White, Half Black. He has humble backgrounds and nothing really special or remarkable about anything in his life to suggest what he's become at this point with the Presidency. I really DO NOT like him, but I DO have to respect him just a bit for the sheer tenacity and ruthlessness it's taken to get where he is.

Yet...you would suggest this is all a sham? Why? What possible gain is there?? To the "King Makers" Obama is a dime a dozen and a buck buys ya a hundred more for a bonus. I mean, really, at the time his ascension to power began..LONG before the nation heard his name..he was no one special to so many others TPTB could have chosen. If he has SUCH a terrible secret that would legally disqualify him outright...Why would those powerful and intelligent men have backed him from the start?

This whole thing really doesn't even pass the logic test at this point. Maybe it did in 2008? SO much hadn't been released for original documents or evidence at that point. Most came out in 2010. Now though? It's just absurd.


Could you imagine what would happen if Obama was arrested and removed as President? I am sure a certain demo-graph that has been encouraged to be as ignorant and bigoted to every other race of Americans, would riot. Probably worse then the riots of the early 90's. You have to understand the so called PTB, Mr. Obama and even Attorney General Holder, hate African Americans(ask around, look around what black, non African American's think of African American's.).

I know African Americans perception of race is messed up from their time in the South, but the whole "black/white" thing, is just a southern construct. Heck, in the area of Pennsylvania I live in, the concept of "white" didn't exist until a mass influx of Hispanics. It is funny to see anglo's talk of this white bs, but I digress.

Back to what the point is, a new system of slavery is being set up(prison labor system), now all that it needs is a group of people no one else cares about since the Drug war is coming to a close. Over the years I have consistently warned that this was in the works. Over the years African American individuals have walked head first to this moment. All the signs are there for anyone to see.

www.altnews.info...
www.censusscope.org...
www.censusscope.org...
www.censusscope.org...

I suppose my role in this matter is done. If people are too stupid to get out of the way of history, then it isn't my concern. Or perhaps I am seeing connections where no connection exists? Either way the perfect scapegoat, is a scapegoat that is made to be guilty of all the things they will be accused of.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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What's he hiding? I can't acces your birth certificate. I can't access your school records. As a US citizen Obama is afforded all the same rights to privacy as you and me. Also, what makes you think I voted for him?


"Supposedly" you can... The last I checked, the file was still there and my system automatically downloaded the file. This was right after the big press announcement and this link was supposed to be the same document that the press had been given. Looks just like the one in the background on Oprah. In my earlier post the entire link doesn't display, so here is what it looks like when not an embedded link:
"http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf"

You can see if it is still available by clicking this (same link but embedded):
www.whitehouse.gov...

I noticed a while back that they've changed the image on the blog to a Flash file. If you want to check out the page, the link is:
"http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate"

You can cut & paste or just click:
www.whitehouse.gov...



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by KingErik
 


Understand what you are saying..but spreading the same lies over and over should result it some type of consequence from ATS.

ATS has placed threads in the hoax bin with less evidence proving it was false...everything the birthers say can be disputed with facts and by experts....at least put the threads where they belong...HOAX BIN.


You are one of those guys I was talking about that wouldn't get off their @ss & walk 3 G*d D@mned blocks if somebody told you Bigfoot was over there sitting against a tree. Your smug attitude concerning what is fact or fiction should NOT give you the power to deem a controversy a hoax simply because, "Everybody KNOWS there's no such thing as Bigfoot."

Watch the Oprah clip. It's on a huge screen behind them!!! There may be a hoax involved here but the crappy LFBC isn't it.
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posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by fishy6
Actually I think the entire birther issue was concocted as a red herring to obscure the obvious.

The man is a Socialist/fascist/communist plant, whichever of the ISM's you want to call him, but I even have my doubts he is really Obama/Barry Sorento.

I think he is a totally different person, a look alike subversive, or either he was groomed as a communist plant for the whitehouse to destroy democracy in America from the inside.

Well birther has its issues which he is getting around. Proven communist in the whitehouse trying to dismantle America from the inside is an entirely different story and if that had come out in full he never would have won/stolen the 2nd term.


.... You haven't met many hard lefties, have you? I didn't think so...



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by KingErik
 


Understand what you are saying..but spreading the same lies over and over should result it some type of consequence from ATS.


Man..the government lies. The people lie. Lies are not hoaxes. They are propaganda. They have a goal.

Personally, I believe the whole birther issue was started by Obama supporters, and Sheriff Arpaio is working for Obama. I believe this because it is so ridiculous, that no right minded person would be bothering with this issue.

But, it does have an effect. An important one. It takes everybody's attention off of what Obama might have actually done in his lifetime, that might be crooked, and for which he might be reasonably be blamed for, and flooded the alt news sources with an event before he became a responsible human being.

Just think. If they have to go all the way back, to the man's birth, to find something to remove him from office, then the rest of his life must be squeaky clean.

That's the problem I have with this whole issue. It makes Obama look super duper good.

Who would want to build up his image? Cant' they find something relevant, that he did, in his 20s or 30s, or 40s, anything at all, that they could point to instead?

I mean, when Bill Clinton came into the White House, he was plagued with all sorts of corruption issues that he or his close associates were supposed to have been "recently" involved in. How come Obama is so clean?

That's the problem with the birthers, it makes the opposition look desperate, and diabolical in their obvious attempt to spin evil into the man's garments, and all their followers, hanging on to a thread, in the hope, that by some miracle, something in this birther story might be true, the holy grail, and they'd be able to remove Obama without finding anything wrong with the guy himself.







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